"Delegate" Access

Grosseschnauzer

Grosseschnauzer

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For reasons unknown to me, Blue Wolf II has access to all of the Security Council area.
There is nothing in the Constitution or the Legal Code authorizing the Delegate to have any role in the actions or discussions within the Security Council. The Security Council is an independent agency under the Constitution and not subject to the oversight or running commentary of the Delegate.
However the masking was done, it needs to be corrected. In fact, at the current time the Security Council has the legal responsibility" to enforce the recall of the Delegate," so for that reason in addition to the lack of legal authority of any Delegate qua Delegate (who isn't otherwise already elected to the Council) Blue Wolf's or the Delegate group masking needs to be fixed.
If we need a vote of the Security Council to cause this to happen, then I'm all in favor of an immediate vote.
 
I added Blue Wolf II's access because we were discussing matters he needed to be involved in, like responses to endorsement swappers and the process for transferring the Delegacy to him.
 
Proposal:

Append to the Security Council procedures:

7. Delegate Access
a. If the Delegate is a member of the Council, they will have access to whatever Security Council private area may exist as a member.
b. Otherwise, the Chair may grant or remove access to the Delegate as they judge appropriate for the purposes of promoting regional security.
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Blue Wolf II:
Yeah, keep the delegate in the dark, they know too much as it is. Not like they are the first line of defense in the region anyway.
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That would indeed generally be a terrible idea.
 
I think Delegate access only becomes problem when recall happen since it's the Security Council duty to enforce the recall. Otherwise, there should be constant communication between Delegate and the SC to ensure the security of the region. I think Elu's suggestion is probably the best.
 
as Blue Wolf 2 has been reinstated by the courts i don't see the need to vote on this ? still if SC members want i can put this to vote
 
While we're adopting formal procedures, here's a draft rule for an acting chair that we've mentioned a few times in passing for the past six months or more:

Rule

Absence of Vice Delegate; Acting Chair

A. Whenever the Vice Delegate is absent or unavailable for more than 24 hours (or when there is a vacancy in the office of Vice Delegate or the Vice Delegate is serving as Acting Delegate), the Security Council member who is available and who (1) is not holding an office and (2) has the longest period of seniority, shall take the chair of the Security Council and preside as the Acting Chair.
B. In the event the Vice Delegate has designated an Acting Chair from among the membership of the Security Council, this Rule shall apply with respect to any absence or unavailability of the Acting Chair that extends beyond 24 hours.
C. The Acting Chair may perform any act previously noticed by the Vice Delegate within the Security Council, or which is deemed required or necessary for the timely conduct of the business of the Security Council. The Acting Chair does not serve as an interim or acting Vice Delegate unless separately designated in the Order of Succession as adopted under the Constitution and Law 30.
D. The Vice Delegate shall take the chair and resume their duties upon their return to the Security Council (or upon posting the oath of office when there has been a vacancy in the Office of Vice Delegate.)
E. After each admission, suspension or removal of members of the Security Council, the incumbent Vice Delegate shall post an updated list of the elected Security Council members, listed according to their seniority. This list shall determine which member may act as the Acting Chair when the need arises under this Rule.
F. As used in this Rule:
1. “Absent or unavailable for more than 24 hours” means that the Vice Delegate has not logged onto the forums, or posted in a governmental thread within the preceding 24 hours; or that some anticipated act by the Vice Delegate within the Security Council is due to be taken, and has not been taken.
2. “Seniority” is determined by the amount of elapsed time since a member’s most recent period of compliance with the requirements of Law 30 as to influence and endorsement levels or their initial election to the Council, but no longer than the amount of time since the creation of the Security Council under the current Constitution.
3. “Holding an office” refers to the Delegate, the Vice Delegate, the head of a Cabinet office, the Attorney General, and any Court justice, but does not include elected membership on the Security Council.
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This is based on the RA rule as a template, but there are differences since the Court has ruled that an Acting Vice Delegate cannot be appointed, and the Security Council can only determine the order of succession in the procedure specified in Law 30 and in Article V of the Constitution.
 
It's actually shorter than the R.A.'s rule 2.

It also had to deal with the Vice Delegate when that officer is serving as Acting Delegate under the Constitution, which does not have a parallel in the R.A. Rule.
 
I would like to separate this two issues between Delegate access and the Security Council continuity. So can we have a vote on the first one?
 
Eluvatar:
Proposal:

Append to the Security Council procedures:

7. Delegate Access
a. If the Delegate is a member of the Council, they will have access to whatever Security Council private area may exist as a member.
b. Otherwise, the Chair may grant or remove access to the Delegate as they judge appropriate for the purposes of promoting regional security.
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I will put this up for a vote.
 
While we're voting on new additions to the SC procedures, can we address this as well?
Rule

Absence of Vice Delegate; Acting Chair

A. Whenever the Vice Delegate is absent or unavailable for more than 24 hours (or when there is a vacancy in the office of Vice Delegate or the Vice Delegate is serving as Acting Delegate), the Security Council member who is available and who (1) is not holding an office and (2) has the longest period of seniority, shall take the chair of the Security Council and preside as the Acting Chair.
B. In the event the Vice Delegate has designated an Acting Chair from among the membership of the Security Council, this Rule shall apply with respect to any absence or unavailability of the Acting Chair that extends beyond 24 hours.
C. The Acting Chair may perform any act previously noticed by the Vice Delegate within the Security Council, or which is deemed required or necessary for the timely conduct of the business of the Security Council. The Acting Chair does not serve as an interim or acting Vice Delegate unless separately designated in the Order of Succession as adopted under the Constitution and Law 30.
D. The Vice Delegate shall take the chair and resume their duties upon their return to the Security Council (or upon posting the oath of office when there has been a vacancy in the Office of Vice Delegate.)
E. After each admission, suspension or removal of members of the Security Council, the incumbent Vice Delegate shall post an updated list of the elected Security Council members, listed according to their seniority. This list shall determine which member may act as the Acting Chair when the need arises under this Rule.
F. As used in this Rule:
1. “Absent or unavailable for more than 24 hours” means that the Vice Delegate has not logged onto the forums, or posted in a governmental thread within the preceding 24 hours; or that some anticipated act by the Vice Delegate within the Security Council is due to be taken, and has not been taken.
2. “Seniority” is determined by the amount of elapsed time since a member’s most recent period of compliance with the requirements of Law 30 as to influence and endorsement levels or their initial election to the Council, but no longer than the amount of time since the creation of the Security Council under the current Constitution.
3. “Holding an office” refers to the Delegate, the Vice Delegate, the head of a Cabinet office, the Attorney General, and any Court justice, but does not include elected membership on the Security Council.
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I know this is for the Security Council, who's members can be expected to shoulder some burdens, but can we nevertheless make that procedure a little shorter and simpler?
 
Suggest something.
While the principles are the same as the R.A. rule we're faced with covering the differences such as when the Vice Delegate is acting as Delegate, as well as when there is no Vice Delegate.
The R.A. rule appears to have no loopholes which is why it was used as a basis. And remember one purpose of the rule is to have a pre-determined method of who takes the SC chair when the Vice Delegate isn't there and no one is already apppointed.
 
Grosseschnauzer:
While we're voting on new additions to the SC procedures, can we address this as well?
Rule

Absence of Vice Delegate; Acting Chair

A. Whenever the Vice Delegate is absent or unavailable for more than 24 hours (or when there is a vacancy in the office of Vice Delegate or the Vice Delegate is serving as Acting Delegate), the Security Council member who is available and who (1) is not holding an office and (2) has the longest period of seniority, shall take the chair of the Security Council and preside as the Acting Chair.
B. In the event the Vice Delegate has designated an Acting Chair from among the membership of the Security Council, this Rule shall apply with respect to any absence or unavailability of the Acting Chair that extends beyond 24 hours.
C. The Acting Chair may perform any act previously noticed by the Vice Delegate within the Security Council, or which is deemed required or necessary for the timely conduct of the business of the Security Council. The Acting Chair does not serve as an interim or acting Vice Delegate unless separately designated in the Order of Succession as adopted under the Constitution and Law 30.
D. The Vice Delegate shall take the chair and resume their duties upon their return to the Security Council (or upon posting the oath of office when there has been a vacancy in the Office of Vice Delegate.)
E. After each admission, suspension or removal of members of the Security Council, the incumbent Vice Delegate shall post an updated list of the elected Security Council members, listed according to their seniority. This list shall determine which member may act as the Acting Chair when the need arises under this Rule.
F. As used in this Rule:
1. “Absent or unavailable for more than 24 hours” means that the Vice Delegate has not logged onto the forums, or posted in a governmental thread within the preceding 24 hours; or that some anticipated act by the Vice Delegate within the Security Council is due to be taken, and has not been taken.
2. “Seniority” is determined by the amount of elapsed time since a member’s most recent period of compliance with the requirements of Law 30 as to influence and endorsement levels or their initial election to the Council, but no longer than the amount of time since the creation of the Security Council under the current Constitution.
3. “Holding an office” refers to the Delegate, the Vice Delegate, the head of a Cabinet office, the Attorney General, and any Court justice, but does not include elected membership on the Security Council.
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I have opened this for discussion, here

http://forum.thenorthpacific.org/topic/6915115/1/
 
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