Gun control

Guns? How do you mean, guns?

Like, things that shoot bullets and so?

Why control them, as no-one is allowed to posess them anyway?


:D


(Btw, this is just one of the multiple reasons Im soooo glad to not live in the US :P)
 
Give every American over the age of 18 a Short range* guided missile with a low yield nuclear warhead. If they can be trusted with guns, where's the problem?

It is their right to bear arms, and I am sure the founding fathers would have wanted them to be able to defend themselves as vigorously as possible.

*So they can't hit me.
 
AI brings up a good point, not get too shrill I'm sure even the greatest gun rights advocates don't support giving guns to 3 yr olds, the violently mentally ill, or violent felons.
 
Why not? The right to get shot is part of the American dream.

PS and you are wrong about the three year olds. Google search "Bubba Illinois permit" and you will read a story about a baby issued with a gun permit in the USA.

My personal opinion is that the parents should be shot for naming their son "Bubba", but that is whole other issue.
 
I would say that the right to bear arms was intended to allow the people the means to overthrow an oppressive government, but we can't even muster the motivation to protest effectively any more, so why would we need guns?
 
flemingovia:
Why not? The right to get shot is part of the American dream.

PS and you are wrong about the three year olds. Google search "Bubba Illinois permit" and you will read a story about a baby issued with a gun permit in the USA.

My personal opinion is that the parents should be shot for naming their son "Bubba", but that is whole other issue.
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Eh, you're looking at it with cultural blinders on. Just because the government of the UK doesn't trust their citizens with guns doesn't mean that the same is true in the US. ;D

Frankly, the only people that fear an armed citizenry is the government. Governments prefer unarmed citizens.

So, obviously I am against gun control as it pertains to law abiding citizens. I think that law abiding citizens should be allowed to own, possess and carry (if necessary) appropriate firearms for defense against criminals.

One of the given rights detailed by the US Declaration of Independence and sustained by the 2nd, 9th and 10th Amendments to the US constitution is the right of the People (individual law abiding citizens) to keep and bear arms.

What was the first thing Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini and Franco did when they came to power? Disarmed the law abiding citizen. And that's why the Declaration of Independence says:

"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

This is the basic founding principle of the US - the right to alter and/or abolish and replace and oppressive government by force of arms if that government prevents legitimate change. And that's why the Colonies revolted against British rule. The first battle of that war at Lexington and Concord was the direct result of the King's Army trying to disarm the people. Simply trampling people's rights into the ground is very easy if the people have no means of resistance to an oppressive government. And the fact that the US population is so heavily armed is the only reason we haven't deteriorated into a socialist Orwellian hell.

Just look at that stats - ever notice that wherever people in the US are disarmed by local laws violent crime is at its highest rates?

Disarming law abiding citizens does nothing but leave them defenseless to criminals and thugs. Laws are for the law abiding and disarming those who obey the law does not prevent criminals from getting guns. Criminals will always get guns no matter what laws you put in place.

From a personal point of view - I own a large collection of firearms ranging from the antique to the most modern. I have a concealed carry permit in my state (and we can carry a sidearm without a permit if it is in the open and have no legal disabilities to the contrary). At least twice I have had my life saved by the very fact that I was carrying a handgun and at least two other times the lives of others were save by the fact that I carry a sidearm. The point being that a lot more people's lives are saved in the US because of firearms than are taken by them - a lot more than are taken.

If you really want to save lives, disarm governments and police and make automobiles illegal. What the anti-firearm rights people don't tell you is that about 60% of all the people killed by firearms are killed by the police - and 90% of those shot by the police are unarmed. Statistically speaking, you don't have to worry all that much about being shot by a criminal - you have to worry about the police 'accidentally' shooting you. ;D

Oh, and my gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car. ;)
 
Actually, Roman, I have been arguing consistently that the American people should be given short-range nukes. I believe that is the spirit of the second Amendment.

If the 2nd Amendment is to allow the Americans to overthrow the government if needed, then you are going to need more than semi-automatics to do that. Your Government has 9,960 nuclear warheads. Give Bubba a nuke now, otherwise he will never really be safe.
 
I was just looking at the stats of LA vs NYC...and i know how easy it is to get a gun permit and a concealed carry permit in LA...in NYC its VERY difficult, and expensive to get a gun, much less a permit to carry, and the crime rates are much lower. Althought i agree with Roman, and feel that citizens who have no history of felony or mental illness should be able obtain arms and the permits to carry them relativly easily, there is no compelling evidence that i have found showing that when its easier for law abiding citizens to carry guns that there are lower rates of murder, assault and robbery.
 
Rocketman:
I was just looking at the stats of LA vs NYC...and i know how easy it is to get a gun permit and a concealed carry permit in LA...in NYC its VERY difficult, and expensive to get a gun, much less a permit to carry, and the crime rates are much lower. Althought i agree with Roman, and feel that citizens who have no history of felony or mental illness should be able obtain arms and the permits to carry them relativly easily, there is no compelling evidence that i have found showing that when its easier for law abiding citizens to carry guns that there are lower rates of murder, assault and robbery.
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Yeah, there are a few inaccuracies in his argument. Another is that homeowners who have guns are more often than not killed by their own guns in the case of a home invasion. That was from a gun safety course I took a few years ago so I don't know if it still applies, but it probably does. Another is that the Revolutionary War was not started because Britain wanted to take our guns away.
 
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