Council of Five results

[Abbey]

I'll start with the actual results, and then go through them. Those who get a place on the council of five (in order of making it to the quota) are:
Eluvatar, mcmasterdonia, Unibot, Romanoffia, KiwiTaicho.

Round[c]Eluvatar[c] mcmasterdonia[c]unibot[c]Romanoffia[c]KiwiTaicho[c]Govindia[c]peoples empire[c]Abbey Anumia[c]Check
[c]1[c] 49.95 [c]26.45[c]22.45[c]18.25[c]10.45[c]11.95[c]10.25[c]8.25[c]158.00
[c]2[c] 27 [c] 33.84 [c]26.62[c]21.94[c]12.79[c]14.98[c]10.73[c]10.10[c]158.00
[c]3[c] 27 [c] 27 [c] 27.92 [c]23.04[c]13.71[c]15.61[c]12.41[c]11.31[c]158.00
[c]4[c] 27 [c] 27 [c] 27 [c]23.34[c]13.85[c]15.69[c]12.65[c] 11.47 [c]158.00
[c]5[c] 27 [c] 27 [c] 27 [c] 29.04 [c]15.35[c]17.97[c]14.64[c] 0 [c]158.00
[c]6[c] 27 [c] 27 [c] 27 [c] 27 [c]16.27[c]18.57[c] 15.16 [c] 0 [c]158.00
[c]7[c] 27 [c] 27 [c] 27 [c] 27 [c]26.63[c] 23.37 [c] 0 [c] 0 [c]158.00
[c]8[c] 27 [c] 27 [c] 27 [c] 27 [c] 50 [c] 0 [c] 0 [c] 0 [c]158.00

(This makes a council of five consisting of Eluvatar, mcmasterdonia, unibot, Romanoffia and KiwiTaicho)

The quota of votes in this elections happened to be 27 – this is calculated using the Droop quota, which is the total number of votes, divided by the number of seats + 1, with 1 added at the end (158 votes, 5 seats – 158/6 + 1 = 27.3333 – rounded down).

At round 1, Eluvatar won a seat, as the count of votes with him as their first choice was above the set quota. His votes above quota were redistributed, in proportion to the second choices of all that voted for him as their first choice – for example, roughly 18% of those that put Eluvatar as their first choice put Unibot as their second choice, and Unibot gained votes proporitonal to that (18% of Eluvatar's surplus)

At round 2, mcmasterdonia gained a seat, as the redistributed votes from Eluvatar pushed him over the quota. The same procedure for redistributing the votes is carried out again, onto everybody except Eluvatar (anybody who put mcmasterdonia first and Eluvatar second would then have their third choice counted).

At round 3, the redistributed votes from both mcmasterdonia and Eluvatar mean that Unibot has more votes than the quota, and he gets a seat. Again, his votes are redistributed proportionally (although as you can see, he wasn't very far over the quota, so the changes on other people are small)

At round 4, nobody “new” is above the quota, so the person with the lowest number of votes is eliminated (me), and my votes redistributed similarly to the way the winners' were – all votes sent proportionally to my voters' next highest choice.

At round 5, the redistributed votes from my elimination means that Romanoffia has more votes than the quota, and the excess votes are redistributed.

At round 6, again nobody has more votes than the quota, so the next person with the lowest votes (peoples empire) has their votes redistributed between the two remaining candidates based on which is ranked higher.

Penultimately, at round 7, again nobody has more votes than the quota, so the lower vote count candidate (Govindia) is knocked out, and their votes given to KiwiTaicho.

Inevitably at round 8, KiwiTaicho has more votes than the quota, and gets the last position on the council of five.

A simple example ballot like this:
Eluvatar - 1
mcmasterdonia - 2
Unibot - 3
Romanoffia - 4
KiwiTaicho - 5
Govindia - 6
peoples empire - 7
Abbey Anumia - 8

Would have their vote distributed with around half going to Eluvatar, a small amount going to mcmasterdonia, Unibot and Romanoffia, with the rest going to KiwiTaicho,

 

[Eluvatar]

I certify these results as official. The winners take office at midnight UTC: 7 hours from now.

For reference, the sheet wherein the votes were counted: http://goo.gl/hWlgw

A listing of all the votes, anonymized, in random order: http://www.thenorthpacific.org/voter/co5_july_2012/published_votes.json

 

[Gladio]

Congratulations to those that got a place in the cabinet

 

[Gulliver]

DEMOCRACY.

 

[Georgiana]

Congratulations Ministers, may you serve our region well.

 

[unibot]

DEMOCRACY.

Agreed: true, genuine democracy. Hail TNP!

 

[Blue Wolf II]

Yes, democratic, just like all the other votes we typically have on this forum...

 

[Kiwi]

Thank you to everyone who voted and to Elu for all the time he spent checking the legitimacy of votes etc.

 

[Romanoffia]

Yes, democratic, just like all the other votes we typically have on this forum...

Actually, it was a pretty good turnout for an election. More people voted this way than ever on the forum, and it included people who don't necessarily use the forum.

 

[Grosseschnauzer]

Roman, we've had more than 27 vote in elections, just not recently.

Or maybe that was during one of those periods when you were inactive.

 

[Govindia]

Yes, democratic, just like all the other votes we typically have on this forum...

Actually, it was a pretty good turnout for an election. More people voted this way than ever on the forum, and it included people who don't necessarily use the forum.

It was, with the exception of politically motivated defamation and libel that possibly cost me the election .

 

[FALCONKATS]

Congrats

 

[peoples empire]

Congratulations to all the winners of the council of five elections. Despite numerous hostile attacks from senior TNP members during the election and my disappointment at seeing the results almost mirror last time. I still have to say I had a great time during the election,and no matter what the outcome politically I will still continue to fight for what is true and just in the TNP.

 

[Blue Wolf II]

It was, with the exception of politically motivated defamation and libel that possibly cost me the election .

Welcome to the club.

 

[Eluvatar]

Roman, we've had more than 27 vote in elections, just not recently.

Or maybe that was during one of those periods when you were inactive.

You don't understand. 27 was the quota to be elected: each Councillor won through the support of at least 27 voters.

158 people voted.

 

[unibot]

I bet you we could break 200 hundred voters in a hotly contested delegate election with an avid election season.

 

[unibot]

Congratulations to all the winners of the council of five elections. Despite numerous hostile attacks from senior TNP members during the election and my disappointment at seeing the results almost mirror last time. I still have to say I had a great time during the election,and no matter what the outcome politically I will still continue to fight for what is true and just in the TNP.

I'm sure you'll be politically successful in the near future.

Keep trucking! You'll learn lots along the way.

 

[Govindia]

Congratulations to all the winners of the council of five elections. Despite numerous hostile attacks from senior TNP members during the election and my disappointment at seeing the results almost mirror last time. I still have to say I had a great time during the election,and no matter what the outcome politically I will still continue to fight for what is true and just in the TNP.

I'm sure you'll be politically successful in the near future.

Keep trucking! You'll learn lots along the way.

 

[punk d]

I bet you we could break 200 hundred voters in a hotly contested delegate election with an avid election season.

Yes, this system of voting has the potential to revitalize legislating as part of the game.

It was used in an election, but probably could be used for votes as well.

 

[Eluvatar]

I don't think our regional residents would appreciate being telegrammed ballots which are only on legislative referenda.

Perhaps we could add referendum questions to our elections however.

 

[peoples empire]

Congratulations to all the winners of the council of five elections. Despite numerous hostile attacks from senior TNP members during the election and my disappointment at seeing the results almost mirror last time. I still have to say I had a great time during the election,and no matter what the outcome politically I will still continue to fight for what is true and just in the TNP.

I'm sure you'll be politically successful in the near future.

Keep trucking! You'll learn lots along the way.

exactly

 

[Romanoffia]

It's amazing. It actually worked as a voting method.

This may be the first time any sizable region has held an election that permitted non-forum members (and actually engaged them to do so) to vote. It also shows that a good chunk of people who do not actively participate on the forum are actually paying attention when given the opportunity. I foresee that this will increase forum participation from nations that otherwise would not because they may think they might not make a difference.

You know, this could be a trend setter for other regions.

Nice job, Elu!

 

[Ravenna]

Congratulations for the elected officials!

 

[Govindia]

Congratulations to all the winners of the council of five elections. Despite numerous hostile attacks from senior TNP members during the election and my disappointment at seeing the results almost mirror last time. I still have to say I had a great time during the election,and no matter what the outcome politically I will still continue to fight for what is true and just in the TNP.

I'm sure you'll be politically successful in the near future.

Keep trucking! You'll learn lots along the way.

exactly

At least someone agrees with me . The results would have been different if someone did not instigate a libellous political thread....

 

[Funkadelia]

Congratulations to all the winners of the council of five elections. Despite numerous hostile attacks from senior TNP members during the election and my disappointment at seeing the results almost mirror last time. I still have to say I had a great time during the election,and no matter what the outcome politically I will still continue to fight for what is true and just in the TNP.

I'm sure you'll be politically successful in the near future.

Keep trucking! You'll learn lots along the way.

exactly

At least someone agrees with me . The results would have been different if someone did not instigate a libellous political thread....

Perhaps you will get better results next time if you stop complaining about the unchangeable and look forward to the soft, malleable future.

 

[mcmasterdonia]

QUOTE PYRAMID!

 

[The Palindromic Land]

I am moderately concerned about the potential for fraud in this sort of election. Don't many people control multiple nations in the region?

 

[Eluvatar]

I am moderately concerned about the potential for fraud in this sort of election. Don't many people control multiple nations in the region?

I thoroughly scrutinized the ballot submissions using the same methods we use on this forum.

I also have methods in reserve which could be implemented to add further scrutiny.

 

[Govindia]

Also, how does this fall in line with election law, considering election law did not allow for this form of voting?

 

[Cove]

The election law only applies to delegate, justice and speaker elections. Other elections not mentioned in the law aren't regulated by the electoral law.

 

[mcmasterdonia]

Which is something that needs to be considered - if we are to use this method for Delegate elections.

 

[Govindia]

Yes, which is why I am questioning the legality of this election, as it's technically not under electoral law.

 

[Cove]

It's not illegal as long as we do not apply it to speaker, justice or delegate elections. The electoral law would need to be changed first for this kind of system to be applied to those elections.

 

[Felasia]

This election is created at the wishes of the Delegate who are legally allow to select his cabinet in anyway who choose. Elu just want to allow greater involvement from the region in it's government

Congratulation to all elected officials.

I rather enjoy this method of votes and would like to see the possibility of adopting this for other elections and legislative vote. Well, if we can find someone to prevent a possibility of vote fraud....

 

[Lord Byron]

I certify these results as official.

So confused. Ok, so,
This election was for the Delegate to choose his/her Cabinet?
And the Delegate included himself/herself?
And the Delegate certified the results himself/herself?

I may not have taken Government in High School, and I may not watch C-Span, and I may not be able to explain the difference between a Capitalist and a Socialist...
But it smells to me like the Delegate is trying to slowly grab power.
Just throwing it out there.


I will be sure to watch TNP-Span so that I can keep a look out for elections such as these and get myself on the ballot.
I have lots of great ideas for TNP, and I think I could be a real help. Such as ejecting all those Nations that stir up trouble.

 

[Eluvatar]

I certify these results as official.

So confused. Ok, so,
This election was for the Delegate to choose his/her Cabinet?
And the Delegate included himself/herself?
And the Delegate certified the results himself/herself?

I may not have taken Government in High School, and I may not watch C-Span, and I may not be able to explain the difference between a Capitalist and a Socialist...
But it smells to me like the Delegate is trying to slowly grab power.
Just throwing it out there.


I will be sure to watch TNP-Span so that I can keep a look out for elections such as these and get myself on the ballot.
I have lots of great ideas for TNP, and I think I could be a real help. Such as ejecting all those Nations that stir up trouble.

Actually the Delegate is giving away power that they legally have, to the people.

 

[peoples empire]

So confused. Ok, so,
This election was for the Delegate to choose his/her Cabinet?
And the Delegate included himself/herself?
And the Delegate certified the results himself/herself?

I may not have taken Government in High School, and I may not watch C-Span, and I may not be able to explain the difference between a Capitalist and a Socialist...
But it smells to me like the Delegate is trying to slowly grab power.
Just throwing it out there.

one of my concerns is the delegate being a member of his own cabinet. I think being delegate is enough power for one person without being head of a ministry on top of it.

 

[Blue Wolf II]

In Elu's defense, there is no law requiring him to hold an election for Cabinet members. He could simply do what every other TNP delegate in the past has done and appoint their Cabinets themselves. Think of these positions to be like real life Secretary/Ministers of Defense/Agriculture/etc. They are not normally elected positions.

 

[Romanoffia]

Absolutely true. Elu has actually, as he notes, by his own authority, ceded the appointment of the cabinet to the people.

 

[Tyler Kazakov]

I didnt do this but Congratz guys!