Citizen?

But you will not be able to voted if I am correct. I think TNP have not concept of Citizen here....or the RA membership is considered to be citizen!?
 
I don't want to vote or more accurately, I am unable to sign the oath in good conscience(sp?) at this time.
 
I consider every nation in TNP a citizen. Each is afforded all the rights and protections preserved in the Bill of Rights. RA members are simply those citizens who have registered to vote.

Punk, I find it interesting that you would in good conscience take an oath to bow before the Crimson King, yet perceive something odious with regards to the RA oath. By comparison, the RA oath seems rather innocuous. Any particular part of it you don't like?
 
I have no objection to having a user group on the forum for resident citizens of TNP who elect, for whatever reason, not to join the RA.

I'd rather have the additional user group and thereby encourage their participation in the forum, than not have it and have less activity as a result.

If we do this then the new user group would not have access to post in the RA forum, public or private, and would only be permitted to read the public RA forum. They would have access to other public governmental areas of the forum as well. If someone chooses to join the NPA, or the Diplomatic Corps, or some other function that does not require RA membership, that can be addressed with permissions for such a new user group as well.

The Bill of Rights makes a point of voluntary participation in the affairs of the region, so in my mind such an accommodation enhances, rather than distracts from the aims of a democratic government and society which is envisioned by the Bill of Rights.
 
I would be interested in that kind of thing.

I don't have the time or patience to get involved in the voting and such, but an acknowledgment of "belonging" in some way would be nice. Poke me via PM if you decide to go with that idea.
 
I've decided to move this thread to an area of the forum that gets higher traffic in order to encourage greater discussion of this idea

Input desired, folks..
 
I like your idea Grosseschnauzer and can be a good way to help the activity here.

I consider every nation in TNP a citizen. Each is afforded all the rights and protections preserved in the Bill of Rights. RA members are simply those citizens who have registered to vote.
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10. Each Nation entitled to a vote in any manner under the fundamental laws of the region is entitled to the equal treatment and protection of that Nation's right to vote.
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Hum, It's seem that is not propely correct. They are protected by the Bill of right but are not able to vote because they have not the RA membership. Or the Deleguate position is vote by any citizen or just the RA?

I think that each citizen must be entitled with the same power of RA BUT...

RA membership is a way to see who are the people ready to be active and vote, no?
 
It's kind of like in the US. in order to vote you have to be registered. But even those who are not registered voters have the right to free speech, religious freedom, etc. Lots of people don't register to vote. It isn't mandatory. They are still citizens.
 
Yes B, I thought so as well.

To GBM it's not the innocuousness - if that's a word - of the Constitution but more a principle. I am of the belief that this constitution does not work for the people but indeed against it.

I did believe that the aims of the Crimson Order would have worked for the good of the people of TNP. We can argue that point, but I just find that at this point in time, I'd be acting hypocritically if I took the oath.

I have no desire for positions or standings - i've done alot for the region and do continue to want to remain in the region. But right now, this constitution and those that are upholding it in my eyes, need to prove that it will work for the best for TNP.

Having said that I'd still like to be a citizen of TNP able to state an opinion on topics of the day from time to time and contribute wherever I can. I think Grosse's idea and what TNP used to have would work fine.
 
I think the idea of having a class/designation of "TNP" citizen (for forum purposes) be bestowed upon anyone who lives in the region. However, the caveat should be that such a designation doesn't imply that those without the designation aren't citizens. We wouldn't want the forum class of "TNP Citizen" to be used as a political tool to claim that anyone is being denied citizenship.

Perhaps we could define 'citizen' as anyone who resides in TNP who is not part of a foreign invasion force that moves in and is primarily a resident of TNP (that is, anyone who keeps and maintains a nation here).
 
My intention is that any TNP resident-nation/player who doesn't wish to join the RA, but maintains at least one puppet in TNP at all times can choose to be placed in this new user group. The player will have to ask for it, though.

The one thing I still need is a badge similar to the others for this group. It should just read "TNP Citizen" with no pips on the badge. Any volunteers?
 
Remember the lessons of history. Any system that attempts to define "citizen" and isnt all inclusive, as well as becoming some sort of RA-underclass, is open to rank abuse and the ability to exclude those who dont agree with the leaders of the day
 
We now have a "TNP Citisen" user group for those who are TNP Residents who don't want to join the Regional Assembly. They have the same access to the forums as a except for (a) they cannot post in the public RA forums and (b) they cannot see the private RA forums.

They also get one of these:
TNP_Citizen.GIF


I'll open a thread in rhe Registration and Membership subforum so those of you who want to be placed in this new user group can post a request. If possible let us know the name of your resident TNP nation. Thanks!
 
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