Moratorium on Animal Testing [Complete] [Complete]

Abacathea

Abacathea

TNPer
Moratorium on Animal Testing
A resolution to restrict civil freedoms in the interest of moral decency.


Category: Moral Decency

Strength: Mild

Proposed by: Elke and Elba​

Description: NOTING that animals are an integral part of the environment and provide many essential functions to the natural regulation of the environment, also,

RECOGNISING that animals themselves have rights that should be and must be enforced too,

UNDERSTANDING that there are other forms of testing available including but not limited to, medical imaging through microdosing, computer simulation, testing on tissue and cell culture,

FURTHER UNDERSTANDING that due to the presence of such advances in technology today, the use of animal testing is unjustified and unwarranted as these other forms of testing are more humane as compared to animal testing,

The World Assembly,

ENCOURAGES member states to enforce a ban on animal experimentation, especially on practices which are painful and/or excessively harmful to animals;

FURTHER ENCOURAGES member states enact laws on to decrease and/or eliminate animal experimentation in their respective jurisdiction to bring private companies and corporations into compliance, yet;

REQUESTS all member states to provide adequate living conditions for animals being experimented on;

FURTHER REQUESTS member states provide adequate after-experiment care, palliative or otherwise, for animals that have outlived their purpose in experiments;

URGES member states to invest in research to find additional ways to conduct testing, and;

FURTHER URGES member states share such research with other nations.
 
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MINISTERS REVIEW​

In truth the Ministry is divided on this issue, there are some flaws which we wish we'd had the time to address with the author, but we don't feel they're to the detriment of the piece entirely.

FURTHER UNDERSTANDING that due to the presence of such advances in technology today, the use of animal testing is unjustified and unwarranted as these other forms of testing are more humane as compared to animal testing,
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This is something of an issue which is likely to go against the author, this seems to be neglecting that not all nations are at the same technological level as each other.

That said, on review of the teeth of the proposal, I've actually been compelled to contact the author and query the legality of this proposal, the entire resolution seems to be optional which is illegal per WA rules.

MINISTERS SUGGESTION

I have contacted EnE and my respective colleagues Mousebumples and Treize Dreizehn to see if my assessment on this is correct. Until then I recommend an ABSTAIN vote to the region until I have further information back.
 
I'm going to make a decision without reading the proposal just going by title alone, then regret it.

I'm an animal lover, a dirty stinkin tree earth mother worshipping animal loving hippie.

however, this seems like more governmental bureaucracy,


in the spirit of less complex laws as opposed to more, i'm going with...

Nay?
 
My understanding is that it's legal and not - technically - optional. The urges and encourages clauses are sufficient for a mild proposal of this nature.

It doesn't do anything, though, in fact, and I don't see the point in passing it. Of course, if it did do something (Mandate, Require, etc.), I'd probably be opposed as it would be too wide-reaching and "one size fits none." :P

I encourage a vote against, myself.
 
Mousebumples:
My understanding is that it's legal and not - technically - optional. The urges and encourages clauses are sufficient for a mild proposal of this nature.

It doesn't do anything, though, in fact, and I don't see the point in passing it. Of course, if it did do something (Mandate, Require, etc.), I'd probably be opposed as it would be too wide-reaching and "one size fits none." :P

I encourage a vote against, myself.
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My understanding of the optionality rule is it has to actually require something of nations, along with the "cannot simply create a committee" ruling. Requests is more "I'd like it if you did" no?

It's a tough one to be honest, I wish I'd spotted this sooner, and I have asked EnE to query this with the secretariat. I'm far too divided on the legality to offer any more than an Abstain at this time.
 
I read it, still against, unneeded regulations piled on top of unneeded lists of regulations, maybe it's my saint paddy beverages talking, but is there an anarchy group I can join, I want to scrap all legal codes and go back to the day of tribal chieftain warlords, but I must remember this is NS not Civilizations or AOE.
 
Optionality
GA Proposals are not optional. Don't try to make one that is. Many 'Mild' Proposals will have phrases such as "RECOMMENDS" or "URGES", which is just fine. The optionality ban refers to language such as "Nations can ignore this Resolution if they want," which is right out.
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Again: pretty sure it's legal.
 
Mousebumples:
My understanding is that it's legal and not - technically - optional. The urges and encourages clauses are sufficient for a mild proposal of this nature.

It doesn't do anything, though, in fact, and I don't see the point in passing it. Of course, if it did do something (Mandate, Require, etc.), I'd probably be opposed as it would be too wide-reaching and "one size fits none." :P

I encourage a vote against, myself.
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How right Mousebumples is! :P

Indeed, this was written in such a way so that it honestly doesn't do anything so that it would not be far-reaching, for the same reason that Mousebumples have raised. Indeed, I am most certainly quite Nat-Sovy as Mousebumples herself is.

This probably runs contrary to the concerns LibertarianLand should have, for this resolution is a non-resolution in itself - achieving the ultimate Zen mode. ;)

There are two primary intents of this bill is - one to urge countries to halt animal testing, since a bill with any wider-ranging powers would probably not be the best course of action to take for anyone. Second, is to act as a blocker both for animal testing (since countries are only urged) and also as a pre-emptive blocker since I foresaw the shitstorm GA will be hit. While I did not certainly see Repeal "GAR#2" coming up, I foresaw that Repeal GA#272, a IMHO terribly-written Repeal Reproductive Freedoms, amongst others (which don't seem to be reaching quorum) will be submitted soon. Moratorium on Animal Testing and (the possibly illegal) Universal Suffrage Act were meant to act in that capacity. Sadly, Universal Suffrage Act was submitted in the wrong category and had to be resubmitted, putting it behind Repeal GAR#2.

As the author, it seems funny I did not try to actively defend the bill. I don't intend to do so. Instead, I'd liked to ask TNP to do vote as you wish - for I'm not here to be an Auralia, influencing votes everywhere. :)

EnE
 
I'm glad to have so many distinguished authors around for the conversation on the proposal.

I dislikes it when Aba recommends an abstention vote. I don't get to stomp :(
 
mcmasterdonia:
I'm glad to have so many distinguished authors around for the conversation on the proposal.

I dislikes it when Aba recommends an abstention vote. I don't get to stomp :(
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Aww. :console:

As for Aba's concerns, we can always redress it whenever you wish, passed or not passed. Indeed, as we have mentioned to you before, we are indeed looking at a possible improvement to our "toilet provision resolution" in the long run. :)

Shock! Horror! I don't actually defend my proposals and/or resolutions!
 
Honestly i was being cheeky. I didnt really want to think of a real opinion ive been arguing too much. I need to try to make jokes or ill go insane.

Ive seen this "nat sov" argument on WA posts. I alwayd thought I was philosophically debate savvy til I joined NS...whats a nat sov argument? And wominz? On NS...no way! We all know NS is a bunch of anglo-saxan males who cant be politicans IRL.
 
PaulWallLibertarian42:
Honestly i was being cheeky. I didnt really want to think of a real opinion ive been arguing too much. I need to try to make jokes or ill go insane.

Ive seen this "nat sov" argument on WA posts. I alwayd thought I was philosophically debate savvy til I joined NS...whats a nat sov argument? And wominz? On NS...no way! We all know NS is a bunch of anglo-saxan males who cant be politicans IRL.
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Anglo-Saxon?! Anglo-Saxon?!!!

I'm yellow. Honest! :lol:

Nat-sovy means approximately the idea of "I want to keep my countries' rights mostly intact". I think Mousebumples, the champion of Nat-Sov in GA, can elaborate a whole lot further.

EnE
 
Nat Sov is short for National Sovereignty. Basically, it's a viewpoint that aims to minimise the amount of control that the GA (or WA) can have on individual nations in the game, by limiting the scope of resolutions passed, creating loopholes that allow nations to do whatever they want, and repealing resolutions that can be viewed as infringing on the sovereignty of different nations. If you frequent the GA forums you'll understand this viewpoint pretty quickly.

The reason why this idea is so prevalent is because of how, in theory, all WA states have to abide by the resolutions passed (Optionality clause in the rules), and some WA states see that as potentially harming their sovereignty as individual nations.

At least that's how I understand it, WA/GA experts can feel free to correct me on this.
 
Then why join the wa? I kinda agree with sovereignty, but you cant get cool endos without joining or endo your elected leaders. And i figured i could be the ron paul of the wa..but what your telling ms is mouse is the lady ron paul of the wa?
 
Whoops, it's going to fail. ^_^

Originally meant to be just a blocker, I think I'll probably expand it once it's back on the drawing board to add more legislation (how about more committees and more research-y and science-y stuff! :) ) And change the name too!

Apologies, was dreaming. Anyway, it seems like dealing with Animal Testing is the perfect way to get a resolution to burn in hell. ;)

So, erm, can we actually turn this thread into a discussion on what to add rather than just yay or nay?

(And I'll use it again as a half-blocker by submitting just before people submit something like Repeal GAR#2 or another Christian-motivated Repeal OA/RP, with the intent to really pass it.)
 
Why do you care about animals they dont have a soul especially darn mice and rats darn things. Let em test!! Why do you want to block them?

Only thing I will support is no testing on meerkats or any official animials on TNP. ...if all else fails tell the WA countries they can test on Democatic Donkeys
 
PaulWallLibertarian42:
Why do you care about animals they dont have a soul especially damn mice and rats darn things. Let em test!! Why do you want to block them?
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I don't block them...?

That seems to be the biggest misconception I had all day round. *sighs*
 
Then the point is? Like a "hey I really wish you wouldnt?" This I dont umderstand how that even should be legislated. Thst is just passing an opinion. Shouldnt the WA pass STRONG resolutions condemning stuff and what not after all the WA IS THE GOSH DARN INTERNATION LAW CONVENING AUTHORITY! (Frankly as a side issue I feel the WA needs an international peacekeeping force for liberations and for enforcing compliance on WA nations who wont comply with the resolutions! By force if nessicary!)

But anyway back to topic.

Idk how i feel IRL or NS about animinal testing...

Part of me as a non-practicing membef of minority religion(s) im all a tree hugging dirt worshipping life is sacred I could try to drink Thor under the table renne fair going hippie type.

But also, im practical Darwin and Science or Religion whatever, created animals to be tasty meals and to do scientific research on.
 
Elke and Elba:
So, erm, can we actually turn this thread into a discussion on what to add rather than just yay or nay?
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Well this IS our voting thread :P

But if there's any feedback you can take from it, definitely do :)
 
I think the WA should adopt policy so I know if the resolution authors are ladies or not. Cause totes ill vote for all resoulutions authored by them. And might make a good role play scandal if I ever really do become Attorney General of TNP, like most politicans they are skirt chasers. (In role play. I dont really want to get banned for being a creeper or a govindia jr. I have a g/f and like 85% happy IRL)

Anyway Abac, can you from now on tell me if the proposal writers are girls or not? So i know how to more accurately give my opinion in how to vote?
 
Elke and Elba:
Whoops, it's going to fail. ^_^

Originally meant to be just a blocker, I think I'll probably expand it once it's back on the drawing board to add more legislation (how about more committees and more research-y and science-y stuff! :) ) And change the name too!

Apologies, was dreaming. Anyway, it seems like dealing with Animal Testing is the perfect way to get a resolution to burn in hell. ;)

So, erm, can we actually turn this thread into a discussion on what to add rather than just yay or nay?

(And I'll use it again as a half-blocker by submitting just before people submit something like Repeal GAR#2 or another Christian-motivated Repeal OA/RP, with the intent to really pass it.)
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Ha, and do your work for you. No way. :P
 
Antonio Vivaldi is an Italian Baroque composer of the 17th-18th centuries.

In context, not so long ago there was a RMB discussion of music. I (and the cat) listen to Vivaldi. DD was of the opinion that Vivaldi is for dumb cats.

Given the nature of the nation Alunya it should be obvious that Alunya must vote FOR this World Assembly Resolution.

Yet Elke and Elbe would like a rational discussion of the issue, seeing as it seems on its way towards defeat.. My explanation for my vote is that I listen to Vivaldi. On this, I'm just a dumb cat. Capiche?

>^,,^<
Alunya
 
On classical composers I know of mozart beethoven bach i think there was someone else then the 1812 overture.

Im cultured on some things. Classical music isnt one of them.

For the record I dont thing your a dumb cat. scratches behind the ears
 
PaulWallLibertarian42:
I think the WA should adopt policy so I know if the resolution authors are ladies or not. Cause totes ill vote for all resoulutions authored by them.
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*marks you down as an Aye vote on any future Mousebumplonian legislation* :clap:
 
Double Aye since I hear you are the Lady Ron Paul of WA. Beating the drum of Nat Sov. I joined the WA at first to get cool endos and to endo the delegate for security of the region and to 2nd be an obstructionist "Mr. NO" (AS opposed to RP's Dr. NO since I am no doctor.)
 
Voting on this resolution has ended.

Thanks to those nations who cast their votes. Your participation is a great help to the region.

This topic has been locked and sent to the Archives for safekeeping. If you would like this topic to be re-opened for further discussion, please contact the WA Delegate, a Global Moderator, or an Administrator for assistance. Thank you.
 
Voting on this resolution has ended.

Thanks to those nations who cast their votes. Your participation is a great help to the region.

This topic has been locked and sent to the Archives for safekeeping. If you would like this topic to be re-opened for further discussion, please contact the WA Delegate, a Global Moderator, or an Administrator for assistance. Thank you.
 
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