Endorsement cap policy

What's funny is when they cry democracy, they forget to mention that they elected Lewis and Clark, and that Lewis and Clark is just doing his job. :lol:

They're just pissy because Lewis and Clark is threatening to remove Roman and his kind from their comfy seats of power.

Sad sad, Roman :bye:
 
Agamemnon Mustang:
What's funny is when they cry democracy, they forget to mention that they elected Lewis and Clark, and that Lewis and Clark is just doing his job.  :lol:

They're just pissy because Lewis and Clark is threatening to remove Roman and his kind from their comfy seats of power.

Sad sad, Roman  :bye:
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I elected him to be the delegate according to the Constitution, not to overthrow the Constitution and declare himself dictator.

You truly are a moron.

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And you had better pray that I never decide to seek real power because you and your kind would be out of the region forever.

Oh, wait, I will now go after the Delegate's seat and show you exactly how democracy will beat you thugs every time.
 
Any constitution stays at the whim of the delegate. :duh: The mechanics of the delegacy supersedes community tripe.

Don't like this delegate? Well vote for a new one!


Yea, I'll believe you becoming delegate when I see it. You speak a lot of big words, but it doesn't look like you've got the big cajones to back it up.
 
You have missed the point entirely.

You assume that because you can seize power like a thug that people will support you let alone that you can hold onto it for more than a fleeting moment.

Sic gloria transit mundi, fool.
 
*looks around*

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*wonders who seized power*

Looks to me like he was democratically elected! It also looks to me that he has more support than your few members of the Old Guard.

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Apparently, Glenon is up to his old tricks.

Not only does he not realize that the Constitution is the law of the land (heads up: this applies in RL as well as NS) and that no one is above it, but he's once again trying to divide another region to try and destroy it.

So it was with The Grenvali United, so it comes again.
 
Actually, so far the region is doing much better.

We have nicer forums, our admin aren't refusing to mask government members, and we don't have Flem creating fake raider groups in order to bait the region into conflict.

Actually, so far it looks like the opposition is the part that getting divided. Roman is already jockying for Great Blight Mum's position, and someone has created a parallel opposition movement that has declared both the rightful government and the z13 forums to be illegitimate.
 
Outer Kharkistania:
Actually, so far the region is doing much better.

We have nicer forums, our admin aren't refusing to mask government members, and we don't have Flem creating fake raider groups in order to bait the region into conflict.

Actually, so far it looks like the opposition is the part that getting divided. Roman is already jockying for Great Blight Mum's position, and someone has created a parallel opposition movement that has declared both the rightful government and the z13 forums to be illegitimate.
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That's great and all, but what's your new forum going to do? Post in the chat threads all day? Invade other regions? Make pie?

You've decided to remove the invader/defender dynamic, but you've replaced it with nothing.

And it STILL doesn't change the fact that Glenon destroyed TGU with this kind of tactic.
 
We're working on developing an RP economy system, a better newspaper, a system of other non-government roleplay type things, a system of districts based on the old People's Republic of the Pacific, a functioning university, among other things.

As for the invading/defending/military game, we cannot even begin to start thinking about that until we have a bit more distance between us and GBM. We're mainly going to attempt an antispam campaign and other fun stuff to get the common nation more involved. Hearts and minds is the name of the game, and there are still plenty of undecided and politically apathetic nations to reach out to.
 
RP economy = unfeasible
Newspaper = useless without, you know, invading/defending news to report
Roleplay in general = better left to the jolt forums
PRP = oh yeah, real TNP like there.
Functioning university = teaching what?

You think you're the first to try these things? Hardly.
 
RP economy = feasible using Invision Power Boards Store/Army system
Newspaper= We're reporting on news throughout NS
Roleplay= Jolt Sucks. Seriously, ever been to #draftroom?
PRP= You have a slight point, but used correctly, we can really involve the residents of the region
Functioning University= We got a Greek Class, a physics class, and an NS101 class so far.

:P
 
It seems to me that the rogue government is doing what every other rogue government does. They claim to be bringing something new to the table and yet they are bascailly copying the PRP. What the PRP started was orginal and well they had the creativity and brilliance to pull it off, i seriously doubt WW has either of those.
 
I'm starting to think that it might be best if this thread was moved over to the Ebtertainment District or to the Cafe. It has seriously headed off to a different topic and moving it might be easier and fairer to everyone at this point.
 
Agamemnon Mustang:
*looks around*

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*wonders who seized power*

Looks to me like he was democratically elected! It also looks to me that he has more support than your few members of the Old Guard.

??????? ??????????? ??? ????? ??? ???, ???????, ?????? ???????.
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Pardon my historical reference and for the historical fact I am about to enlighten you with...

Franco, Mussolini, Hitler and Stalin were democratically elected.

So were Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein and Idi Amin.

And I won't accept the argument that my statement of fact is offensive because it is true.

It's time we all stand up to self appointed Gods who declare themselves Kings.
 
I really do hate when people start bringing RL like this into a game. What happens in RL is irrelevant. You can't place it side by side with politics in NS and expect it to line up at all.

I can't possibly reply to that because the two philosophies don't coincide. I have my real RL philosophy and I have my NS political philosophy.

Really, Roman, have you run out of arguments that you need to start bringing RL into the mix?

Far as I'm concerned, Pol Pot, Stalin, etc. don't exist and I have no idea what you're talking about. :eyebrow:
 
New Kervoskia:
Romanoffia:
Disturbing the status quo and disturb a lot of people.
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You, Gross, FALK, and Sniffles? Hell of a lot of people. Didn't know you made up the entire region. You must lay off the carbs, dear.
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Go away. You have abrogated your voice here by becoming a traitor and adhering to a rogue Delegate.

I hear nothing more that you have to say because you are a powermongering petty toady to a dictatorial thug who fashions himself a monarch.

PFFFFT!!
 
Honeysheep:
Can we not have a rogue delegate without the historical murderer references? please?

(Hello world btw!)
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That's exactly the references we need to bring up because that is exactly what these types are all about albeit metaphorically.

I believe in calling a spade a spade. Anyone who knows me knows that I will not shy off to be 'politically correct'. If anyone is offended by the metaphor, it is their problem not anyone elses.
 
Agamemnon Mustang:
I really do hate when people start bringing RL like this into a game. What happens in RL is irrelevant. You can't place it side by side with politics in NS and expect it to line up at all.

I can't possibly reply to that because the two philosophies don't coincide. I have my real RL philosophy and I have my NS political philosophy.
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Yes, the political simulation game that takes its basis from the real world can never involve examples of the real world at all.

But you'll fail anyway, like EM and every other rogue delegate group before you.
 
Surely eventual failure isn't the point?
Look at the forum- have we been this active in months? Hey..I'm back, and this must be a good thing, right? :P
 
Honeysheep:
Surely eventual failure isn't the point?
Look at the forum- have we been this active in months? Hey..I'm back, and this must be a good thing, right? :P
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Yes, and I'm sure that just like in RL, where countries that are politically unstable are the most active in the international newsosphere, TNP will continue that proud tradition.

I do think I will tire of this, though, if every single frickin election we'll need to stop another rogue delegate.
 
1)Stalin wasnt elected. He assumed power having removed Trosky, Zamniev etc one by one.


2) Yays. Honeysheep


3) How the hell does the CO remove the invader defemder system? That died long ago. TNP hasnt had an influential defender background for months and months. If anything this just adds interest to the gameplay side
 
Romanoffia:
Pardon my historical reference and for the historical fact I am about to enlighten you with...

Franco, Mussolini, Hitler and Stalin were democratically elected.

So were Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein and Idi Amin.

And I won't accept the argument that my statement of fact is offensive because it is true.

It's time we all stand up to self appointed Gods who declare themselves Kings.
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Incorrect.

Hitler, Mussolini basically yes.

Franco to a degree because he had to win the civil war to do it.

Saying Stalin was democratically elected is ridiculous. He wasn't Lenin's successor; only getting into power through his control of the party machine.

Pol Pot was never elected, his party took power by force.

Saddam Hussein participated in a coup against the previous Iraqi regime becoming Vice President, he then took power when the weak President resigned.

Idi Amin led a coup.

Come on, if you're going to "state the facts", at least get them right.
 
Emperor Matthuis:
Romanoffia:
Pardon my historical reference and for the historical fact I am about to enlighten you with...

Franco, Mussolini, Hitler and Stalin were democratically elected.

So were Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein and Idi Amin.

And I won't accept the argument that my statement of fact is offensive because it is true.

It's time we all stand up to self appointed Gods who declare themselves Kings.
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Incorrect.

Hitler, Mussolini basically yes.

Franco to a degree because he had to win the civil war to do it.

Saying Stalin was democratically elected is ridiculous. He wasn't Lenin's successor; only getting into power through his control of the party machine.

Pol Pot was never elected, his party took power by force.

Saddam Hussein participated in a coup against the previous Iraqi regime becoming Vice President, he then took power when the weak President resigned.

Idi Amin led a coup.

Come on, if you're going to "state the facts", at least get them right.
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Historically speaking, you are correct when it comes down to it. While I don't have much sympathy for the historical Franco or Mussolini, at least they were battling against Socialists.

I've often POed a number of people by pointing out that Franco and Mussolini were Fascists and that Hitler and Stalin were really Socialists.

OOC: I went to Spain on a family vacation in 1974 and I actually got to see Franco speak publicly. While I don't agree with his use of coercion to the extreme he took it, he did try to establish a lingua franca so as to solidify the culture of Spain into a unified culture. He went wild with it in most aspects, but essentially his main goal was to preserve Spanish culture. Had he chose a more democratic way to do this, he would have been treated better by history. Oh, and if wasn't for his thug methods he would have been considered a great man.

In pragmatic terms, Franco did hold his country together vie economic fascism and kept Spain from falling victim to what Germany and Italy fell to. His social policies could have been enacted without the violence he resorted to if he had only played his cards right. Otto von Bismarck would have been proud at his survival and the survival of his regime to this day. I wouldn't want to live under the results of his rule, but Franco was indeed on the ball.

Funny how we can admire people like Franco when we also despise him as a human being.
 
Lewis and Clark:
The higher the level of endorsements that are allowed, the more you risk having nations with Influence levels that cannot be removed by the delegate, or reduce the delegate's effectiveness by draining Influence.
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Sorry the grave dig this one out, but I thought that was funny...
 
flemingovia:
One thing I would add: while we have had occasions when nations have overtaken the delegate, through abusing trust or through inattention, the greater risk to the region has been sitting delegates who have decided to go rogue, like Cathyy or Dalimbar. It could be argued that if we strictly enforce an endocap, it makes the constitution well nigh irrelevant, since the delegate would be so secure that they could go rogue at will.

Secure from invasion means secure from removal by natives also, especially if the delegate calls on outside armies for help.
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As long as we're gravedigging, we may as well reprise Flem's post. It's a big fat "I told you so!" :lol:
 
There is this fable, which I only remember in a very garbled form. The fox told the rabbit: "That hole you are digging is way too small. Who the hell will fit in there?" The rabbit replied: "I will. You won't. So all is as it should be."
 
Ermarian:
There is this fable, which I only remember in a very garbled form. The fox told the rabbit: "That hole you are digging is way too small. Who the hell will fit in there?" The rabbit replied: "I will. You won't. So all is as it should be."
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:clap: That's so fitting! I've always been against an endocap. :bunny:
 
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