TNP WA Proposal?[Archived]

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Of late, the World Assembly has had no proposals being voted on. I looked over the proposals that can be nominated, and all the ones I saw were terrible.

I am thinking that we, the North Pacific, can take a stab at this by drafting some worthy Resolutions. We certainly have the legalese expertise :lol: .

So, please vote for some of these options, of if you don't like the idea, for None.

If you select "Other" please describe what you mean, and if you select Repeal, please name a Resolution and explain why you wish to repeal it.

Have at it!

EDIT: Added 2 additional "None" options so people can put all 3 of their votes in "None" to prevent stacking the deck in favor of not None. :duh: (Turns out the counter of votes counts the number of votes, not voters) To vote None, check off all 3 None options.
 
Domnonia is interested in the idea of fair comment protections, which would fall under the Free Speech value in his Honourable Mister Delegates poll.

We have brought up this idea within another region, with little response(blamed either on ill-foundedness or lack of activity in that particular region).

With some recent events in my RL country in mind, I've been mulling over whether or not a resolution that protects the rights not of speech, perse, but of commentary would be appropriate.

The idea itself would be to set out a few rules for what could be considered fair comment, ie: public interest, based on fact, obvious commentary. An unless clause would provide some allusion to malicious intent, where comment is made for an indirect or improper motive not connected with the purpose of said comment.

Who would this protect? The citizenry, yes. But more directly, it would protect journalists, satirists, and social commentators, critics, and cartoonists, from libel suits and censorship(whether that be imposed by the state or self).

What is the real world issue?

The issue of balance is raised here in the context of a “shock jock” radio talk show hosted by the appellant Rafe Mair, a well-known and sometimes controversial commentator on matters of public interest in British Columbia. The target of his “editorial” on October 25, 1999 was the respondent Kari Simpson, a widely known social activist. The context was public debate over the introduction of materials dealing with homosexuality into public schools. Mair and Simpson took opposing sides in the debate about whether the purpose of this initiative was to teach tolerance of homosexuality or to promote a homosexual lifestyle. Simpson was a leading public figure in the debate, and the trial judge found that she had a public reputation as a leader of those opposed to any positive portrayal of a gay lifestyle. The nub of Simpson’s complaint is the following portion of the Rafe Mair editorial broadcast on October 25, 1999:
Before Kari was on my colleague Bill Good’s show last Friday I listened to the tape of the parents’ meeting the night before where Kari harangued the crowd.  It took me back to my childhood when with my parents we would listen to bigots who with increasing shrillness would harangue the crowds. For Kari’s homosexual one could easily substitute Jew.  I could see Governor Wallace – in my mind’s eye I could see Governor Wallace of Alabama standing on the steps of a schoolhouse shouting to the crowds that no Negroes would get into Alabama schools as long as he was governor.  It could have been blacks last Thursday night just as easily as gays.  Now I’m not suggesting that Kari was proposing or supporting any kind of holocaust or violence but neither really – in the speeches, when you think about it and look back – neither did Hitler or Governor Wallace or [Orval Faubus] or Ross Barnett.  They were simply declaring their hostility to a minority.  Let the mob do as they wished.

The Supreme Court found in favour of Mair, reiterating the idea of 'Fair Comment'.

Now, is this something that could proceed before the World Assembly? Is this something that TNP would support? The WA/UN has dealt with Free Speech and such in the past, and this being an obvious extension of such principles, I see no reason why it would not do the WA justice.

Thoughts?

ps; wonderful to see the Delegate bring this discussion to fruition, as certainly all are aware of and concerned for the recent dry-spell afflicting our worldly body.
 
The Community of Locutecians would like to ban gambling. We feel that this promotes crime in our region.
 
The Community of Locutecians would like to ban gambling. We feel that this promotes crime in our region.
So a lottery ticket is going to make me want to go around shoot people?

(sorry, but expect highly contentious debates in this region)
 
The Community of Locutecians would like to ban gambling. We feel that this promotes crime in our region.
So a lottery ticket is going to make me want to go around shoot people?

(sorry, but expect highly contentious debates in this region)
No, no, I understand the debate on the issue. My point is, when you legalize gambling you create zones of tremendous crime potential. The purchase of a lottery ticket isn't going to make anyone do anything wrong, but when the only places willing to sell those lottery tickets are sleazy corner gas stations selling beer and wine, the likeliness of some backwoods drunk getting into a brawl over a $1 lottery ticket in a get-rich-quick scam is much more likely. The installation of casinos and gambling establishments also promotes heavy drinking and the likeliness that a violent outburst will occur is greater when the parties involved have consumed high levels of alcohol.

I think as a whole, it's a pretty proven fact that areas where gambling is legal have a higher crime rate than others. The Community of Locutecians would rather not have that type of crime.
 
Then the people of Locutecians should do as it pleases in terms of gambling, however Gambling is not only one of the major industries in many nations of the the North Pacific but will still occur whether in government regulated Casinos or in the back alleys by loan sharks. If violence breaks out, then it is better in the view and protection of a government owned institution than in some illicit criminal enterprise.

If addiction occurs then it is in the purview of the medical community to the help them instead of have the addicts go into hiding, slowly spiraling out of control of fear of repercussions for an illicit act.

Each nation needs to take a hard look at gambling in their nations but this view should not be rammed down the throats of all North Pacificans.
 
Each nation needs to take a hard look at gambling in their nations but this view should not be rammed down the throats of all North Pacificans.
Thankfully the issue has not been brought up at this time, but let's also not go on the flip side of the coin and force NPers to promote or legalize gambling. As long as each nation is able to make this decision on their own, we can refrain from attempting to force our view on the rest of the region.
 
True, I only bring it up because while Gambling isn't a major industry in my nation but growing up Catholic there were many a charity casino or bingo. Now if you disagree, that's totally in your right.

But I just think we can do more good under our control than prohibition.
 
How about internet freedoms over internet regulations?
By internet regulations I meant setting up the NS equivalent of ICANN, and perhaps banning things like the Great Firewall, not regulating internet content.
In Canada, we're having a big problem with "throttling." Where even though I'm paying $150 for a dsl line, my connection is slowed to 1mb/1sec because of fears that I'm hogging the network with bittorrents. (I just like streaming movies and tv shows is all.)

Privacy earmarks also, no one but me should care about what I type into google or what I'm downloading.

Lastly price gouging, no specific limitations come to mind but our iPhone just came out with a the main plan being $60 for 150 minutes and 400mb of data (Cdn dollar is at parity with the greenback.)

Would like all this added in.
 
How about a resolution guaranteeing the sovereignty of individual nations to do whatever they want to do withing their own borders without so much as a 'by your leave' from the WA? :w00t:
 
How about a resolution guaranteeing the sovereignty of individual nations to do whatever they want to do withing their own borders without so much as a 'by your leave' from the WA? :w00t:
Well what about natural rights? What about the universal protection of the weak from the strong?

The very first codified law was the Code Hammurabi and in it's preface, before it spoke of any specific laws it stated its intention “to bring about the rule of righteousness in the land, so that the strong should not harm the weak.”
 
Hows about:

THE TNP RESOLUTION OF UNIVERSAL RIGHTS

Catergory: Stating the Obvious      Effects: Long Overdue

NOTING that in all the world there is no such land as fair or as great as The North Pacific.

ACCEPTING that the all the best nations reside within The North Pacific.

CONCLUDING that the WA and indeed Nationstates are blinded by the brilliance of The North Pacific, while simultaneously being better for just being in proximity to it.

HEARBY:

1. ESTABLISHES that The North Pacific is universally right about everything.

2. CREATING the "SUPAR SECKSIE" award,  that all nations of The North Pacific are entitled to.

3. RECOMMENDING that if you have a problem with this, you take a long walk off a short pier.
 
How about a resolution guaranteeing the sovereignty of individual nations to do whatever they want to do withing their own borders without so much as a 'by your leave' from the WA?  :w00t:
Well what about natural rights? What about the universal protection of the weak from the strong?

The very first codified law was the Code Hammurabi and in it's preface, before it spoke of any specific laws it stated its intention “to bring about the rule of righteousness in the land, so that the strong should not harm the weak.”
Well, it's a nice idea, but I tend to be very Realpolitik lately unto the point of being Nietzschian. :P



@ Monkeyman...


Great resolution! I'm all for that one!

Although it should be modified as such:




THE TNP RESOLUTION OF UNIVERSAL RIGHTS

Catergory: Stating the Obvious      Effects: Long Overdue

NOTING that in all the world there is no such land as fair or as great as The North Pacific.

ACCEPTING that the all the best nations reside within The North Pacific.

CONCLUDING that the WA and indeed Nationstates are blinded by the brilliance of The North Pacific, while simultaneously being better for just being in proximity to it.

HEARBY:

1. ESTABLISHES that The North Pacific is universally right about everything.

2. CREATING the "SUPAR SECKSIE" award,  that all nations of The North Pacific are entitled to.

3.  RECOMMENDING that if you have a problem with this, you take a long walk off a short pier. We are your Gods. Do our bidding or be doomed to an eternity in New Jersey (Exit 15 on the Turnpike, just under the Pulaski Skyway)!*


*I'm not from New Jersey, thank God! :D
 
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