The Joint Colonization Initiative- OOC

[Syrixia]

I'd like to start an international initiative to create a large joint colony on the new continents. The colony would be like Antarctica and nations part of its colonization would be free to build cities inside of it, and would collaborate to turn it into a nice place. I'd like to start this right after the Great War ends, so we can:

1. Get started right away

2. Use the Initiative as a symbol of unity and peace, and:

3. EVERYONE PROFITS!


Thoughts?

 

[Sierra]

I think it's a good idea, but I don't think it would work practically. Would we create a joint constitution or every colony would have it's own laws?

 

[Johanness]

I'm trying to move my nation to the new continents. And by the way, by the RP the continents would have always been there, and it's impossible if we could've never noticed them -cough cough- columbus discovering america 1492 -cough cough-

 

[Kannex]

It would take up space which should be for new nations, and the problem is, realistically the continents wouldn't just be empty. Since new players come in, we should assume the continents are simply full of nondescript nations that haven't revealed themselves to us yet, or currently don't have much interest in the world stage.

 

[Johanness]

What if . . . we were actually in 1492 *whole conspiracy theory comes*

 

[Felis]

Would it make economic sense for Cronaal to take part in said colonization?

 

[Syrixia]

I think it's a good idea, but I don't think it would work practically. Would we create a joint constitution or every colony would have it's own laws?

The colony would be a sort of "internationally controlled terra nullius". Only Initiative member states would be allowed to build cities in the colony, and those cities would be subject to whatever laws their mother states set for them.

Spoiler: This is possibly the first draft of what the colony'd look like.

 

[Syrixia]

Would it make economic sense for Cronaal to take part in said colonization?

A reunited Cronaal should be able to participate, especially since it's a joint colony.

And, @Kannex: Realistically there will always be room on the continents as nations keep CTEing. It's like a birth rate death rate thing. There's even room left on the old continents. What new nations would use the new continents probably would number few. Plus, we get to use the joint colony as a peace symbol, we get to RP our interactions with the natives, and, possibly, we get to see how Naizerre reacts if it finds out.

 

[Johanness]

Relax people the continents were made so people who actually cared about the map would get to claim huger countries

 

[Felis]

Hm, sure then. I'll take part, been lacking in fun RPs I can take part in due to my situation.

 

[Johanness]

Uh does anyone actually listen to me

 

[Syrixia]

Hm, sure then. I'll take part, been lacking in fun RPs I can take part in due to my situation.

Great! I'll start this once the story arc ends.

 

[Kannex]

Would it make economic sense for Cronaal to take part in said colonization?

Not to sound rude, but Cronaal just got conquered by a country farther away than Kannex; how are you gonna hold on a piece of land halfway across the world?

Would it make economic sense for Cronaal to take part in said colonization?

A reunited Cronaal should be able to participate, especially since it's a joint colony.

And, @Kannex: Realistically there will always be room on the continents as nations keep CTEing. It's like a birth rate death rate thing. There's even room left on the old continents. What new nations would use the new continents probably would number few. Plus, we get to use the joint colony as a peace symbol, we get to RP our interactions with the natives, and, possibly, we get to see how Naizerre reacts if it finds out.

Eh, granted, there'll still be room, but I'm not very optimistic about a colonization RP.

 

[Felis]

Would it make economic sense for Cronaal to take part in said colonization?

Not to sound rude, but Cronaal just got conquered by a country farther away than Kannex; how are you gonna hold on a piece of land halfway across the world?

Considering factors such as the joint-colonization-shared-land-thingy, Helmebaine and the NPTO I feel it could be possible.

 

[Ceretis]

I would be interested, I do have a piece of the new continent I'm interested in though. This could help to create the springboard, and It'll be a very interesting international community.

 

[Kannex]

God, the NPTO won't lift a finger to stop blatant violation of sovereignty... let's see them pass a resolution to remove sovereignty from some poor natives.

I'm also under the impression that we're in the 21st century era of nation-states, when sovereignty is prized above everything and the age of colonialism and Old Europe-style imperialism is vorbei.

 

[Syrixia]

If it's close enough, we could move the joint colony over to where your place is so you can take part in the creation of the joint colony. Win win, eh?

 

[Felis]

Nicolas Cage, the NPTO won't lift a finger to stop blatant violation of sovereignty... let's see them pass a resolution to remove sovereignty from some poor natives.

I'm also under the impression that we're in the 21st century era of nation-states, when sovereignty is prized above everything and the age of colonialism and Old Europe-style imperialism is vorbei.

Off Topic, I have a God > Nicholas Cage replacer.

On Topic, they probably wouldn't help.

 

[Syrixia]

God, the NPTO won't lift a finger to stop blatant violation of sovereignty... let's see them pass a resolution to remove sovereignty from some poor natives.

I'm also under the impression that we're in the 21st century era of nation-states, when sovereignty is prized above everything and the age of colonialism and Old Europe-style imperialism is vorbei.

That's the very best part. Due to the loose structure of the colony, natives would be allowed to travel wherever, live their lives however, etc. I plan to have the Initiative mandate that cities must only be built on land not already occupied and/or considered sacred by the natives. Really nothing would change sovereigntywise for the natives.

 

[Kannex]

God, the NPTO won't lift a finger to stop blatant violation of sovereignty... let's see them pass a resolution to remove sovereignty from some poor natives.

I'm also under the impression that we're in the 21st century era of nation-states, when sovereignty is prized above everything and the age of colonialism and Old Europe-style imperialism is vorbei.

That's the very best part. Due to the loose structure of the colony, natives would be allowed to travel wherever, live their lives however, etc. I plan to have the Initiative mandate that cities must only be built on land not already occupied and/or considered sacred by the natives. Really nothing would change sovereigntywise for the natives.

You have a very flimsy notion of sovereignty...

 

[Felis]

Nicolas Cage, the NPTO won't lift a finger to stop blatant violation of sovereignty... let's see them pass a resolution to remove sovereignty from some poor natives.

I'm also under the impression that we're in the 21st century era of nation-states, when sovereignty is prized above everything and the age of colonialism and Old Europe-style imperialism is vorbei.

That's the very best part. Due to the loose structure of the colony, natives would be allowed to travel wherever, live their lives however, etc. I plan to have the Initiative mandate that cities must only be built on land not already occupied and/or considered sacred by the natives. Really nothing would change sovereigntywise for the natives.

You have a very flimsy notion of sovereignty...

Let's call it Syrixiavereignty

 

[The Spokesman of Eumenor]

I really feel all this colonisation stuff is just nations wanting to have land overseas almost as an accessory without understanding the implications that has. It's almost never done nowadays, and any exclaves or colonies are at most very small islands. In the modern day, there is no need for overseas territories for the production of goods such as sugar cane and no need for colonies to draw slaves from. In the real world a land grab by any modern power would lead to serious political consequences.

 

[Sierra]

I think it's a good idea, but I don't think it would work practically. Would we create a joint constitution or every colony would have it's own laws?

The colony would be a sort of "internationally controlled terra nullius". Only Initiative member states would be allowed to build cities in the colony, and those cities would be subject to whatever laws their mother states set for them.

Spoiler: This is possibly the first draft of what the colony'd look like.

OK I'll take part!

 

[Kannex]

Eumenor has a point.

 

[Felis]

Eumenor has a point.

 

[Syrixia]

I really feel all this colonisation stuff is just nations wanting to have land overseas almost as an accessory without understanding the implications that has. It's almost never done nowadays, and any exclaves or colonies are at most very small islands. In the modern day, there is no need for overseas territories for the production of goods such as sugar cane and no need for colonies to draw slaves from. In the real world a land grab by any modern power would lead to serious political consequences.

That does make sense. So perhaps colonization wouldn't be one of the best ideas, but...WAIT A MINUTE!

Spoiler: Image can into big!

 

[Syrixia]

I really feel all this colonisation stuff is just nations wanting to have land overseas almost as an accessory without understanding the implications that has. It's almost never done nowadays, and any exclaves or colonies are at most very small islands. In the modern day, there is no need for overseas territories for the production of goods such as sugar cane and no need for colonies to draw slaves from. In the real world a land grab by any modern power would lead to serious political consequences.

That does make sense. So perhaps colonization wouldn't be one of the best ideas, but...WAIT A MINUTE!

Spoiler: Image can into big!

What if we found an area of the new continent, and designated it? Then, we could each create "native nations" with similar structures and technology of the 1600s Native Americans and RP the politics between them! That would be fun.

 

[Kannex]

How about we RP modern imperialism instead, and have some sort of oil war in the new continents, something along the lines of Iraq. And we could have an international terrorist network that flares up the military-industrial complexes of TNP countries.

Or we could do a historic RP set in a time when colonies actually made sense.

 

[Felis]

How about we RP modern imperialism instead, and have some sort of oil war in the new continents, something along the lines of Iraq. And we could have an international terrorist network that flares up the military-industrial complexes of TNP countries.

Or we could do a historic RP set in a time when colonies actually made sense.

War or colonies.

Waaarrr ooorrr coloniiieeessss.

Such a hard decision.

 

[St George]

As a note, colonies on the new continents are going to be given much less freely than they previously were. Thus far the only confirmed is a previous claim by Kalti that was agreed upon a few months back.

A non-state actor setting up a state would be something we could look at allowing (and is an RP that, personally, would interest me), but if you're thinking you can just divvy up even a third of the new land then you will be disappointed.

 

[Kannex]

How about we RP modern imperialism instead, and have some sort of oil war in the new continents, something along the lines of Iraq. And we could have an international terrorist network that flares up the military-industrial complexes of TNP countries.

Or we could do a historic RP set in a time when colonies actually made sense.

War or colonies.

Waaarrr ooorrr coloniiieeessss.

Such a hard decision.

Nein, Terrorismus oder Kolonien!

 

[Syrixia]

How about we RP modern imperialism instead, and have some sort of oil war in the new continents, something along the lines of Iraq. And we could have an international terrorist network that flares up the military-industrial complexes of TNP countries. Or we could do a historic RP set in a time when colonies actually made sense.

I think we've had enough war in the main canon of TNP for now. I like the idea that Nierr started; making a nation based upon the natives and their populations there. That's why I suggested we do the same- only with native nations. That way Kannex and I are satisfied because we get to RP war, and others (and I again) are satisfied because it's not being waged amongst the main nations of TNP on the old continents.

A non-state actor setting up a state

What do you mean by that?

 

[Kannex]

How about we RP modern imperialism instead, and have some sort of oil war in the new continents, something along the lines of Iraq. And we could have an international terrorist network that flares up the military-industrial complexes of TNP countries. Or we could do a historic RP set in a time when colonies actually made sense.

I think we've had enough war in the main canon of TNP for now. I like the idea that Nierr started; making a nation based upon the natives and their populations there. That's why I suggested we do the same- only with native nations. That way Kannex and I are satisfied because we get to RP war, and others (and I again) are satisfied because it's not being waged amongst the main nations of TNP on the old continents.

A non-state actor setting up a state

What do you mean by that?

What makes you think I'm bloodthirsty for war? All of the military actions I've taken make sense from a political point of view.

Nierr means something like the Islamic State, or the Taliban.

 

[St George]

For example, Liberia was set up by an organisation who sent freed slaves there in their tens of thousands. This was, nominally, an American colony but at no point did America actually administer it, instead it was run the American-Liberians who populated it (to the point where it declared independence from America in 1847).

Or, what Kannex said.

 

[Syrixia]

Perhaps an ISIS-like thing would be possible in the new continents.

And hey, what if we made the possible joint colony smaller? Remember that central island in the first draft of the joint colony? We could condense the joint colony to that island.

Now why am I bringing up the joint colony again?

1. Sadakoyama submitted a claim for a colony.

2. We can use the joint colony to fight the ISIS thing.

 

[Kannex]

I'm thinking more about terrorism, because honestly, terrorism and religious extremism has been so important to the 21st century history thus far. Along with climate change, I firmly believe, but no one wants to RP environmental politics...

 

[Syrixia]

So, we could create a joint colony on the island near Sadakoyama's claim and use it to fight a terrorist group. That's what I think we have so far.

But, why would the terrorist group be there again? Where would they be from? Their goals and beliefs?

 

[Felis]

So, we could create a joint colony on the island near Sadakoyama's claim and use it to fight a terrorist group. That's what I think we have so far.

But, why would the terrorist group be there again? Where would they be from? Their goals and beliefs?

A powerful native group wanting superiority over the larger minority might be good.

 

[Johanness]

Its European Colonization of America All over Again

 

[Syrixia]

Maybe when we arrive and establish the colony, the natives grow interested in us like the Native Americans did when the Pilgrims arrived and would establish trade with us. However, one renegade group of natives would act as a terrorist group by stealing and learning how to operate some of our weapons. They would deal the first strike, by burning one of the colonial cities to the ground, and the standoff/conflict would begin. The other natives would either remain neutral or back us.