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Sydia

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Oh, hi! Didn't see you come in.
That's not my porn mag.

I'm not gonna be quite as active as I was for IRL reasons I won't go into , but I'll still be knocking about a fair bit.

So, I've started this topic to post your suggestions, improvements, demands, demented ramblings and so on.
 
I've always been a military person, and with the military definitively dead, and our laws pretty much perfected, there's just not a whole lot to do around here I guess.
 
If it's any consolation, the other feeders are in much the same state of activity*. However, as long as there are active and dedicated members, TNP will never die.

* Except TWP. I've thought of an Ozymandias-like plan to start up a war or go rogue to stir up activity, but frankly it would be a sad way to go.
 
I propose that this problem can be explained with an economic model of Nationstates. No, no not that failure of fake money we tried years ago. I think the principles behind macroeconomics can explain why this game is in a recession and if (and how) regional governments can fix it, and to what extent. The University of The North Pacific will be constructing an economic model of the game to evaluate this phenomenon of participation fluctuations. Anyone who has background in economics is welcome to join in.
 
Right, sorry I've been a bit of a shadow the last few days - was taking my computer to bits. Back now and ready for action, though!

Edit: Holy crap! I'm a Vassal! About time; I was beginning to think my influence level was bugged!

*does the Vassal dance*
 
Hey Syd, was wondering if you could put something in the WFE in regards to RP. Perhaps simply letting people know that the discussion is ongoing and we would like their input.
 
Syd...I would like to request that you remove your request for prosecution of BW...on the added condition that he posts here that he will stop his current attempts. I will explain why.

I have no doubt that BW violated his oath as a RA member. I also have no doubt that he was or still might be trying to conspire to remove the government. But his intention has merit as it is for change or rather to end the stagnation in government here. His approach is what is wrong especially since he took an oath.

His previous efforts in this community to give Invaders equal rights is something that benefits the players in this community and the region. We should take that into account in this case much like a judge would for a war veteran who commits a crime.

Prosecution in this case, IMHO, is not in our best interest. He has been a member of this region, the RA and the community for a long time. Something is wrong here when veteran members see no other way to bring about change other than conspiring against the government and going against their oath.

Blue Wolf doesn't even know that I am posting this. We did speak earlier and he explained himself further...I still don't approve of his methods but I hope that he takes this chance to save any stature he has here.

If he really believes that we are wasting our time with this attempt to revive the government then he should resign from the RA and make a clear stand against this government. That would be the honorable thing to do.

We Tiddle on the Wap is another story. If he goes over the cap he should be kicked. He should be given the opportunity...again....to stop his tarting since (supposedly) BW was the one who coaxed him into tarting again. He like everyone else has the opportunity to work with the system and bring about the change he desires. But he has taken no oath and his loyalty to the region is unproven. At one time he expressed his desire to do so but has not.

Hopefully, we can end this incident peacefully and move on with our current endeavor to revive and change the government. This type of tactic has proven to be more productive and fruitful than any violent and negative attempt to bring about change in a feeder.
 
Break the law, get a light tap on the wrist and asked to pretty please stop all this conspiring business on account of being active? I'd rather prove our courts are good for something.
 
I'd much rather prove that our government is good for something other than stopping tarters. The court is rarely used. Their are more important parts of this government that we should prove work.

This is your choice as Delegate. I'd ask that you think it through and post after BW sees this and replies as well.

We have more to gain by being understanding and looking for a peaceful solution here.

What is the worse that can happen by waiting for BW to post. He either resigns from the RA and makes a clear stance and we know what we have to do or his endeavors end. We win either way...no need to alienate him and give him more reasons to be unhappy with the government.
 
Tresville:
What is the worse that can happen by waiting for BW to post. He either resigns from the RA and makes a clear stance and we know what we have to do or his endeavors end. We win either way...no need to alienate him and give him more reasons to be unhappy with the government.
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Or he does neither and leaves what he's actually going to do a mystery.
 
Don't quite understand. Tiddle has taken no oath and made no promises, so should be booted. BW has taken an oath and broken it, and should be spared?

Some phail in logic there, methinks.
 
A lurking and mysterious threat is nothing new to us. Doing something like that quietly is not going to happen. I do not underestimate BW and he and I both know the WA numbers, effort and most of all time it would require to plan a long term assault like that. You trained under him....you should know that as well Khark.

Since your commenting, how do you feel this situation is best handled....continue with his trial or make amends with him and show we are not a lost cause?
 
flemingovia:
Don't quite understand. Tiddle has taken no oath and made no promises, so should be booted. BW has taken an oath and broken it, and should be spared?

Some phail in logic there, methinks.
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Excuse me but Tiddler has not gone over the cap. I believe this government does not boot its citizens for attempting to pass the cap...we explain to them the reasons and ask that they stop, take the necessary precautions to drop said members endoes and if all else fails once said tarter passes the cap the Delegate banjects. I should not have to explain this since we had a whole argument on the matter when I warned Tiddler on his third time getting close to the cap months ago.

I explained the logic fully. Perhaps you skipped that whole section...I'll quote it:


I have no doubt that BW violated his oath as a RA member. I also have no doubt that he was or still might be trying to conspire to remove the government. But his intention has merit as it is for change or rather to end the stagnation in government here. His approach is what is wrong especially since he took an oath.

His previous efforts in this community to give Invaders equal rights is something that benefits the players in this community and the region. We should take that into account in this case much like a judge would for a war veteran who commits a crime.

Prosecution in this case, IMHO, is not in our best interest. He has been a member of this region, the RA and the community for a long time. Something is wrong here when veteran members see no other way to bring about change other than conspiring against the government and going against their oath.

Blue Wolf doesn't even know that I am posting this. We did speak earlier and he explained himself further...I still don't approve of his methods but I hope that he takes this chance to save any stature he has here.

If he really believes that we are wasting our time with this attempt to revive the government then he should resign from the RA and make a clear stand against this government. That would be the honorable thing to do.

We Tiddle on the Wap is another story. If he goes over the cap he should be kicked. He should be given the opportunity...again....to stop his tarting since (supposedly) BW was the one who coaxed him into tarting again. He like everyone else has the opportunity to work with the system and bring about the change he desires. But he has taken no oath and his loyalty to the region is unproven. At one time he expressed his desire to do so but has not.

Hopefully, we can end this incident peacefully and move on with our current endeavor to revive and change the government. This type of tactic has proven to be more productive and fruitful than any violent and negative attempt to bring about change in a feeder.
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Point is to do what is in the best interest of the region. If you do not agree that this approach is best during a time of NS Decline and a community revival due to civil unrest please explain.

This is just a suggestion and not something I can't be convinced otherwise by. As I said it is Sydia's call as I am only asking him to try another approach. Bringing BW to trial is not in any way abusive or illegal. Since Sydia brought this to the court he can remove that request.
 
Has everyone gone mad? Sorry, but Blue Wolf II broke the law (allegedly) and will be tried and sentenced accordingly. Wee Tiddle has not broken the law. Regardless of how active Blue Wolf II is, all are equal under the law, or our government is a cabal and our claims to democracy a sham. In fact I would kindly ask Tresville to do his utmost to be under the endocap to demonstrate our commitment to equal justice under law.

Pericles:
Our form of government does not enter into rivalry with the institutions of others. We do not copy our neighbours, but are an example to them. It is true that we are called a democracy, for the administration is in the hands of the many and not of the few. But while the law secures equal justice to all alike in their private disputes, the claim of excellence is also recognised; and when a citizen is in any way distinguished, he is preferred to the public service, not as a matter of privilege, but as the reward of merit. Neither is poverty a bar, but a man may benefit his country whatever be the obscurity of his condition.
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Some sections above were directed towards Flem so I hope he replies here as well. I also asked Khark a question.

Well...ok Syd. I won't ask again and this is not an issue.

However I don't see how I am an issue because I am SC and legally can be over the cap + was just delegate. Mind u I am under 130 and have only endorsed 2 - 3 nations and that was earlier today when I was TGing to get Tiddlers numbers dropped.

I won't endorse anyone else and those here that are viewing can simply unendorse me. If it doesn't happen quick enough u can always TG the people we know Syd to bring my endoes down. I don't have a problem with that. I'm already busy and will be recruiting so extra tging on my part for that purpose (to bring my own endoes down) is just added work.
 
As I understood your post I responded to, Tres, you were advocating throwing the book at Tiddle should he go over the cap, but Blue Wolf's alleged treason should be overlooked.

I merely think that is a failure in logic. when you have laws, they have to apply across the board.

Mitigating circumstances and prior service to the region is something his defence counsel should mention should he be found guilty and before sentencing, as a plea for clemency.

But to say he should not even be brought to trial is absurd. I hope that should evidence ever be uncovered that I had broken my oath as a RA member, I would be put on trial. Why have laws at all, if some are above them?
 
I agree with what Flem has said; I'd add that the perception of such a move could be disastrous. Break the law and part of the 'old boys club'; get told "Oh, you!" and have your hair tussled. Disagree with the Establishment(tm) and are not 'in'? You vill be cast out!

I'm glad to hear this won't be an issue. Re your endocount, I don't think any direct action is necessary, the count will go down naturally. I raise it because it's the same issue; equality before the law, rules to apply to everyone.
 
Can I just add that I have no idea whether BW is innocent or guilty? I haven't seen any evidence or even talked to anyone about these charges. My response would have been the same whoever was accused.

This is a classic example of why legislature and judiciary should be held at arms length.
 
Innocent til proven guilty of course, but as you suggest forgoing a trial altogether based on who someone was would be quite troubling.
 
Tresville:
I have no doubt that BW violated his oath as a RA member. I also have no doubt that he was or still might be trying to conspire to remove the government. But his intention has merit as it is for change or rather to end the stagnation in government here. His approach is what is wrong especially since he took an oath.
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That's about all that needs to be said. The judgement of the court may be influenced by the other things that you said in terms of mitigation of a sentence, but he's quite positively been attempting to overthrow the current system of government in TNP and should be tried on that.
 
If he showed up and renounced everything he's planning, I'd recommend just kicking him out of the RA for a while. That being said, we both know he's not planning to do that.

As such, The most I'll grant is a suspension of the trial for no more than a week or so, in order that it not draw too much attention away from the beginning of our revival efforts or something.
 
BW's plot + no repercussion = precedent.

For everyone. The disgruntled, the rogue, and the future plant, who will tend to urge the law to be 'nicer' to those who attempt to bring about its destruction... <_<
 
Like I said I am not making this an issue. I just felt we could handle this otherwise.

On a good note...

Tiddlers Endoes dropped significantly and I have received no complaints and everyone who replied to my requests were very positive.

I also am about to TG a few that I endooed today (Endoed more than I thought) to ask them not to return the endorsement. But if people here could unendorse me that would save me some time.
 
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