The North Pacific v. Blue Wolf II DISCUSSION

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So what happens when a witness declines to appear?

Signed : An intrigued observer. :clap:
*whispers into VP's ear: if they were served properly with a subpoena or openly refuse to testify in light thereof, they get hit for 'contempt of court' or obstruction of justice (if you have a particularly creative judge).*
 

Eluvatar

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*Eluvatar puts modhat on
Traditionally in the North Pacific, we do not speak in the courtroom unless we are called to the stand or counsel.

*Eluvatar leads the interlopers out into the hall.

You may continue your chatter here, unless the Court asks me to escort you further, perhaps to the Baths down past Government Square, that's always a good place for chatter.

*Eluvatar takes modhat off.

I'm not sure Rhindon's not just away from forum for a little bit. Perhaps I'll badger him.
 

Byakhee

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Good politicians reply from Rhindon there answering JAL's question with a different question rather than an answer and then deferring from responding to the second question until advice can be received.
I thought earlier on it was stated there would be no sealed / hidden evidence?
 
Wonder if anyone can answer these two issues for me:

1) How can Rhindon Blade be considered an expert witness on the evidence he provided? As he can have neither the impartiality or neutrality required of an expert witness in my opinion this must surely exclude him from that status.

2) Why is Rhindon Blade being so evasive as to answering direct questions from the defence. As a neutral observer I find his lengthy absences followed by vague and rambling responses bordering on contempt of court.

Saying that, this trial has probably been the most exciting event to pass across the forum in quite some time and I for one can't wait for the next instalment.

Cheers and Blessings to you all.

VP :noangel:
 
So far all he seems to be doing is refusing to answer questions being asked of him by the Defense while taking random verbal potshots.

He's not really so much giving a testimonial but a blatant personal opinion.

I should just start calling to the stand everyone that thinks I'm innocent if that's the way its going to be. :P
 
Ouch, sounds like RB got out of bed the wrong side today. As it is he is still declining to address a direct line of questioning by responding with opinion and argument. Sorry but I though it was the role of Prosecutor and Defence counsels to direct questions to the witness and for the witness to answer, or am I missing something here? Was like that the last time I was in court anyway.

This could quite easily degenerate into an unsightly slagging match rather than a formal trial.

VP
 
Deary me, doesn't that rather put a kipper in the prosecutions martini? IF RB's argument ( and he's still not answered a direct question with a direct answer to date) that BW provided WT with a deadly weapon doesn't it fall down if the alleged weapon is free for all to access? This, in my opinion, is the very point that RB is doing his damnest to avoid admitting.

I do find his allegations that WT is a known terrorist a little hysterical and rather cowardly as WT is as far as I know not before the court and therefore cannot respond to the claim. Surely if WT were such a threat to TNP then they would also have been charged and be on the stand with BW?

Maybe RB will start throwing allegations against me now as I've had the afront to call into question his integrity so I'd better watch my mouth.

His benign blessings on you all.

VP :noangel:
 
VP, the question being asked is directed at my personal opinion on the matter. Here it is again:

JAL:
If this is indeed true how does it prove or even indicate that any plot was carried out in any way?
Now, don't ask me why they're asking this question. I think, professionally speaking, it was a very poor move - because they're asking (no, demanding) a witness, not the Prosecution, not the Judge, to give his opinion as to 'how' the evidence proves BW's maliciousness against the state. As a lawyer on the opposite side of the argument, you never do that.

So, I've told them. Compared it to a RL scenario they'll be able to understand. But they don't like it. Of course they don't!

And here I am wondering what on earth they expected. A confession that the evidence should be scrapped because BW is so obviously innocent? Lol.

BW:
He's not really so much giving a testimonial but a blatant personal opinion.
:duh: Its what your counsel 'blatantly' asked for, good sir. May I give reference to my official testimonial on Page 3?
 

Eluvatar

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While I can say that relations between Tiddler and the Government have occasionally been tense, I believe that he is at the end of the day an upstanding citizen of the North Pacific.

If there were evidence that he had aims to perform mass ejections or suchlike, I would be highly disappointed, but I do not believe that he would perform such actions. I remember here we managed to come to a cordial understanding, and I believe he expressed disapprobation of the previous, Crimson, government's frequent bannings.

If he entertained the possibility of seizing the region for the purpose of "restoring activity," or "reducing red tape" while I would disagree with the means, I think that that is an offense I myself was guilty of back in the day, and with forthright honesty I revealed my dark secrets and joined the side of light, so to speak. I would, in that case, invite him to join me :bunny:
 

Eluvatar

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Givin' terrists machine guns! :lol:

I like my court room drama to be simple, and Rhindon blade, "expert" witness, delivers.
Amusing to read? Yes.

Reasonable? Perhaps not.

I don't believe Tiddler has ever terrorized the government. Though you could argue he nearly terrorized me :fish:
 
A comparison to RL lol, I wouldn't presume to claim 'terrorism', or terrorists, exist in-game (see my use of the word "likewise"). Actually that would be rather amusing...jihadists in NS...:ph34r:

I could draw similarities between a politician who was handed the perfect scapegoat, or an iffy General Manager the legality of an all-time-low minimum wage. Each worker to his trade...weapons being the speciality of, well, RL terrorists. And unfortunately, although I do like Tiddler as a person, BW intentionally gave him a tool of temptation (no, Syd, I was referring to the scanner :P) that he could have potentially done much harm with.

I believe this allegory has been blown out of context, to mean that I said "Tiddler is a terrorist". Congrats to the defence for this illusion, but in no way do I endorse this falsehood. The real terrorist, or more politically-correct, raider, is imho, the particular individual that stands accused.
 
With all due respect RB you seem far more willing to spout opinion on this thread than to give clear and timely responses to the court. The specific question about the tool for example.

Are you prepared to state clearly on this thread once and for all that it is freely accessible to one and all or will you continue with your obfuscation and bluster?

What is more, in any court that claims legitimacy you cannot rely on the alleged testimony of Wee Tiddle without calling them to the stand to be cross examined. Your use of the discussion you had with WT effectively opens the door for any discussions between any TNP members relating to their opinions on government to be entered as pertinent evidence. Rather than proving anything it merely muddies the waters.

VP :noangel:
 
I believe this allegory has been blown out of context, to mean that I said "Tiddler is a terrorist". Congrats to the defence for this illusion, but in no way do I endorse this falsehood. The real terrorist, or more politically-correct, raider, is imho, the particular individual that stands accused.

Utter nonsense my boy, utter nonsense. You have deliberately used inflamatory and emotive language to paint a picture of a, in your words, terrorist plot. Please dont blame the defence for challenging. It is good to see though that you acknowledge your own diction is a falsehood.

By your final comment "The real terrorist, or more politically-correct, raider, is imho, the particular individual that stands accused" can we assume that you and the prosecution do not plan on calling WT to defend his reputation and answer your allegations against him? As I said previously, in my opinion it is a low and cowardly act to throw out allegations whilst hiding behind the protection of the court.

Sunday morning 9:00 AM so off to church now.

Blessings on you all.

VP :noangel:
 
Just a friendly piece of advice for RB to consider. Should you not be refraining from debating this case outside of court as otherwise you yourself may well be guilty of subjudice and contempt.

Something for you to consider I think.

VP :noangel:
 
VP, I had already decided to discontinue wasting breath here when I reached your second post. I'm a little saddened that while I was the closest sympathizer of yours, tiddlers and byakhees in government, you have decided to undertake a little backstabbing anyway. But I still stand by my word, and the legally elected government of TNP. That takes precedence every time, I'm afraid.

Good day to you sir, and best of luck in finding a place of your own here one day.
 
I find your comments a little hard to take seriously as they are so illogical.

1) Are you now suggesting that I and Byakee are also involved in the alleged plot? You really are too free and easy in throwing out innuendos.

2) Since when has asking questions and voicing an opinion been considered backstabbing? you have certainly been doing enough of that recently so pots and black kettles springs to mind. I would also say that I have never betrayed a trust by repeating something said in confidence to me.

3) How can “I stand by my word” be possibly taken as sincere or indeed accurate when you continue to prevaricate and evade on what is a very simple Yes or No question in court?

I’m sorry you feel in some way betrayed by being challenged on your actions but I really don’t see where you are coming from on that point. It is good to see however that you will no longer be distracted by wasting your breathe on this thread and can now concentrate on attending court punctually and answering the bloody questions.

We pray that you find peace.

VP :noangel:
 
So I think I have discovered the *sets off a barrage of fireworks* key phrase of the Prosecution, it goes like this:

key phrase:
The Defense might not like what the witness has to say but that gives them no right to [inset gripe here].
For example: They might not like what he has to say but that gives them no right to: repeat questions; doubt the witness; as them to clarify; tell them to “Do a barrel roll”

I think we can start a new spam game based off this :P
 

Eluvatar

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So I think I have discovered the *sets off a barrage of fireworks* key phrase of the Prosecution, it goes like this:

key phrase:
The Defense might not like what the witness has to say but that gives them no right to [inset gripe here].
For example: They might not like what he has to say but that gives them no right to: repeat questions; doubt the witness; as them to clarify; tell them to “Do a barrel roll”

I think we can start a new spam game based off this :P
Why of course.
 
Maybe because it's true?

Every time someone says something that's damaging to you, you object with some flimsy excuse. Maybe that's why almost all your objections have been overruled? But at least we're having fun.
 
"Oh it's all gone quiet from Rhindon blade where's he gone, oh it's all gone quite from Rhinon Blade where's he gone?". Come on everyone we all know the words so sing along.

Seeing as RB is so vocal with his opinions why oh why does he find it so difficult to answer straight YES or NO questions? Please RB get your arse in gear and answer the bloody questions or are you too busy watching the Ashes?

May his illuminating light shine on your darkest corners.

VP :noangel:
 

Fotar

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Maybe he has a life outside of Nationstates, unlike certain others....ever think of that? I've known Blade for years....he will be here, don't you worry.
 

Eluvatar

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Blue Wolf only repeated his question two days ago , yes, since when I have not seen RB about much.

I'll see if I can attract his attention here when I see him.
 
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