TNP FOREIGN LEGION

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Outer Kharkistania

TNPer
Increasingly, it appears that among the feeders The North Pacific stands alone in its defense against totalitarianism and imperialism and the threat to democracy and freedom that recent events pose. All the other regions have either fallen under the influence of the enemy or are standing on the sidelines.

This means that no part of the NPA may be spared in the defense of the region, as our allies are few and far between. As such, we simply don't have the man power to focus on projects that are not related to the defense of the Region.

This is where my proposal steps in- we create a Foreign Legion under the Ministry of Defense that any foreign volunteer can join, giving us greater manpower and the ability to partake military missions of assistance without siphoning away NPA forces from the vital defense of the region.

The proposal is as follows:

Charter for The North Pacific Foreign Legion

Herein,
The North Pacific Foreign Legion is created to serve as an auxiliary force to the North Pacific Army under the Department of Defense. Its purpose will be to allow members of other regions to serve the North Pacific without the requirements of full citizenship and the traditional requirement of Regional Assembly membership.

The Foreign Legion's role is three-fold:

1) As the Leader of the Free Nationstates World, The North Pacific will doubtless attract volunteers who wish to assist it in its fight against the forces of totalitarianism and imperialism, but also have a deep attachment to their home region, and simply don't have the ability to become deeply involved in The North Pacific. These Foreign Volunteers are invited to join the Foreign Legion for terms of any length, so long as they swear to protect the Region and the Constitution while serving.

2) The Foreign Legion shall serve as goodwill ambassadors of The North Pacific to the rest of the world, introducing regions to our great Region. Without a doubt, many of the recruits will want to join the Region Proper after serving in the Legion, so it will act as a recruitment organization as well. Finally, it shall help the Region's image abroad, by providing military assistance and cooperation to any friendly region that seeks our aid.

3) The Foreign Legion will provide extra manpower for NPA activities when needed, and will allow The North Pacific to carry out small scale attacks, raids, and defenses without drawing away forces from the NPA. This shall allow the NPA to stay focused on the big picture and the defense of the region while giving the region a force-projection ability.

The Legion shall be under the command of the Minister of Defense and the Delegate, and shall be subject to upholding the Constitution, Legal Code, and Bill of Rights. All members will be required to take an oath stating as much, which will apply for the entirety of their service in the region. Finally, as representatives of the region, the Foreign Legion will be required to uphold the strong values of our region- Freedom, Democracy, and Honor. Failure to do so will result in immediate expulsion from the Legion.
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I urge you all to give this law a test run- I know plenty of people that would love to take part in military actions (bored raiders, defenders, and people concerned by the rise of imperialism in the feeders) so we should not be wanting for personnel. In addition, I'm willing to submit this force to whatever oversight the RA thinks is necessary.

I'd also like to ask for your input regarding this idea. I want there to be a consensus, as we all have to unite in the defense of this region and all others that enjoy the same freedoms as we do. That is why I ask you to approve this law, as the Legion will doubtless be a sort of glue that will help to tie us to current and new allies in this important fight.

-Khark
 
Hmmm, interesting.

I quite like the idea. I think there are issues with it, mainly regarding the conduct of non-TNP citizens, and how accountable we are for them. I also think we would have to insure it didn't turn into the militant wing of the NPA.
 
Namyeknom:
Hmmm, interesting.

I quite like the idea. I think there are issues with it, mainly regarding the conduct of non-TNP citizens, and how accountable we are for them. I also think we would have to insure it didn't turn into the militant wing of the NPA.
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The militant wing...of the military?
 
Well, like I said, any suggestions for oversight would be great.

I for one do not intend this to become a militant wing, and would hold all the members to the same high standards that the NPA is traditionally held to, with the exception of RA membership.
 
No, this unit is specifically kept separate from the NPA.

Its also not multi-regional, it just would include members of other regions who would obviously be here as individuals, not representatives of other regions.

If we wanted a mulitregional force, it would have to be done through the Azure Articles or some future treaty organization and would not be under the exclusive control of The North Pacific.
 
Outer Kharkistania:
No, this unit is specifically kept separate from the NPA.

Its also not multi-regional, it just would include members of other regions who would obviously be here as individuals, not representatives of other regions.

If we wanted a mulitregional force, it would have to be done through the Azure Articles or some future treaty organization and would not be under the exclusive control of The North Pacific.
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Okay.

So this is a separate army that would include people from other regions that are also taking part in this region?

Why wouldn't they just join the NPA if they are also going to be here as individuals?

I am just curious.
 
Basically, that would require full membership in the region, and there are some people that might not want that.

However, we will be actively encouraging anyone who takes part in the program to join the region at large, at which point they could join the NPA.

Also, if we have trouble finding recruits, we could come up with some sort of small academy that would provide military training as an incentive for people to want to join the organization. While this means that it might have a high turnover rate with people not staying in the Legion for very long, that would not necessarily be a bad thing as it would prevent the people in charge of the Legion from consolidating some kind of loyal private army or something.
 
The North Pacific stands alone in its defense against totalitarianism and imperialism and the threat to democracy and freedom that recent events pose.
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I don't see why we have to keep standing alone in defense of others when we can't even control our RMB or keep a functioning and viable government.

I like the idea of the Legion...I wanted to use it to boost activity...but I am opposed to this wording. I will not support this in this form.

I suggest that the RA work to get this worded properly. Lets use this discussion to improve the proposal. This is not a touchy subject where we need to use a vote as a "barometer of public support." I hope that we can get this retouched and presented for approval from the RA.
 
Yes, I'd like some more RA members to weigh in on this.

However, I think the wording is just fine, but I'm keeping an open mind to all substantive suggestions.
 
I quite like the idea. I think there are issues with it, mainly regarding the conduct of non-TNP citizens, and how accountable we are for them.
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I share that concern, and otherwise I would support this.
 
Tresville:
I don't see why we have to keep standing alone in defense of others when we can't even control our RMB or keep a functioning and viable government.
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I agree both of these are priorities.

I'd also say this shouldn't be an alternative to a TNP that forges stronger inter-regional relationships to achieved grater impact on the world stage.

As to the wording, I'd put down all the definite rules, and leave everything else to the discretion of the MoD, possibly to be codified later. Start it off in a trial basis, and worry about the ins and outs of structure and operation if we decide to keep it. Perhaps to start with a small management group could be formed who would be responsible for its formation, and would report back to the region on successes, failures, possible problems in the first couple of months.
 
Namyeknom:
I'd also say this shouldn't be an alternative to a TNP that forges stronger inter-regional relationships to achieved grater impact on the world stage.
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No, of course not. The whole idea is that the Legion could find regions in need by hanging out in the Player Created regions and make first contact- be the vanguard of TNP relations.

After that I presume that formal relations would be set up and we could get started on building the strong relationships you mentioned.
 
I am against this idea due to the fact as if something happens with this foreign legion we would be blamed and also it just show that this legion would be sent when the real army would stay behind.
 
I don't understand the whole idea being blamed for something members of the group may or may not do.

Frankly, the same risk exists for members of the NPA- all you have to go on is an oath and trust. If you'd like, I could rewrite this so that the Legion is a separate unit under the NPA, that way they would be under the same exact command structure.
 
RA membership is not currently a requirement for NPA membership. I don't foresee very many people moving to join this if it were to be implemented.
 
Give it a short trial period like Nameyekom suggested and I can guarantee you won't be disappointed.

After that, we could have another vote to disband it, stick it in the NPA, or whatever else the RA wants to do with it.

Besides, you can't deny how cool having a Foreign Legion would be. :P
 
Outer Kharkistania:
Give it a short trial period like Nameyekom suggested and I can guarantee you won't be disappointed.

After that, we could have another vote to disband it, stick it in the NPA, or whatever else the RA wants to do with it.

Besides, you can't deny how cool having a Foreign Legion would be. :P
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When your ready with the final language, I'll schedule a vote.
 
I'm going to wait until we have a new minister of defense. I'm considering the idea of creating it as an internal unit of the NPA, in which case all current laws regarding the NPA would apply to the foreign regiment or whatever you want to call it.

If the Minister of Defense agrees, it could be created as an internal act of the NPA without requiring RA intervention as it would require no new laws.

There would also be the advantages of strong oversight and definitive expectations regarding the volunteers, so people's concerns about oversight would largely be abated.
 
Shouldnt we perhaps get some NPA members before even considering this?

You cant build on an army that has very few numbers!

The NPA can be used for the purposes of whatever we need them to do.


KR
 
KingRoss:
Shouldnt we perhaps get some NPA members before even considering this?

You cant build on an army that has very few numbers!

The NPA can be used for the purposes of whatever we need them to do.


KR
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I think thats probably a better move, I couldn't even find somewhere to apply!
 
The concept is great, but not new, and both the pros, and cons, have been discussed, maybe not publicly though, before.

I would like to address a few points for the RAs consideration, as well as OK and anyone else, and I welcome critisism, trust me, I am used to it.

Also, sorry for the punctuation and grammer, bit late where I am.

1) Information Security: By allowing foreign nations, none of which have any possibility of being remotley vetted, join, causes a major security breach. There is nothing stopping an enemy operative penetrating the FL and relaying information back to his bossess regarding targets and planned ops, as well as this, if they know there is going to be a strike in one region, where are we pulling the forces from, as a result, a weakened garrison may be targetted whilst a diversion made.

2) Ability to Subvert Populace: An enemy operative within the foreign legion portraying a negative image to the region, then seeing other operatives coming in, exploiting this attitude and image, may see a population subverted and as a result, sucumb to enemy control.

3) Realiability: A FL would rely on other nations, from other regions, to assist in operations. If they were to come under attack, or not have the resources to properly defend their region, we would loose numbers. I am tipping that FL volunteers would be from a concentrated regional pool, and as a result, military plans would be relying on an unstable, uncommitable force, especially at this stage if it is the intention to leave NPA assests within TNP.

4) Inability to commit to a sustained defence: If we have foreign members holding regions for us, and as stated before, a crisis occurs in their own, or what they consider, a more valuable, region, we could be left with insufficient numbers tO hold what we have seized.

We should be gearing our focus towards bolstering NPA numbers and uniting what is left of the 'free regions' into a co-alition. Alot of smaller regions specilise in either intel or military operations, and there are alot of zealos defenders out there who would welcome the support of a feeder in their operations.
As a region, we have a unique place as a world leader, and we should use this. Yes, we might not have direct command, or have a 'rapid response force', but isn't that what the NPA is for? Replacing a deteriated capability with an interchangable, unproven one will not solve the problem. Fix the NPA, so they can be deployed instantly, undertake endo campaigns to secure numbers in TNP, and once the NPA secures a region, worry about getting allied support, and once that is done, re-deploy the NPA, keep the van gaurd in and send in stablising forces to assist in building the region rather then defend and run. Defending is the Tactic, Sustainable development has to be the stratergy.

Yes it is a good idea, but it re-directs resources from where the NPA needs it most. As a region, we have to develop stratergies and shy away from the so easy quick fixes. The FL presents way to much of a risk to both military and regional security, and effort in our conventional force, and its support network will see alot more effective campaigns then superificial numbers and headlines.

Keep it Real

Mesian
 
I agree with Mesian not only is foreign membership a potential security risk, but the wording of this document alienates the other free regions. As Cisco said The North Pacific government needs to become viable, which I believe it is on its way to becoming. The TNP should be working to gain international cooperation, especially with TWP, I know tensions are strained right now over the Empire but I believe that time will pass as we all see it was not an action of TWP government.

TNP and TWP are both members of the NTO we should use that as a way to unify the free regions.
 
Well in that case the NTO has failed and a new system must take its place to be able to manage inter-regional incidents. Obviously these problems trying to be addressed by the FL need more then a band aid fix.
 
Yeah, and this was never meant to be a band aid, but a small scale policy in conjunction with the sort of stuff you mentioned, Mesian.

Basically, it was intended as a back door for regions to send troops to help us without them declaring war on our enemies and getting themselves completely involved. The idea is that large numbers of their military would be declared "volunteers", and that their region would not be responsible for what they did while under our command.

But, whatever. This doesn't seem to have much support, so I won't push it. If someone else wants to pursue it or bring it to a vote, feel free.
 
Mesian:
Well in that case the NTO has failed and a new system must take its place to be able to manage inter-regional incidents. Obviously these problems trying to be addressed by the FL need more then a band aid fix.
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The NTO has no policy. It's the New Tao Order. Well I shouldn't say it has no policy. Obviously an NTO region has to hate pouchies. :D

Anyway, it's not a matter of regional alliances, it's just regions that Tao has invited to join.
 
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