Justice in The North Pacific

The Spokesman of Eumenor

The Spokesman of Eumenor

TNPer
Greetings, nations of TNP.
With the growth of roleplay, and specifically conflict roleplay, naturally so grows the rate of international atrocities. What we really need is some solid justice system, to deal with human-rights abuses, war crimes, and immoral invasions, and to help monitor the alliance systems and provide a clear verdict on when a nation has stepped over the line.
My questions: do we need a new in character roleplay court? Should it stand alone, or be attached to the DU or NPTO? Or is this role already filled by existing organisations?
I look forward to hearing your thoughts.
 
The DU was supposed to be like a UN, from what I recall. But it stumbled a bit and other nations made other alliances. I think with some renewed effort it could get back onto that track.

I think courts are better tied to alliances. We could probably draft something up if you like Eumenor. I think a solid proposal is easier to take too people.

The other way it could work would be having signatories who agree to be bound to the International Criminal Court. Those who are agree to hand over criminals and to sanction nations who violate international laws.. But then again.. What are these laws? Who writes them?

I think it is best left to alliances.
 
We really shouldn't have a UN, but I like the idea of an international court attached to the DU.
 
For a real life comparison, we could do something similar to the Geneva Conventions. Not so much a new organization but a set of treatises, conventions and protocols that the Democratic Union, the North Pacific Treaty Organization, the Helmebaine Alliance and the Faibuaizu Alliance can turn to when conflicts arise.

And Nebula, I think the DU and NPTO are quasi-UN style organizations already.
 
I'm not sure the last two alliances really fit in here :P

Also it may be weird to have the same treaties binding multiple organisations together. The NPTO should have just stayed as part of the DU IMHO.
 
Kalti:
And Nebula, I think the DU and NPTO are quasi-UN style organizations already.
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No, they're more like the League of Nations: hardly any real power, and lacking the membership of all sovereign states.
 
When the DU was the main alliance, it had nearly all of the active Rpers in it. But then people who sought their own prestige founded their own alliances, rather than seek the leadership of the DU..... and then other nations went off and started bombing the shit out of each other :P

I think it is unlikely that we would find ourselves in a situation where all nations would be members of one organisation.. or even more than half would be.. certainly not again.
 
Give it a day or two.. It will be busy again. You'll have to take my word for it..

But again the problem is that there hasn't been nations joining it, instead going for ones that allow them to indiscriminately bomb nations. So the community also needs to participate in the organisations if they want them to work.
 
Courts have to be tagged along to organizations not alliances. The way the region is set up, not much harm can exist from ignoring the courts of one alliance, you could theoretically just jump to another alliance because of just how fragmented it is. For courts to function, you need one politically entity to exist and for the vast majority of people to adhere to that entity. The DU seems like the best possible option for that, however as noted it seems rather inactive.
 
May I take a moment to point out that if you're not allowed to indiscriminately bomb other nations things get boring really fast?
 
Cronaal:
The DU Application system relies on a non-existant subforum.
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Just looks like a thread needs updating, or a subforum put back in the right place after the forum consolidation. Pretty easy fix, I'd suggest messaging the chairman so that he is aware and so that it can be fixed.

Nebula:
May I take a moment to point out that if you're not allowed to indiscriminately bomb other nations things get boring really fast?
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I think that nearly every role player would disagree that indiscriminate bombing is a requirement for enjoyable role play.
 
mcmasterdonia:
Cronaal:
The DU Application system relies on a non-existant subforum.
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Just looks like a thread needs updating, or a subforum put back in the right place after the forum consolidation. Pretty easy fix, I'd suggest messaging the chairman so that he is aware and so that it can be fixed.
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hm.
 
The DU allows only for democratic nations -- you're not going to get the participation of non-democratic nations. I suggest this court be moved to the NPTO.

In addition, I believe only those who subject themselves to this court should be tried under it.
 
Kannex:
The DU allows only for democratic nations -- you're not going to get the participation of non-democratic nations. I suggest this court be moved to the NPTO.

In addition, I believe only those who subject themselves to this court should be tried under it.
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Moved? I propose the NPTO start its own court. Each organization has its own rules, which should be tried according to its own court.
 
I like Kalti's idea of a Geneva Conventions. Perhaps they could be discussed at the Auburn Festival, on Day 2?
 
I was under the impression that we already had Geneva Conventions; otherwise Nebula would have fired upon our medics already.
 
Kannex:
I was under the impression that we already had Geneva Conventions; otherwise Nebula would have fired upon our medics already.
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We do have WA law regarding those things. Someone should comb through the resolutions and find the ones relevant to war.

EDIT: This topic contains all GA resolutions passed, and can be searched, unlike the official WA archives.

Although the WA has no IC enforcement arm, we can still condemn violations ICly.
 
Thomas Insaniac:
Courts have to be tagged along to organizations not alliances. The way the region is set up, not much harm can exist from ignoring the courts of one alliance, you could theoretically just jump to another alliance because of just how fragmented it is. For courts to function, you need one politically entity to exist and for the vast majority of people to adhere to that entity. The DU seems like the best possible option for that, however as noted it seems rather inactive.
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This is a good point. I worry that the region is so fragmented politically there is nothing to stop nations from harboring their war criminals indefinitely anyway; any organization has to be imbued with a lot of power - not necessarily military power, but the faith and backup of each member nation even when it's inconvenient for them.
 
Kannex:
I was under the impression that we already had Geneva Conventions; otherwise Nebula would have fired upon our medics already.
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Through the World Assembly on the NS site, yes. But I was thinking of doing something like it here within The North Pacific site and special to the region.
 
Anyways, I'll throw together a draft of my idea for a TNP version of the Geneva Conventions and post it later today.
 
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