A Formal Complaint from the Government of Equilism

Queen Astarial

Queen Astarial

TNPer
September 1st, 2012
To: The Delegate and Government of The North Pacific

Equilism would like to express our concern with the behavior of Govindia, citizen of The North Pacific and a member of your Regional Assembly, while on our forum under the alias Nivogal, as well as our deep disappointment with the response of the government of The North Pacific to such behavior. Having noted the charges brought against Govindia for his problematic statements, the government of Equilism had hoped that allowing the wheels of The North Pacific's judicial system to turn would result in recognition and disavowment of his actions, if not outright condemnation.

However, given the utterly bizarre ruling of Attorney General Grosseschnauzer on the desired charges, we feel that we have, unfortunately, no recourse but to issue a formal complaint to the government of The North Pacific. Govindia's statements concerning illegal drug use by citizens of Equilism and of The North Pacific are no joking matter, and earned him unofficial warnings from two moderators and an administrator, and his further undiplomatic and uncouth mudslinging, including cries of hypocrisy, combined with his rude and patronizing attitude toward our citizens, are both disgusting and disturbing.

We hereby request an apology from the government of The North Pacific for the disruptive and inappropriate behavior of their former ambassador to Equilism. Alternatively, noting Attorney General Grosseschnauzer's uncertainty as to the singularity of identity between accounts, and also noting the Attorney General's failure to resolve such concerns, we would be satisfied with an official confirmation, either by consultation between forum administrations or by Govindia himself, that Nivogal has been falsely representing himself as Govindia and should be banned for such impersonation.

We await your response.

Signed,
Chaucerin, Founder
tarricoe, Chief Minister
Randgriz, Minister of Foreign Affairs
 
I am not aware of any legal principle that is recognized in The North Pacific that allows the application of TNP law outside of TNP, an principle described as the "extraterritorual application" of law.
I also have not been provided with any evidence that even shows that the alleged persona in Equilism is the same of Govindia. I looked at the screen shot that was offered, but I have no way of validating that screenshot as competent evidence and even if the screenshot is accurate, there is nothing to show that that persona is the same of Govindia.
Even assuming that TNP law could apply, which is doubtful, I would have to be able to prove that the persona in Equilism is the same of Govindia. I cannot do that based on an assumption. Your government has not provided my office with any such actual evidence, merely allegations, and that is not enough on its own to bring charges.
If your domestic regional laws (or your forum rules, for that matter) were violated in Equilism, that is where your government should pursue your claims. The authority of the Attorney General to bring charges in the Court of The North Pacific does not extend to your region, nor to your regional forums. There is nothing bizarre about my determination, just that it applies common sense.
 
It might also be helpful to understand we have a legal precedent which recognizes duality. A player may operate many nations with different persona. Administrative action may be brought against a player, but court action is confined to the TNP nation.

But thank you for alerting us to the illegality of drug use in Equilism. I was completely unaware, as The Salty Dogs of Great Bights Mum have no such prohibitions. Should I ever visit, I'll be sure to leave my hookah at home. :noangel:
 
Great Bights Mum:
It might also be helpful to understand we have a legal precedent which recognizes duality. A player may operate many nations with different persona. Administrative action may be brought against a player, but court action is confined to the TNP nation.
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Equilism would like to point out that the user Nivogal represented themselves as The North Pacific's ambassador to Equilism during the time when The North Pacific appointed Govindia to that position, and has otherwise posted as someone who is a citizen of The North Pacific and a member of your Regional Assembly.

As such, we reject the notion of duality in this case.
 
Empress, let us explain this precisely -- Under the legal system of The North Pacific, we recognize the concept of duality and we do distinguish personas inside and outside of TNP on that basis.

We've had major strife in TNP's past history, and the recognition of the existence of duality in our legal system is part and parcel of that. Your region and your legal system may chose not to recognize the concept of duality, but that decision is not binding on TNP, its government or its courts.

If you wish to allege that the persona in your region of whom you complain is Govindia, you and your region bear the burden of proving that allegation. I'm not in a position to assume the existence of facts that this office would be obliged to prove in our Courts if there were to be a prosecution. (I do not concede in that statement that any violation of TNP law has been shown, I'm just simply explaining what our legal system demands in TNP.)
 
We are wholly sympathetic to the concerns of Attorney General and Root Administrator Grosseschnauzer about the necessity of determining without a doubt the identity of the poster behind the offending comments posted in The North Pacific's embassy. In light of those comments which sparked this diplomatic kerfuffle, as well as the long term and persistent representation of Nivogal as Govindia, we have become increasingly alarmed with the uncertainty felt by The North Pacific's judicial and administrative systems, as well as by Govindia himself in this matter.

In order to take all due precautions, that we might discourage all forms of impersonation and preserve our cherished relationship with The North Pacific, we have found it expedient to place a temporary ban on the account of Nivogal until this matter has been satisfactorily resolved.

Carried out September 3rd, 2012
Whamabama, Administrator and Co-Founduer
 
I'd like to direct everyone's attention to the threads in question here;

Equilism
Balder

Now, any reasonable reading of Govinda's comments in these two threads would surely conclude that he is attempt to be humorous. In fact, Asta's immediate response to Govinda's post is also humorous.

If Equilism would prefer someone else be TNP's ambassador to them I'm sure all they have to do is ask the Delegate or Minister of External Affairs, but requesting we take action against Govinda for a humorous post made in a humorous thread, which quite definitely doesn't constitute a crime in TNP and probably (I am not certain) also does not constitute a crime in Equilsim is not reasonable.

Edit: Apparently Gov isn't the TNP ambassador to Eq, so this is now a question of Eq demanding we punish one of their residents for actions committed on their forums, even though those actions do not constitute a crime in TNP.

This is a non-issue. Eq can do whatever they want with Gov under their own laws, but I do not see how it has anything to do with TNP at all.

Edit again: According to Wham Gov has been presenting himself as a representative of TNP. Now that, unlike the rest of this, does need looking into I think.
 
It's also worth noting that officially speaking, Govindia does not represent the government of The North Pacific in Equilism. Eluvatar is our designated ambassador for Equilism.
 
I believe the comments made by Govindia were only made in the spirit of humor. I understand how these statements could be misinterpreted if taken literally. I'm sure he meant no disrespect to the Empress or the citizens of Equilism. However as noted by mcmasterdonia above Govindia is not the ambassador to Equilism. I personally believe an apology by The North Pacific government would not be appropriate in this matter.
 
Certainly, Equilism had means of verifying who the accredited diplomatic representative of The North Pacific to that region is at any particular time, and that could be done without initially involving the judicial system of The North Pacific. The criminal impersonation statute deals with personas impersonating officials of The North Pacific government to our own residents within The North Pacific.

As I indicated in my initial response to the opening post of this thread, the laws of The North Pacific have not adopted any concept of extraterritorial jurisdiction over residents of The North Pacific; and offenses committed by members of the North Pacific Army are subject to internal military discipline outside of the TNP judicial system. The only way I know of to create such jurisdiction is to do so by a formal treaty entered into by the participating regions, and there is no such treaty between TNP and Equilism, and the proposed treaty does not include such provisions.
 
Belschaft:
I'd like to direct everyone's attention to the threads in question here;

Equilism
Balder

Now, any reasonable reading of Govinda's comments in these two threads would surely conclude that he is attempt to be humorous. In fact, Asta's immediate response to Govinda's post is also humorous.

If Equilism would prefer someone else be TNP's ambassador to them I'm sure all they have to do is ask the Delegate or Minister of External Affairs, but requesting we take action against Govinda for a humorous post made in a humorous thread, which quite definitely doesn't constitute a crime in TNP and probably (I am not certain) also does not constitute a crime in Equilsim is not reasonable.

Edit: Apparently Gov isn't the TNP ambassador to Eq, so this is now a question of Eq demanding we punish one of their residents for actions committed on their forums, even though those actions do not constitute a crime in TNP.

This is a non-issue. Eq can do whatever they want with Gov under their own laws, but I do not see how it has anything to do with TNP at all.

Edit again: According to Wham Gov has been presenting himself as a representative of TNP. Now that, unlike the rest of this, does need looking into I think.
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Actually, no I haven't. I never said I'm representing TNP. Wham needs to correct himself.

As I said before, if they do things in a joking matter and expect people to accept that, then they can accept what I also said as a joke and not take it seriously. Other people have acted similarly in the past without repercussions, they're just lodging a complaint because it's me and not someone else. They're being childish hypocrites.

Please be mature and learn to grow up. You guys clearly are continuing your vendetta against me when I have done nothing wrong but made a joke. It is no different than if JAL, or St. George made a similar one without repercussions. Stop persecuting me and attacking me when I have not done anything harmful. Please, grow up.
 
peoples empire:
I believe the comments made by Govindia were only made in the spirit of humor. I understand how these statements could be misinterpreted if taken literally. I'm sure he meant no disrespect to the Empress or the citizens of Equilism. However as noted by mcmasterdonia above Govindia is not the ambassador to Equilism. I personally believe an apology by The North Pacific government would not be appropriate in this matter.
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:agree:
 
And apparently because of their childish behaviour I have been banned from Equilism's forum?

SERIOUSLY. WTF.
 
Belschaft:
I'd like to direct everyone's attention to the threads in question here;

Equilism
Balder

Now, any reasonable reading of Govinda's comments in these two threads would surely conclude that he is attempt to be humorous. In fact, Asta's immediate response to Govinda's post is also humorous.
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As a note, the thread in Balder has changed, probably due to admin action. It originally looked like this.
 
Belschaft:
requesting we take action against Govinda for a humorous post made in a humorous thread, which quite definitely doesn't constitute a crime in TNP and probably (I am not certain) also does not constitute a crime in Equilsim is not reasonable.

Edit: Apparently Gov isn't the TNP ambassador to Eq, so this is now a question of Eq demanding we punish one of their residents for actions committed on their forums, even though those actions do not constitute a crime in TNP.
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As has been repeated several times to Belschaft, and as we have made quite clear, we are not requesting that The North Pacific punish or take action against anybody.

We are requesting an apology from the Delegate and Government of The North Pacific for the inappropriate behavior of their citizen - behavior which, we are disappointed to note, continues in this thread - and we await comment on this matter by the Delegate Eluvatar or his duly appointed representative.

To Attorney General Grosseschnauzer, we would note this thread, which received a single answer in the affirmative with no dissent anywhere. It is clear that many of your citizens are operating under the idea that TNP law does apply in TNP embassies.

To Govindia, we would suggest you read the announcement from Whamabama. We chose to ban the account Nivogal given, in part, the uncertainty that you yourself expressed as to whether or not that account was an impersonator. It is solely an attempt to protect your own reputation.
 
Empress Astarial:
Belschaft:
requesting we take action against Govinda for a humorous post made in a humorous thread, which quite definitely doesn't constitute a crime in TNP and probably (I am not certain) also does not constitute a crime in Equilsim is not reasonable.

Edit: Apparently Gov isn't the TNP ambassador to Eq, so this is now a question of Eq demanding we punish one of their residents for actions committed on their forums, even though those actions do not constitute a crime in TNP.
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As has been repeated several times to Belschaft, and as we have made quite clear, we are not requesting that The North Pacific punish or take action against anybody.

We are requesting an apology from the Delegate and Government of The North Pacific for the inappropriate behavior of their citizen - behavior which, we are disappointed to note, continues in this thread - and we await comment on this matter by the Delegate Eluvatar or his duly appointed representative.

To Attorney General Grosseschnauzer, we would note this thread, which received a single answer in the affirmative with no dissent anywhere. It is clear that many of your citizens are operating under the idea that TNP law does apply in TNP embassies.

To Govindia, we would suggest you read the announcement from Whamabama. We chose to ban the account Nivogal given, in part, the uncertainty that you yourself expressed as to whether or not that account was an impersonator. It is solely an attempt to protect your own reputation.
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......That is a poor excuse. I have had that account on that forum for FOUR YEARS. No one is impersonating me at all lol.

Please kindly unban my account. Thank you.
 
Empress Astarial:
Belschaft:
requesting we take action against Govinda for a humorous post made in a humorous thread, which quite definitely doesn't constitute a crime in TNP and probably (I am not certain) also does not constitute a crime in Equilsim is not reasonable.

Edit: Apparently Gov isn't the TNP ambassador to Eq, so this is now a question of Eq demanding we punish one of their residents for actions committed on their forums, even though those actions do not constitute a crime in TNP.
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As has been repeated several times to Belschaft, and as we have made quite clear, we are not requesting that The North Pacific punish or take action against anybody.

We are requesting an apology from the Delegate and Government of The North Pacific for the inappropriate behavior of their citizen - behavior which, we are disappointed to note, continues in this thread - and we await comment on this matter by the Delegate Eluvatar or his duly appointed representative.

To Attorney General Grosseschnauzer, we would note this thread, which received a single answer in the affirmative with no dissent anywhere. It is clear that many of your citizens are operating under the idea that TNP law does apply in TNP embassies.

To Govindia, we would suggest you read the announcement from Whamabama. We chose to ban the account Nivogal given, in part, the uncertainty that you yourself expressed as to whether or not that account was an impersonator. It is solely an attempt to protect your own reputation.
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I also can't read the announcement if I'm banned from that forum, in case you did not realise. <_<
 
Although this incident took place on the equilism forum, it took place in the north pacific embassy, which makes it a matter of concern to the north pacific government if not the north pacific court.

It also involves govindia, who is not the ambassador to equilism, but is a member of our diplomatic corps. A further concern is that in his signature in equilism he identifies himself as:

Parliamentary Republic of Ramaba
The North Pacifican Deputy External Affairs Minister
The North Pacifican Ambassador to Equilism
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Democratic Republic of South Nivogal
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Bolding mine.

Now at the very least we have offensive comments made by one of our ambassadors, in one of our embassies, while presenting himself to be our ambassador to that region. I am not surprised that the government of equilism have asked for an apology.

Whatever sanctions they choose to make against govindia, an apology would cost us nothing, would smooth the alliance we are forming with equilism and would be the diplomatic thing to do.
 
Randomly apologizing in situations where its not warranted would indicate a priority of throwing citizens under the bus to satisfy foreign interests.

That's a terrible priority.
 
You assume it is not warranted? I do not agree.

Remember, I have been pretty hard line in refusing to apologise where I do not feel there is a need. This was an offensive attitude and statement by one of our ambassadors in one of our embassies.

If the boot was on the other foot and an equilism member posted in their embassy here, as an ambassador and saying that they were equilisms ambassador to tnp, that we were cocaine users ....... Well, you can bet your ass we would be asking for an apology.
 
This is a note that the Delegate has read this Note and the various commentary.

Equilism will receive a formal response within 13 hours.
 
flemingovia:
Although this incident took place on the equilism forum, it took place in the north pacific embassy, which makes it a matter of concern to the north pacific government if not the north pacific court.

It also involves govindia, who is not the ambassador to equilism, but is a member of our diplomatic corps. A further concern is that in his signature in equilism he identifies himself as:

Parliamentary Republic of Ramaba
The North Pacifican Deputy External Affairs Minister
The North Pacifican Ambassador to Equilism
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Democratic Republic of South Nivogal
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Bolding mine.

Now at the very least we have offensive comments made by one of our ambassadors, in one of our embassies, while presenting himself to be our ambassador to that region. I am not surprised that the government of equilism have asked for an apology.

Whatever sanctions they choose to make against govindia, an apology would cost us nothing, would smooth the alliance we are forming with equilism and would be the diplomatic thing to do.
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Yea I forgot to update my signature. I never still said I was TNP's representative.

It's not the first time people had outdated signatures in NS.
 
Mahaj:
Randomly apologizing in situations where its not warranted would indicate a priority of throwing citizens under the bus to satisfy foreign interests.

That's a terrible priority.
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:agree:

again people do not know how to take a joke. They're making this into a personal matter with me otherwise this wouldn't be an issue if someone else were to have done it.
 
Empress Astarial:
To Attorney General Grosseschnauzer, we would note this thread, which received a single answer in the affirmative with no dissent anywhere. It is clear that many of your citizens are operating under the idea that TNP law does apply in TNP embassies.
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That response was not definitive and was not from someone who has ever been elected to an office where the issue would have been involved expertise or experience as to where TNP law stood on the matter.

Not to mention the thread involved madjack and Govindia who have been fueding on these forums as well.

(As an aside, Empress, do not assume that a random thread in our regional assembly by two members is definitive as to what TNP law is. What I and GBM have stated is an informed understanding of TNP law, as both of us have been elected members of the Court of The North Pacific, and have served as Delegate of TNP.)

As to whether Govindia misbehaved in his status as a member of the diplomatic corps, that is something that I'll leave to our Delegate and the Minister of Foreign Affairs to sort out. I'm not currently involved in the diplomatic corps, and therefor have not had reason to know what policies or instructions may have been or are now in effect with respect to TNP's diplomats.
 
Grosseschnauzer:
Empress Astarial:
To Attorney General Grosseschnauzer, we would note this thread, which received a single answer in the affirmative with no dissent anywhere. It is clear that many of your citizens are operating under the idea that TNP law does apply in TNP embassies.
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That response was not definitive and was not from someone who has ever been elected to an office where the issue would have been involved expertise or experience as to where TNP law stood on the matter.

Not to mention the thread involved madjack and Govindia who have been fueding on these forums as well.

(As an aside, Empress, do not assume that a random thread in our regional assembly by two members is definitive as to what TNP law is. What I and GBM have stated is an informed understanding of TNP law, as both of us have been elected members of the Court of The North Pacific, and have served as Delegate of TNP.)

As to whether Govindia misbehaved in his status as a member of the diplomtic corps, that is something that I'll leave to our Delegate and the Minister of Foreign Affairs to sort out. I'm not currently involved in the diplomatic corps, and therefor have not had reason to know what polcies or instructions may have been or are now in effect with respect to TNP's diplomats.
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let me reiterate:

I am not an ambassador for TNP to Equilism. Under Eluvatar's government, I was never reappointed, and I simply had forgot to update my signature. That's all.
 
Much as I hate to be siding with Gov, I'm finding this silly. Having now actually read the comments in question, the context in which they were made makes it pretty clear they were insincere and intended to be humorous. I didn't laugh, but all that proves Gov is guilty of is having a bad sense of humor.

Also, even though Gov's signature was outdated, in the opening post Asta refers to him as "former ambassador to Equilism" (emphasis added). They're clearly aware that Gov's being in Equilism is no longer officially sanctioned by TNP.

Now, the argument that since he's a member of the diplomatic corps he in general should observe certain decorum holds weight, but again it seems to me that what Gov said is being blown out of proportion just because Gov said it. I'm not a fan of his either, and as usual he's really not helping himself by being indignant and self-righteous about the accusations against him, it would still be a worrying precedent as Mahaj pointed out.
 
flemingovia:
You assume it is not warranted? I do not agree.

Remember, I have been pretty hard line in refusing to apologise where I do not feel there is a need. This was an offensive attitude and statement by one of our ambassadors in one of our embassies.

If the boot was on the other foot and an equilism member posted in their embassy here, as an ambassador and saying that they were equilisms ambassador to tnp, that we were cocaine users ....... Well, you can bet your ass we would be asking for an apology.
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"Whatever sanctions they choose to make against govindia, an apology would cost us nothing, would smooth the alliance we are forming with equilism and would be the diplomatic thing to do."

replace this with just about anybody else and there would be a massive fit.
 
Govindia:
Ok but it doesn't justify their childish actions nor illogical ban on my account.
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First of all, their actions aren't childish. They've followed an appropriate diplomatic course of behavior here and have been throughout this more respectful toward TNP than some TNP citizens have been toward them.

Second, they don't need to justify a ban on your account. It's their region.

Third, they are justified in seeking an apology from the government of The North Pacific. Whether intentionally or unintentionally, you misrepresented yourself as an ambassador to Equilism from TNP. You were able to do that primarily because you had been an ambassador to Equilism from TNP. Whether you're currently serving as TNP ambassador to Equilism or not is irrelevant; you did once, and behaving in a disrespectful manner in Equilism is going to have potential repercussions on diplomatic relations.

This is not even to mention that you're a member of the Regional Assembly. And before anyone dismisses that argument, think about that for a second: if Regional Assembly membership is significant enough to allow members to vote upon matters of utmost importance in TNP, it's significant enough to be counted as an official government position.
 
Cormac Stark:
Govindia:
Ok but it doesn't justify their childish actions nor illogical ban on my account.
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First of all, their actions aren't childish. They've followed an appropriate diplomatic course of behavior here and have been throughout this more respectful toward TNP than some TNP citizens have been toward them.

Second, they don't need to justify a ban on your account. It's their region.

Third, they are justified in seeking an apology from the government of The North Pacific. Whether intentionally or unintentionally, you misrepresented yourself as an ambassador to Equilism from TNP. You were able to do that primarily because you had been an ambassador to Equilism from TNP. Whether you're currently serving as TNP ambassador to Equilism or not is irrelevant; you did once, and behaving in a disrespectful manner in Equilism is going to have potential repercussions on diplomatic relations.

This is not even to mention that you're a member of the Regional Assembly. And before anyone dismisses that argument, think about that for a second: if Regional Assembly membership is significant enough to allow members to vote upon matters of utmost importance in TNP, it's significant enough to be counted as an official government position.
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I would like to refer you to the above argument made by Speaker Gulliver sir.
 
Empress Astarial:
September 1st, 2012
To: The Delegate and Government of The North Pacific

Equilism would like to express our concern with the behavior of Govindia, citizen of The North Pacific and a member of your Regional Assembly, while on our forum under the alias Nivogal, as well as our deep disappointment with the response of the government of The North Pacific to such behavior. Having noted the charges brought against Govindia for his problematic statements, the government of Equilism had hoped that allowing the wheels of The North Pacific's judicial system to turn would result in recognition and disavowment of his actions, if not outright condemnation.

However, given the utterly bizarre ruling of Attorney General Grosseschnauzer on the desired charges, we feel that we have, unfortunately, no recourse but to issue a formal complaint to the government of The North Pacific. Govindia's statements concerning illegal drug use by citizens of Equilism and of The North Pacific are no joking matter, and earned him unofficial warnings from two moderators and an administrator, and his further undiplomatic and uncouth mudslinging, including cries of hypocrisy, combined with his rude and patronizing attitude toward our citizens, are both disgusting and disturbing.

We hereby request an apology from the government of The North Pacific for the disruptive and inappropriate behavior of their former ambassador to Equilism. Alternatively, noting Attorney General Grosseschnauzer's uncertainty as to the singularity of identity between accounts, and also noting the Attorney General's failure to resolve such concerns, we would be satisfied with an official confirmation, either by consultation between forum administrations or by Govindia himself, that Nivogal has been falsely representing himself as Govindia and should be banned for such impersonation.

We await your response.

Signed,
Chaucerin, Founder
tarricoe, Chief Minister
Randgriz, Minister of Foreign Affairs
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The North Pacific regrets the impolitic acts of our citizen, Govindia, in Equilism. While I, Eluvatar, do not believe he broke our laws or impersonated anyone, when a TNP citizen causes offense on the forums of our friends it is of no help to the maintenance of good communications between the two regions.

It is an appropriate time to make clear that Govindia has not represented The North Pacific in Equilism since October 21 2011, if not earlier. Nothing he may have said in Equilism recently was on behalf or representative of TNP. While Equilism's authorities have correctly divined this already, it was not appropriate that Govindia's signature was thus several months out of date. The North Pacific would ask Govindia to avoid speaking in TNP's embassy to Equilism in future, but such steps have been made superfluous by Equilism admin action.

As we express our regret, TNP would like to please be assured that should a citizen of Equilism cause offense in Equilism it will not be our concern even if they do so in our embassy.

The best of wishes to our friends in Equilism,
~Eluvatar
TNP Delegate
 
I disagree with this. I really did nothing wrong and people are really overreacting. This is hypocritical at best.

Meanwhile my account stays banned for an illogical reason. No one was impersonating myself at all.
 
Let me tell you a story. I am prone to making puns. Occasionally they are funny. But sometimes they truly awful. They are met with eye-rolling, groans, and the occasional "NO! Shut up! You did not just say that!" When that happens, I say, "Oops, sorry. I don't know what ever possessed me to say that. I just couldn't help myself. The things that fall out of my mouth sometimes..." Because, you see, when my jokes don't go over well, it isn't the fault of my audience.
 
Great Bights Mum:
Let me tell you a story. I am prone to making puns. Occasionally they are funny. But sometimes they truly awful. They are met with eye-rolling, groans, and the occasional "NO! Shut up! You did not just say that!" When that happens, I say, "Oops, sorry. I don't know what ever possessed me to say that. I just couldn't help myself. The things that fall out of my mouth sometimes..." Because, you see, when my jokes don't go over well, it isn't the fault of my audience.
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:tb2: :worship:
 
mcmasterdonia:
Great Bights Mum:
Let me tell you a story. I am prone to making puns. Occasionally they are funny. But sometimes they truly awful. They are met with eye-rolling, groans, and the occasional "NO! Shut up! You did not just say that!" When that happens, I say, "Oops, sorry. I don't know what ever possessed me to say that. I just couldn't help myself. The things that fall out of my mouth sometimes..." Because, you see, when my jokes don't go over well, it isn't the fault of my audience.
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:tb2: :worship:
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Every time you speak I love you more and more, GBM.
 
Govindia:
I disagree with this. I really did nothing wrong and people are really overreacting. This is hypocritical at best.

Meanwhile my account stays banned for an illogical reason. No one was impersonating myself at all.
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That would be Grosse's fault, since he ruled that this Govindia and the other Govindia can't be proven to be the same person so Equilism had to take appropriate action as a result. Quite reasonable in light of the fact that our AG ruled you two aren't necessarily the same person.
 
Kingborough:
Govindia:
I disagree with this. I really did nothing wrong and people are really overreacting. This is hypocritical at best.

Meanwhile my account stays banned for an illogical reason. No one was impersonating myself at all.
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That would be Grosse's fault, since he ruled that this Govindia and the other Govindia can't be proven to be the same person so Equilism had to take appropriate action as a result. Quite reasonable in light of the fact that our AG ruled you two aren't necessarily the same person.
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FFFF!!! :headbang:

Just because I have accounts under different names does NOT mean I am different people.

I am Govindia here and in Equilism I was known as Nivogal. My nation in Equilism is South Nivogal.

No one is on those accounts but me, myself, and I. My cats do not yet have computing skills even though they will turn 13 in four days.

I personally believe Equilism's administration is doing this as a personal scapegoating / witch hunt. They would not have made a fuss if someone else made this type of joke, they would have had a free pass. Because people have an anti-Govindia bias, they are showing offence. Other people have made similar jokes in the past and not been penalised. Because I said it they are making note and taking offence.

Goodness forbid I have a sense of humour. This persecution needs to stop. I have had that account in good standing in four years I have had it in Equilism's forums. This treatment is unacceptable.

I am formally requesting that this statement be debated and voted on in the regional assembly. We should not throw people under the bus here and this statement is what Eluvatar plans to do.
 
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