King Durk the Awesome
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http://twp.nosync.org/index.php?showtopic=...=0&#entry163711
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<@NewKervoskia> Good evening ladies and gentlemen I'm New Kervoskia of The Evening Post. Tonight I'm joined by NS-veteran Biyah and current TNP Minister of Intelligence Dalimbar. They agreed to discuss and debate their views concerning TNP and the new delegate. Before I begin, do you agree to be civil and consent posting of this log?
<@Dali> Sure.
<@Biyah> Sure.
<@NewKervoskia> To begin, Biyah, you've raised some objections over the Jal's recent electoral victory, what are your main concerns?
<@Biyah> People say I have a checkered background – it’s nothing compared to what JAL has done in his time. Betrayal, Feeder crashing – you name it. He gets going, and then he loses steam, gets bored, and ultimately turns whatever he’s doing into a mockery.
<@NewKervoskia> Yet the people of TNP thought he was the best candidate. He beat FEC who is perhaps one of the most respected NSers.
<@Biyah> FEC/Erastide is known to have a busy life, she didn't campaign from what I understand. And, yet, even with all that she still carried a good chunk of the vote.
<@NewKervoskia> Ah, Dali how do you respond?
<@Dali> I find it amusing that Biyah has these concerns, especially when JAL has assembled a quite active team to assist him with the governance of the state. I believe that in his previous activities, he may have not had such resources at his disposal, thus he became bogged down and disinterested. Yet, that happened to me as well, when I was Delegate of The North Pacific in 2007 during my "rogue" Delegacy.
<@Dali> The fact of the matter is that JAL campaigned fairly, and a majority of voters weren't interested in what FEC was presenting to them: inactivity.
<@NewKervoskia> Activity v Inactivity is nothing new, so what does Jal bring to the table?
<@Dali> It is, by now, known that JAL is interested in providing a different course to TNP politics. He is in the middle of reducing unfilled government bureaucracy (I refer to the CLO), while at the same time creating new, more relevant positions. In my other role as Minister of Communications, we are interested in bringing natives into the forum so that they get a chance to participate in the new environment. In foreign affairs, we are looking at new partnerships and friendships with relevant and active regions for mutual benefit. This is, of course, only the first steps to bringing TNP back on track and on the right course.
<@Dali> Were there any particular matters you were interested, though?
<@NewKervoskia> Ah, yes, you mentioned bringing natives on board, but how, exactly?
<@NewKervoskia> That has been a part of nearly every delegate's platform.
<@NewKervoskia> Oh, yes, note: When you're done just say done and I'll edit it out later.
<@Dali> Naturally. At this point we are discussing this particular matter, but in cooperation with the Interior Affairs Minister, the Delegate, and perhaps the RA Speaker, the Ministry of Communications is looking at ways to connect the resident population to the forum. They need to know what there is on the forum, and why they should join. Internal Affairs will be doing recruitment activities, and Communications will be releasing statements to be published to our residents to allow them to know what is going on.Yet, we must remember that no one can be forced to join. However, once a team is put in place, we will be better able to do what other Delegates have tried and failed to do on a larger scale: bring more non-forum residents on board.
<@Biyah> JAL brings nothing but hilarity and foolishness to TNP. His campaign platform was a joke, one that any other serious contender would have smashed to bits, had there been one. Only the fact that the other real opponent was inactive enabled him to take the seat, now he's like a kid in a candy store - he's going to do whatever comes to mind, whether or not it's for 'the good of the region'. All respects to Dali and the crew that JAL chose for his cabinet, but a monkey in a statesman's uniform is still a monkey. Really, TNP as an Islamic state? If religion by decree worked, the RL world would have been saved a lot of strife over the years. Here, in an online forum, his direction is nothing more than a parlor trick to catch attention.
<@NewKervoskia> Dali, rebuttal?
<@Dali> I hope I don't misunderstand, but would he rather TNP, like every other feeder region, fade completely into silence and obscurity? He is doing these activities legally. The Islamic State idea is a radical idea, yes. I can admit that. But I know that others are no longer interested in taking the tired old paths that lead nowhere. In terms of him "doing whatever comes to mind", you must remember that he is answerable to the endorsing nations, the Regional Assembly, and his Cabinet. If he makes decisions that I frankly disagree with, then it would be wrong for me to support him, as an example. I know other Cabinet ministers will act the same, and the voters will tell him what they think if he does get too out of hand. I know Biyah is not fond of this, and even I haven't had a good relationship with it, but it is still a forum democracy.
<@Biyah> Radical ideas of orthodoxy don't work, as a former Judge of the Peoples Republic of the Pacific should know. The Pacific is a hollow shell of a region, and they cling to their radical ideals - ideals which follow the same general path as JAL's Islamic agenda. The Empire tried the same thing, and collapsed. And let's be honest, this is TNP we're speaking about. If the forum population doesn’t like what JAL is doing, then all he has to do is go rogue, the region has a history of it. And considering he's been party to at least three takeovers that I know of, it doesn’t take much imagination to see him trying to launch The Jihad, The Sable Solution, or one of a dozen other idiotically named regimes.
<@NewKervoskia> Dali mentioned connecting to other regions, what foreign policy changes does Jal have in mind?
<@Dali> Actually communicating with regions is a damn good start. Especially in light of certain re-appearances of older players of this game, The North Pacific is interested in, and I quote his platform, looking "beyond our feeder horizons and develop relationships with active UCR's." The specifics of those relationships, and who we will be having relationships with of course, will be announced when they become available. The purposes of these relationships will be to allow TNP to take ground in interregional politics once again, bringing her back to the network of like-minded regions to ensure our prosperity and security.
<@Biyah> "The specifics of those relationships, and who we will be having relationships with of course, will be announced when they become available." Which means that it sounded good in a platform, but JAL has irritated or enraged a good chunk of the players from UCR's, so actually opening lines of communication with any of them will be difficult, if not impossible. Not to mention that allying with TNP is a lot like joining hands with Russia before an invasion, it's a sure way to get bogged down. All the more likely, now, with JAL in command.
<@NewKervoskia> Closing remarks.
<@NewKervoskia> Dali, you may go first since Biyah opened the debate.
<@Dali> To briefly rebuttal, I am saddened to think that the Embassy we have in Nasicournia, which was first re-established when JAL was Foreign Minister and continued to grow during this transition period, might mean nothing. Perhaps I am a bit of an idealist, yet compared to the track we were on, that of decay and inactivity, The North Pacific will see herself back in action. It will take cooperation between the Delegate, his Cabinet Ministers, and the region at large to accomplish these things, yet I know that JAL is intent on making this region work again.
<@Biyah> It's a sad day when a Feeder, especially one with a history of political and military strife, is disinterested enough to choose such an untrustworthy figure as JAL.
<@Biyah> Notions of activity, radical change and strengthening a region are all good and fine - but only if the person promising these changes has the strength of will to carry them out, and the necessary trust of the region to see them through. He was chosen because he was the only choice, not because he was heralded as TNP's savior. I think TNP is doomed to see dark days with a weak leader.
<@NewKervoskia> Thank you gentlemen.
Transcript:
<@NewKervoskia> Good evening ladies and gentlemen I'm New Kervoskia of The Evening Post. Tonight I'm joined by NS-veteran Biyah and current TNP Minister of Intelligence Dalimbar. They agreed to discuss and debate their views concerning TNP and the new delegate. Before I begin, do you agree to be civil and consent posting of this log?
<@Dali> Sure.
<@Biyah> Sure.
<@NewKervoskia> To begin, Biyah, you've raised some objections over the Jal's recent electoral victory, what are your main concerns?
<@Biyah> People say I have a checkered background – it’s nothing compared to what JAL has done in his time. Betrayal, Feeder crashing – you name it. He gets going, and then he loses steam, gets bored, and ultimately turns whatever he’s doing into a mockery.
<@NewKervoskia> Yet the people of TNP thought he was the best candidate. He beat FEC who is perhaps one of the most respected NSers.
<@Biyah> FEC/Erastide is known to have a busy life, she didn't campaign from what I understand. And, yet, even with all that she still carried a good chunk of the vote.
<@NewKervoskia> Ah, Dali how do you respond?
<@Dali> I find it amusing that Biyah has these concerns, especially when JAL has assembled a quite active team to assist him with the governance of the state. I believe that in his previous activities, he may have not had such resources at his disposal, thus he became bogged down and disinterested. Yet, that happened to me as well, when I was Delegate of The North Pacific in 2007 during my "rogue" Delegacy.
<@Dali> The fact of the matter is that JAL campaigned fairly, and a majority of voters weren't interested in what FEC was presenting to them: inactivity.
<@NewKervoskia> Activity v Inactivity is nothing new, so what does Jal bring to the table?
<@Dali> It is, by now, known that JAL is interested in providing a different course to TNP politics. He is in the middle of reducing unfilled government bureaucracy (I refer to the CLO), while at the same time creating new, more relevant positions. In my other role as Minister of Communications, we are interested in bringing natives into the forum so that they get a chance to participate in the new environment. In foreign affairs, we are looking at new partnerships and friendships with relevant and active regions for mutual benefit. This is, of course, only the first steps to bringing TNP back on track and on the right course.
<@Dali> Were there any particular matters you were interested, though?
<@NewKervoskia> Ah, yes, you mentioned bringing natives on board, but how, exactly?
<@NewKervoskia> That has been a part of nearly every delegate's platform.
<@NewKervoskia> Oh, yes, note: When you're done just say done and I'll edit it out later.
<@Dali> Naturally. At this point we are discussing this particular matter, but in cooperation with the Interior Affairs Minister, the Delegate, and perhaps the RA Speaker, the Ministry of Communications is looking at ways to connect the resident population to the forum. They need to know what there is on the forum, and why they should join. Internal Affairs will be doing recruitment activities, and Communications will be releasing statements to be published to our residents to allow them to know what is going on.Yet, we must remember that no one can be forced to join. However, once a team is put in place, we will be better able to do what other Delegates have tried and failed to do on a larger scale: bring more non-forum residents on board.
<@Biyah> JAL brings nothing but hilarity and foolishness to TNP. His campaign platform was a joke, one that any other serious contender would have smashed to bits, had there been one. Only the fact that the other real opponent was inactive enabled him to take the seat, now he's like a kid in a candy store - he's going to do whatever comes to mind, whether or not it's for 'the good of the region'. All respects to Dali and the crew that JAL chose for his cabinet, but a monkey in a statesman's uniform is still a monkey. Really, TNP as an Islamic state? If religion by decree worked, the RL world would have been saved a lot of strife over the years. Here, in an online forum, his direction is nothing more than a parlor trick to catch attention.
<@NewKervoskia> Dali, rebuttal?
<@Dali> I hope I don't misunderstand, but would he rather TNP, like every other feeder region, fade completely into silence and obscurity? He is doing these activities legally. The Islamic State idea is a radical idea, yes. I can admit that. But I know that others are no longer interested in taking the tired old paths that lead nowhere. In terms of him "doing whatever comes to mind", you must remember that he is answerable to the endorsing nations, the Regional Assembly, and his Cabinet. If he makes decisions that I frankly disagree with, then it would be wrong for me to support him, as an example. I know other Cabinet ministers will act the same, and the voters will tell him what they think if he does get too out of hand. I know Biyah is not fond of this, and even I haven't had a good relationship with it, but it is still a forum democracy.
<@Biyah> Radical ideas of orthodoxy don't work, as a former Judge of the Peoples Republic of the Pacific should know. The Pacific is a hollow shell of a region, and they cling to their radical ideals - ideals which follow the same general path as JAL's Islamic agenda. The Empire tried the same thing, and collapsed. And let's be honest, this is TNP we're speaking about. If the forum population doesn’t like what JAL is doing, then all he has to do is go rogue, the region has a history of it. And considering he's been party to at least three takeovers that I know of, it doesn’t take much imagination to see him trying to launch The Jihad, The Sable Solution, or one of a dozen other idiotically named regimes.
<@NewKervoskia> Dali mentioned connecting to other regions, what foreign policy changes does Jal have in mind?
<@Dali> Actually communicating with regions is a damn good start. Especially in light of certain re-appearances of older players of this game, The North Pacific is interested in, and I quote his platform, looking "beyond our feeder horizons and develop relationships with active UCR's." The specifics of those relationships, and who we will be having relationships with of course, will be announced when they become available. The purposes of these relationships will be to allow TNP to take ground in interregional politics once again, bringing her back to the network of like-minded regions to ensure our prosperity and security.
<@Biyah> "The specifics of those relationships, and who we will be having relationships with of course, will be announced when they become available." Which means that it sounded good in a platform, but JAL has irritated or enraged a good chunk of the players from UCR's, so actually opening lines of communication with any of them will be difficult, if not impossible. Not to mention that allying with TNP is a lot like joining hands with Russia before an invasion, it's a sure way to get bogged down. All the more likely, now, with JAL in command.
<@NewKervoskia> Closing remarks.
<@NewKervoskia> Dali, you may go first since Biyah opened the debate.
<@Dali> To briefly rebuttal, I am saddened to think that the Embassy we have in Nasicournia, which was first re-established when JAL was Foreign Minister and continued to grow during this transition period, might mean nothing. Perhaps I am a bit of an idealist, yet compared to the track we were on, that of decay and inactivity, The North Pacific will see herself back in action. It will take cooperation between the Delegate, his Cabinet Ministers, and the region at large to accomplish these things, yet I know that JAL is intent on making this region work again.
<@Biyah> It's a sad day when a Feeder, especially one with a history of political and military strife, is disinterested enough to choose such an untrustworthy figure as JAL.
<@Biyah> Notions of activity, radical change and strengthening a region are all good and fine - but only if the person promising these changes has the strength of will to carry them out, and the necessary trust of the region to see them through. He was chosen because he was the only choice, not because he was heralded as TNP's savior. I think TNP is doomed to see dark days with a weak leader.
<@NewKervoskia> Thank you gentlemen.
