Sigh.
I didn't want to post here, but after reading the comments here, it appears that I have to defend myself and other potential MS RPers from several implied comments, and that I have to clarify what I said in my email to Eumenor. I also didn't want to make Eumenor act as my mouthpeice ("I'm not an owl!"). So.
Sorry about posting in a month-old thread, but I've been busy over the last month dealing with many RL issues. At the moment, I'm moving, so it may take a while for me to respond to any replied to this post.
I'd like to close by stating a few more things:
~[me]
I didn't want to post here, but after reading the comments here, it appears that I have to defend myself and other potential MS RPers from several implied comments, and that I have to clarify what I said in my email to Eumenor. I also didn't want to make Eumenor act as my mouthpeice ("I'm not an owl!"). So.
Sorry about posting in a month-old thread, but I've been busy over the last month dealing with many RL issues. At the moment, I'm moving, so it may take a while for me to respond to any replied to this post.
I created Darcania specifically to test how dragons could/would fit in the modern world. I even removed every fantasy trope from dragons (excluding the fact that they are dragons) to make them balanced, so as to prevent godmodding. I don't know where you got this idea from, but if you have examples, you can feel free to quote them.Nierr:
Sorry, but I have never done that. 2) I was never told that; in fact, due to posts by yourself (below) and Lord Lore (on IRC), it appeared that it was a tool we could use. If I shouldn't have threatened null canon, I really should have been told. 3) Mods never declared null canon, but it was "softly" threatened (by that I mean that others were invited to ignore the posts, which effectively gave the others the power to null canon those posts) three times. Once by you yourself and twice by me under instruction from Lord Lore: http://forum.thenorthpacific.org/single/?p=8231181&t=7389377, http://forum.thenorthpacific.org/single/?p=8239892&t=7408950, http://forum.thenorthpacific.org/single/?p=8239906&t=7408950.Nierr:
Certainly, but blindly null canoning because you can't accept differences in your head canon, even once, does call one's RPing skill into question.Nierr:
My suggested solution would take care of that just fine. I'm not talking about blanket approval to MS. Mine was perfectly well thought-out.Nierr:
Except you are. Sure, single nations' canon is up to them, but if they want to be part of the canon of the TNP world as a whole (which needs to be at least somewhat regulated so that, for example, a nuclear holocaust doesn't force a full recreation of TNP's world), there are simply some things that they have to accept. For example, they can't just say Syrixia doesn't exist and ignore any defensive pacts, etc. that involve Syrixia. The nation can ignore them, but in cases like defensive pacts, they need to at least acknowledge them and perhaps have a short OOC conversation to determine how to deal with that.Nierr:
Except you opened up everybody to just throw null canon out whenever they want to MS RPers, especially to those like me you relegated as second-class. You gave everyone the power to just null canon everything that any non-human nations do, and there will always be someone who will take advantage of that for as long as you allow it.Nierr:
Again, I'm not talking about blanket approval. You especially need to re-read what I said.Kannex:
Actually, I was. Anything I do would have no effect on the world of TNP because I was relegated to second-class purely due to my MS status, no matter how thought out my multi-species was. Sure, a seperate thread would be better than nothing, but nothing my nation does would ever impact the world of TNP. As well, I created Darcania for a specific purpose, which I stated above but will repeat here: I created Darcania specifically to test how dragons could/would fit in the modern world. I even removed every fantasy trope from dragons (excluding the fact that they are dragons) to make them balanced, so as to prevent godmodding.Kannex:
Of course you didn't! That would, for one, be stupid and would be resolved by my suggested solution (which you apparently didn't read), and there's nothing forcing you to be multi-species.Kannex:
Nobody is. I'm simply fighting for my own and others MS RPers' nations' ability to exist. If you want to ignore me, feel free, but you can't just flat out null canon me due to the reasons I listed above.Kannex:
SillyString already provided a counterargument in the following post, so I'll leave this alone, since I would've said the same.Kannex:
Again, I'm not. I want the ability to have my nation exist, not for me (since this affair has shown how ineffective Nierr is and how much hate has been directed at me/my nation behind closed doors, so there's no way I'm coming back anytime in the next few years), but for others who thought out their species and made sure it was balanced and culturally distinct, and thus perfectly acceptable and even interesting. I know, I'll phrase it like this: You don't like having canon forced on you? Then don't force it on me!Kannex:
Thank you! I respect you so much more than I already had previously (which was already significant)!SillyString:
I'd like to close by stating a few more things:
- I convinced two people who were known to be against multi-species (Bootsie, as evidenced by his adamant argument against in the convention, and Eumenor, as evidenced by him calling out my dragons as ridiculous, though I'm unsure of his stance on human-like MS at the time) to RP with me so I could prove myself. They were convinced (because, hey, my dragons were well thought-out!) and quickly became my two best friends on the forums. Not to degrade other friendships, of course; I simply ended up liking them the most.
- By giving others the power to declare MS nations null canon, it can adversely affect other nations who aren't multi-species. For example, declaring Darcania null canon due to its dragons would adversely affect Bootsie since Darcania had very close relations to Bootsie. This is the reason why I insisted that Bootsie not keep the Sunft clan; I didn't want people declaring Guslantis null canon or ignoring what could/would have become a large part of the canon of Guslantis.
- Frankly, this whole argument can be over if the Multi-Species tag was removed and Nierr and the rest stopped this whole charade that MS RPers aren't second-class RPers (when they are) and just flat out banned multi-species. So long as people agree to that, that's fine. There are plenty of human-only regions. I'd be against it since TNP is the largest region, and will likely present arguments for keeping multi-species fully available so long as it's thought-out (again, please read the OP for Eumenor's quote of my suggested solution, which of course can be fixed if there are issues), but it's better to be outright banned than blindsided and stabbed in the back after being invited in.
~[me]
