The Joint Colonization Initiative- OOC

It would be interesting later to hear some sort of envi policy, but NOT make it into some driving force and all the nations only do envi policy.
 
Syrixia:
Maybe when we arrive and establish the colony, the natives grow interested in us like the Native Americans did when the Pilgrims arrived and would establish trade with us. However, one renegade group of natives would act as a terrorist group by stealing and learning how to operate some of our weapons. They would deal the first strike, by burning one of the colonial cities to the ground, and the standoff/conflict would begin. The other natives would either remain neutral or back us.
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How would natives who've just learnt how to used modern weapons be able to destroy a city.
 
I know that even my police forces could wipe out a whole tribe of people you'd describing.
 
They could burn it. With torches n' stuff. And then shoot down people.

EDIT: Okay, maybe they won't destroy a city. So how'd they start the "war"?
 
They probably want to destroy Western civilization. Let's say they believe in an extreme version of Mezyanism, a conreligion I made in a past region. It's aggressively monotheistic and consists of a God with the seven warrior angels of Justice/War, Love/Passion, Mercy/Faith, Health/Fortune, Wisdom/Knowledge, Fertility/Wealth, and Life/Death.

Or we could just do a Christian or Islamic extremist group.

EDIT: The natives would probably have used modern technology before. There's no way they would be this isolated.
 
Kannex:
They probably want to destroy Western civilization.
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That's probably a good enough explanation, and I like the religion you're setting up here for them. However, if they used modern weapons, wouldn't they probably have a nation too?
 
Syrixia:
Kannex:
They probably want to destroy Western civilization.
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That's probably a good enough explanation, and I like the religion you're setting up here for them. However, if they used modern weapons, wouldn't they probably have a nation too?
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Yeah. Exactly.
 
As the only nation to currently have a claim on the new continents (due to a longstanding PM approval), I am against this idea to some extent. While I am not entirely against nation's having new colonies, I feel that we should leave the land open and free to new nations that wish to claim a spot on the TNP map. Having said that, a joint-colonization effort could work if done correctly and limited in scope and scale to not dwarf the entirety of the new continents.

To Nierr (as the cartographer) and those involved in this thread, what do you think of the following idea:
Let Sadakoyama have his research colony (final size left up to him and the cartography team). Utilize the island directly to the east as a joint-colonization effort between a few nations and structure it in a similar manner to how Haiti / Dominican Republic (and to an extent Antarctica) are. Each involved nation gets a small portion of the island to govern as they see fit (be it in their dealings with natives, with each other, etc.).
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Edit: I want to note that Andalucia's population are natives to their continent and are perfectly fine with using modern day weaponry and technology. While their civilization as a whole is a few decades behind Kalti and Callaici (the other two portions of the Confederation), they are in no way so far behind the times so as to be totally defenseless. Also of note, while the Andalucians had access to modern day weapons and tech, that doesn't necessarily mean they had the drive or motivation to create their own nation (until the Kaltians came along).
 
If each nation colonizing the joint-colony had its own part of the colony, that would make it more like a group of small colonies on the island instead of a joint one. Antarctica is structured more like an international territory where any nation can just build a base and use it. That's what I'd like to see on the joint colony. There's a big island, and we're all colonizing it, so go and build your towns anywhere on it. It's joint-controlled, and nations can just start building towns there.

And since I know someone will ask, if an area is disputed, the loose assembly of Initiative nations will be sure to solve it.
 
Syrixia:
If each nation colonizing the joint-colony had its own part of the colony, that would make it more like a group of small colonies on the island instead of a joint one. Antarctica is structured more like an international territory where any nation can just build a base and use it. That's what I'd like to see on the joint colony. There's a big island, and we're all colonizing it, so go and build your towns anywhere on it. It's joint-controlled, and nations can just start building towns there.

And since I know someone will ask, if an area is disputed, the loose assembly of Initiative nations will be sure to solve it.
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True, but you still get my general meaning. Utilizing just that one island for a joint colonization effort will probably be more likable to Nierr than trying to claim swaths of one of the new continents.
 
Alright. So say they have modern weapons and stuff, but they don't have a nation cus people didn't arrive kinda like how it went in TnA for Kalti. Then, we arrive and they go ballistic, launching attacks n' stuff and trying to establish the Mezyanist State.

Footnote: That wasn't a typo. The Mezyanist State will be what they want their country to be called. Kinda like the Islamic State.
 
So you are saying you just want to steal land from a civilization? If it was realistic by now someone would've stopped you.
 
Syrixia:
they don't have a nation
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This. There's nothing to steal from, and the Mezyanists would reside outside of the island. They'd see our ships pass and head for the island, though, so they'd know to attack.
 
Keep in mind a few things:
- Having the natives go ballistic is fine, make sure you RP them being very war like amongst each other and hostile to outsiders
- I would go with the Mezyanist State already existing in some form on the island. The reason the natives in Andalucia never set up a proper state was due to the hostile native groups. They did have a tribal state of their own but it never had international recognition until Kalti came along.
- If you want, you may use Andalucia as a base of operations for the joint colonization effort. If you do, let me know and I'll RP that part
 
Kalti:
Keep in mind a few things:
- Having the natives go ballistic is fine, make sure you RP them being very war like amongst each other and hostile to outsiders
- I would go with the Mezyanist State already existing in some form on the island. The reason the natives in Andalucia never set up a proper state was due to the hostile native groups. They did have a tribal state of their own but it never had international recognition until Kalti came along.
- If you want, you may use Andalucia as a base of operations for the joint colonization effort. If you do, let me know and I'll RP that part
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1. That's the plan.

2. Then it would make it seem as if we were stealing. They should be from the area just to the east (or west) of the island, and should attack when they see our ships pass. Possibly.

3. Nah. Andalucia is far from the island; farther than the old continents themselves. But thanks for offering.
 
Sytarenne:
So you are saying you just want to steal land from a civilization? If it was realistic by now someone would've stopped you.
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I am here posting in this thread for the very reason you just mentioned... realism. As I have Tir na Andalucia, that role-play scenario involved natives to a large extent. I'm giving my thoughts and inputs to make sure that the RP makes sense and doesn't go too far overboard in suspension of disbelief.
 
Syrixia:
2. Then it would make it seem as if we were stealing. They should be from the area just to the east (or west) of the island, and should attack when they see our ships pass. Possibly.
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Have the natives be from the East (next landmass over). As they are a warlike people, they see that you are invading their spiritual space and decide to invade the island to prevent you from settling there. That would give you a motivation on why the natives attack and why the colonist nations need to step in to defend their settlers.
 
@Kalti: That sounds great! So, are we all good? Or does anyone else have any more thoughts?

@Kannex: Not really. They're from the east. Perhaps they'd assume we were gonna use the island to attack THEM, when infact that was completely wrong?
 
Syrixia:
Antarctica is structured more like an international territory where any nation can just build a base and use it.
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As a note, Antarctica isn't structured like that at all. There are just 7 (8 counting Norway's 2) official claims to Antarctica and 3 overlapping claims (between Chile, Argentina and the United Kingdom). Other nations - such as Italy - for example, have in the past set up science posts (remember, it is illegal to establish military bases on Antarctica per the Antarctica Treaty) but this was with the permission of the relevant claimants.

It is not a free-for-all where any nation can just build a base.
 
Kannex:
Well, we are stealing their sovereignty.
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To an extent. The Mezyanist State is to the East and the people view the island as part of their spiritual realm (or whatever reason you want to use). The joint-colonization effort settles on the island, disrupting the spiritual balance that leads the Mezyanist State to invade to throw off the settlers.

Edit: Or as Syrixia said, the Mezyanist people could view the settlement as a preempt to war.
 
Nierr:
Syrixia:
Antarctica is structured more like an international territory where any nation can just build a base and use it.
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As a note, Antarctica isn't structured like that at all. There are just 7 (8 counting Norway's 2) official claims to Antarctica and 3 overlapping claims (between Chile, Argentina and the United Kingdom). Other nations - such as Italy - for example, have in the past set up science posts (remember, it is illegal to establish military bases on Antarctica per the Antarctica Treaty) but this was with the permission of the relevant claimants. It is not a free-for-all where any nation can just build a base.
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The Antarctic Treaty basically made the claims obsolete, saying that "The treaty does not recognize, dispute, nor establish territorial sovereignty claims; no new claims shall be asserted while the treaty is in force."
 
Syrixia:
Nierr:
Syrixia:
Antarctica is structured more like an international territory where any nation can just build a base and use it.
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As a note, Antarctica isn't structured like that at all. There are just 7 (8 counting Norway's 2) official claims to Antarctica and 3 overlapping claims (between Chile, Argentina and the United Kingdom). Other nations - such as Italy - for example, have in the past set up science posts (remember, it is illegal to establish military bases on Antarctica per the Antarctica Treaty) but this was with the permission of the relevant claimants. It is not a free-for-all where any nation can just build a base.
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The Antarctic Treaty basically made the claims obsolete, saying that "The treaty does not recognize, dispute, nor establish territorial sovereignty claims; no new claims shall be asserted while the treaty is in force."
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It doesn't actually say that.

What it says is: "No acts or activities taking place while the present Treaty is in force shall constitute a basis for asserting, supporting or denying a claim to territorial sovereignty in Antarctica. No new claim, or enlargement of an existing claim, to territorial sovereignty shall be asserted while the present Treaty is in force"

Which means it denies new claims (therefore, for example, Russia is prevented by the Treaty from inheriting the claim of the USSR) whilst not approaching claims currently in force.
 
Maybe it doesn't. But still, the joint colony would be structured like that, even if Antarctica itself isn't.
 
A few points:
1) If my claim is too large, no problem. I have a couple of alternate locations in mind a tenth of that size.

2) An area this size without developed nations will be home to hundreds of smaller cultures, not an homogenous group of "natives"

3) After a class in colonial history, I personally find the term "natives" a little offensive. I'm not going to go all PC/SJW about it, but there are other words, like "indigenous" or better yet, come up with a name they call themselves and use that.

4) There is no reason we have to repeat European colonial history. Instead of strong-arming land away from the people there, for instance, one can start out by trying to help them, then role play the increasing tensions as their children start to become dazzled by then new ways. Then find ways to solve them without war.
 
No, indeed, there are many native groups. And that's what I was thinking- some natives would find us and take interest in us/trade with us/become our friends. When the Mezyanists begin to fight us, these natives would either remain neutral or back us.
 
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