Post-Great War World: OOC Discussion

Syrixia

Syrixia

The one, the true, the great.
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Syrixia
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So, following Kalti's communicate I decided to post this:

Greetings, honorable Forum d'Entesa of Kalti.

As we have said in the past, Nebula has made errors that helped lead to this war, such as the puppetry of North Cronaal and its various expansionist operations. However, we cannot deny Syrixia has also made errors as well, such as its lack of contact with NPTO and its quick intervention wherever Nebula struck. Both sides now have a sound obligation to make sure such a terrifying conflict never happens again. While we are not sure of the future intentions of Nebula, Syrixia is ready and willing to help. In the post-war world, it is vital this never happens again. We have seen progress already. The Faibuaizu Alliance failed, or possibly downright refused to help Nebula during the War. The Helmebaine Alliance, as well, is now working on reforms based on the Just War Theory. But this quest transcends the alliances and organizations present on Eras. Syrixia is interested in negotiations for the creation of a single united world tribunal of nations, of which all nations are a part of. This tribunal would be a forum to discuss and do diplomacy, to ensure war never occurs again. The boundaries between organizations and alliances have split the world. There is exclusion. There is war. Now, with the Auburn Festival in full swing, what better time to found this? The North Pacific Treaty Organization, the Democratic Union, the Faibuaizu and Helmebaine Alliances; they split the world. We must unite! We must create a World Assembly. Only then will the quest be complete.

~Alfred Nursson
Prime Minister of Syrixia
This is the OOC discussion for that proposal. Is it feasible? Do you think we can all make it work? General thoughts?

And....go!
 
Syrixia, the Forum d'Entesa isn't of Kalti, they are one of two governmental bodies that oversees the Confederation and makes sure it runs smoothly (sure, they are located in Kalti but they do also have headquarters in the other two nations). Only three of the members are from Kalti... the other six are from Tir na Andalucia and Callaici.

Anyways, I've always been of the mindset that we do need a tribunal of sorts outside the alliances for war crimes (could be a fun role play) but I'm not too sure how it'd be set up without stepping on the toes of the already established organizations.
 
It shouldn't be attached to the NPTO. We should abolish both Alliances, the NPTO, and the DU. They split us. We need unity. Then and only then will peace be at hand. Any other idea will not provide true, full peace.
 
The NPTO serves a function (albeit with many failings) in being a quasi-parallel to the real world NATO. The Democratic Union is a little more limited in scope since the name implies that the nation's that are a part of it are all democratic in nature which could end up excluding some nations (can be re-structured though).
 
That's just it, Kalti. The reason the IRL world is flawed is because the world is split between the US and China, and their respective allies, even though they're all in the UN. If we had a body that emulated the UN and simultaneously prohibited formal alliances and organizations such as Helmebaine, Faibuaizu, the DU and the NPTO, think of the peace that will ensue.
 
Let's be serious, peace is never going to be a thing. It'd last about 3 days before you or Nebula or Cronaal or whoever had some great idea and it all blew up again.

Which is fine, whatever. There already a basic World Assembly in terms of the DU, which could be retrofitted to become something more worthwhile than it is right now.
 
Nierr:
Let's be serious, peace is never going to be a thing. It'd last about 3 days before you or Nebula or Cronaal or whoever had some great idea and it all blew up again.

Which is fine, whatever. There already a basic World Assembly in terms of the DU, which could be retrofitted to become something more worthwhile than it is right now.
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Funny you didn't say me.
 
For whatever reason you come under the radar. But sure, Kannex as well.

In fact, its all Kannex's fault. Blame him.
 
I just blamed Syrixia, Kannex, Cronnal and Nebula. And I agree, peace would work for a time but one of the mentioned four would get restless and launch a missile out of sheer boredom which would lead into yet another war.
 
Nierr's idea makes sense. Maybe we could have the DU assimilate the other organizations and alliances, wipe its administration, have new elections and rebrand it as the World Assembly?

What do you guys think? My original idea or my new idea? Or something else?

EDIT: PS, Kalti, no. I don't plan to. Like, ever again. From a purely OOC standpoint, we've had too much conflict RP. It's getting boring.
 
The DU doesn't need to absorb the other organisations, NATO etc exist outside of the UN, after all. They can (and you could make an argument that they should) continue whilst their members are also part of the DU.
 
At the very least, the DU and NPTO need to unite and the two Alliances need to make a non-aggression pact.
 
Ha. No. NPTO will not unite with the DU. Non-aggression pact is fine with me, but I'm not making myself a part of the Democratic Union.
 
Syrixia:
That's just it, Kalti. The reason the IRL world is flawed is because the world is split between the US and China, and their respective allies, even though they're all in the UN. If we had a body that emulated the UN and simultaneously prohibited formal alliances and organizations such as Helmebaine, Faibuaizu, the DU and the NPTO, think of the peace that will ensue.
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No peace would ensue. Jealousy, warfare, and other kinds of crime are inherent in the human condition. Nations would align themselves with each other and have militaries without formal alliances or with them

This world-wide organization you speak of, would we all be compelled to join? Most nations would only wish to align themselves with nations that share their ideals. Alliances, if anything, are a deterrent.

You seem to think that all people are willing to hold hands and sing km-bay-ya, without defending their own interest. This is a political simulation game. As such, it is inherently adversarial, messy, and un-peaceful.
 
The DU is an international organization for the protection and advancement of democracy, not quixotic peace bevy.
 
The Spokesman of Eumenor:
Kannex:
Well, you can't blame Syrixia the next time a war breaks out if you shoot down his proposal.
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I see no reason why an expanded and reformed DU couldn't fit this purpose.
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I do think we should expand and reform the DU. The NPTO was supposed to be a NATO, but it has gone too far, and the Faibuaizu and Helmebaine have filled the purpose I envisioned for the NPTO. The DU should be expanded, I agree, but as for the NPTO, I believe it has failed its intended purpose and has gone too far. I think it should be abolished, and its non-DU members offered membership in the DU.

I also think we should rename the DU. It implies a democracies-only rule is enforced in the organization. I propose we rename it to either the World Assembly or the Union of Nations.
 
Sytarenne:
welp. lost all hope for starting that "organization I mentioned earlier unless this doesn't happen
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I still don't know what your organization would do as you have given no details. If I (and others) knew, it would help this discussion greatly.

Anyways, as plembobria already said... the DU is for the protection and advancement of democracy. That's all well and good and should stay that way. While it has become stagnant lately, it can be easily reformed and brought back. Onto the NPTO, I don't think we should abolish it. The NPTO, the Helmebaine and the Faibuaizu all serve a particular purpose... that of military alliances. Why not roll all three into one organization that is a common military defense alliance? From that, I'm still putting forward my idea of a North Pacific version of the Geneva Conventions or rules of war and how to deal with the ensuing consequences.
 
Syrixia:
The Spokesman of Eumenor:
Kannex:
Well, you can't blame Syrixia the next time a war breaks out if you shoot down his proposal.
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I see no reason why an expanded and reformed DU couldn't fit this purpose.
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I do think we should expand and reform the DU. The NPTO was supposed to be a NATO, but it has gone too far, and the Faibuaizu and Helmebaine have filled the purpose I envisioned for the NPTO. The DU should be expanded, I agree, but as for the NPTO, I believe it has failed its intended purpose and has gone too far. I think it should be abolished, and its non-DU members offered membership in the DU.

I also think we should rename the DU. It implies a democracies-only rule is enforced in the organization. I propose we rename it to either the World Assembly or the Union of Nations.
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I agree. An expanded DU would make the NPTO redundant.
 
Kalti:
Why not roll all three into one organization that is a common military defense alliance?
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Against what? Aliens?

EDIT: I don't know what purpose the Febuaizu serves, but the Helmebaine Alliance was originally meant to counteract against the weight of the former, as well as defend against Nebula. A peaceable worldwide assembly of nations is more achievable and realistic than a worldwide defensive alliance, unless if there is some sort of common enemy.
 
plembobria:
The DU is an international organization for the protection and advancement of democracy, not quixotic peace bevy.
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I wouldn't call peace itself quixotic. The EU is doing a good job at not plunging Europe into war, for example.
 
Syrixia:
The Spokesman of Eumenor:
Kannex:
Well, you can't blame Syrixia the next time a war breaks out if you shoot down his proposal.
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I see no reason why an expanded and reformed DU couldn't fit this purpose.
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I do think we should expand and reform the DU. The NPTO was supposed to be a NATO, but it has gone too far, and the Faibuaizu and Helmebaine have filled the purpose I envisioned for the NPTO. The DU should be expanded, I agree, but as for the NPTO, I believe it has failed its intended purpose and has gone too far. I think it should be abolished, and its non-DU members offered membership in the DU.

I also think we should rename the DU. It implies a democracies-only rule is enforced in the organization. I propose we rename it to either the World Assembly or the Union of Nations.
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That rule is enforced.
 
Kalti:
Kannex:
Kalti:
Why not roll all three into one organization that is a common military defense alliance?
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Against what? Aliens?
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Non-members? Rogue nations? Mad leaders?
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You mean Naizarre? I think one or two Helmbaine/Febuaizu powers would take it out. Añola, any power could take out. Don't forget the Helmebaine and the Febuaizu still mistrust each other, and Nebula is still hostile to peace in the region.
 
Syrixia:
plembobria:
The DU is an international organization for the protection and advancement of democracy, not quixotic peace bevy.
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I wouldn't call peace itself quixotic. The EU is doing a good job at not plunging Europe into war, for example.
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Well, really the Common Market and NATO deserve that credit.
 
Kalti:
Sytarenne:
welp. lost all hope for starting that "organization I mentioned earlier unless this doesn't happen
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I still don't know what your organization would do as you have given no details. If I (and others) knew, it would help this discussion greatly.

Anyways, as plembobria already said... the DU is for the protection and advancement of democracy. That's all well and good and should stay that way. While it has become stagnant lately, it can be easily reformed and brought back. Onto the NPTO, I don't think we should abolish it. The NPTO, the Helmebaine and the Faibuaizu all serve a particular purpose... that of military alliances. Why not roll all three into one organization that is a common military defense alliance? From that, I'm still putting forward my idea of a North Pacific version of the Geneva Conventions or rules of war and how to deal with the ensuing consequences.
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I actually like this idea. We could combine the NPTO, Faibuaizu and Helmebaine like you said. We can call it the Organization of North Pacific Nations, or ONPN.
 
Syrixia:
I do think we should expand and reform the DU. The NPTO was supposed to be a NATO, but it has gone too far, and the Faibuaizu and Helmebaine have filled the purpose I envisioned for the NPTO. The DU should be expanded, I agree, but as for the NPTO, I believe it has failed its intended purpose and has gone too far. I think it should be abolished, and its non-DU members offered membership in the DU.

I also think we should rename the DU. It implies a democracies-only rule is enforced in the organization. I propose we rename it to either the World Assembly or the Union of Nations.
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Let me stop you there. NPTO was never supposed to even rival the DU. I messaged four members, including you, about creating an entente, similar to that of the G8. I even called what would further become NPTO as "Entente of Five" or "E5". You specifically came to me with the name and flag, and told me you'd even write the OP. It sounded like a pretty good name for the organization, so I chose it. For someone so concerned about it from the beginning, you seem to be very anti-NPTO.

I'll say it once, and I'll say it again. I'm not joining the Democratic Union. I don't believe it is an organization for my country, and I will not have Guslantis in its roster. Never.
 
I still don't know what your organization would do as you have given no details. If I (and others) knew, it would help this discussion greatly.
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The title explains it all. Just add a sprinkling of the 'UN' onto it to.
 
Nierr:
Kannex:
Kalti:
Kannex:
Kalti:
Why not roll all three into one organization that is a common military defense alliance?
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Against what? Aliens?
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Non-members? Rogue nations? Mad leaders?
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You mean Naizarre? I think one or two Helmbaine/Febuaizu powers would take it out.
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This is amusing.
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I'd probably come to your aid just to spite Syrixia, Kannex and Nebula.

Anyways, Bootsie does have a point... Syrixia, weren't you one of the key people behind the NPTO? Why so bitter and against it now?
 
Kalti:
Nierr:
Kannex:
Kalti:
Kannex:
Kalti:
Why not roll all three into one organization that is a common military defense alliance?
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Against what? Aliens?
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Non-members? Rogue nations? Mad leaders?
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You mean Naizarre? I think one or two Helmbaine/Febuaizu powers would take it out.
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This is amusing.
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I'd probably come to your aid just to spite Syrixia, Kannex and Nebula.

Anyways, Bootsie does have a point... Syrixia, weren't you one of the key people behind the NPTO? Why so bitter and against it now?
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Suspension.
 
Who's being bitter? Boots, if you don't want to join the DU, then don't.

The NPTO isn't fulfilling its purpose. It's unneeded.
 
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