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I'm not sure if this was intentional or not, but the Electoral Eligibility Reform really doesn't actually change anything except clarify a few points, it doesn't fix the issue that was discovered last election where any RA member can vote for Delegate.

I do think that allowing all RA members to vote for the Delegate is unwise.

Therefore here's my rough Bill:

Please note that, in order to avoid getting into an argument irrelevant with the point of this discussion, I specifically chose not to modify any other part, no matter how egregious.

TNP Law 5 Section 6 shall be amended as follows:
Section 6. Additional Procedures for Election for UN Delegate and Vice Delegate for the Region.

A - In Elections for the UN Delegate and UN Vice Delegate voters must identify a UN nation they control in the North Pacific.
B - The Nation elected as Delegate and the Nation elected as Vice Delegate under the procedures in the Constitution and the North Pacific Legal Code is are the formal designees of the region who is are to be designated as the UN Delegate and UN Vice Delegate for the Region by the voluntary endorsement of UN member Nations within the Region for the three month term upon declaration of the election in the canvass of results by the Election Commissioners.
B - C - The Election Commissioners shall include in the certificate of results a statement as to which candidate has been designated as the Delegate and the Vice Delegate in the election. The Minister of Immigration and Internal Affairs will promptly notify all UN member Nations residing in the Region of the determination of the election results. The notification will include a request to all UN member Nations to unendorse the incumbent Delegate and Vice Delegate, if necessary, and a request that they endorse the newly designated Delegate and Vice Delegate. However, no Nation may be compelled to endorse or unendorse any Nation with respect to the Regional Delegacy or the Vice Delegate. The Minister of Immigration and Internal Affairs may request the aid of any Nation he deems necessary to complete this procedure as expeditiously as possible. It is specifically intended that the newly elected Delegate and Vice Delegate are to be installed in office in accordance with NationStates procedures for the determination of a Delegate of a region within 2 weeks of the certification of the election.
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Bill Section 6.

Article III Section 1, Clause C of the Constitution is amended to read as follows:

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C - All Nations who have joined the Regional Assembly under the provisions of Article II, Section 2, of this Constitution and who reside in The North Pacific, or are active members of The North Pacific Army or The North Pacific Intelligence Agency, shall be entitled to submit a single vote for each general election regardless of UN status. Any such Nation who is both resident in The North Pacific or are active members of The North Pacific Army or The North Pacific Intelligence Agency, and is also a member of the United Nations may vote in elections for UN Delegate and Vice Delegate. No person shall be permitted to cast more than one vote, through one or more Nations.
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Eluvatar, the highlighted phrase "any such Nation" (emphasis on the word :such") in the second sentence refers to "All Nations who have joined the Regional Assembly" in the first sentence. That accomplishes exactly what you are concerned about., It adds the requirement of the second sentence to the requirement of the first sentence in order to vote in Delegate and Vice Delegate elections.
 
However it does not specify that voters must have a UN nation-- it says that those who do have one in The North Pacific are entitled to vote but it doesn't bar those who aren't from voting.
 
Well, let's have the discussion. What you should be worried about more Fulhead is that the Prime Minister says this is already the case, when law actually doing such was voted on-- simply a constitutional change that empowers the legal code to change that.
 
The second sentence specically adds the requirement that the particular Nation which is resident in The North Pacific must be a member of the United Nations:

Bill Section 6.

Article III Section 1, Clause C of the Constitution is amended to read as follows:
C - All Nations who have joined the Regional Assembly under the provisions of Article II, Section 2, of this Constitution and who reside in The North Pacific, or are active members of The North Pacific Army or The North Pacific Intelligence Agency, shall be entitled to submit a single vote for each general election regardless of UN status. Any such Nation who is both resident in The North Pacific or are active members of The North Pacific Army or The North Pacific Intelligence Agency, and is also a member of the United Nations may vote in elections for UN Delegate and Vice Delegate. No person shall be permitted to cast more than one vote, through one or more Nations.
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So: in sum:
A- to vote in the general election, the nation must be
(A) a current member of the regional assembly and
(B) reside in TNP, or be in active service with the NPA or NPIA'
B = to vote in the Delegate/Vice Delegate
(A) a current member of the regional assembly and
(B) reside in TNP, or be in active service with the NPA or NPIA,
© that resident TNP nation must be a member of the UN.
 
Mister Prime Minister, did you fail to understand what I said?

This section you quote does not say that voters for Delegate must be in UN, it says that UN nations can vote for Delegate.

Elsewhere the Constitution specifically states that nations can vote in General elections regardless of UN status.

No part of the Constitution or Legal Code forbids non-UN nations from voting in Delegate Elections.
 
The most recent legislation makes clear who may vote in Delegate/Vice Delegate elections as an affirmative statement of who can even vote and not as a negative statement. It is placed with the statement that had been transferred from the Constitution to the Legal Code which states who can vote in General elections. Elections for Delegate and Vice Delegate, while held at the same time and in the same manner as the general election have always been conducted separatey with a separate ballot/post.

The change that has passed the RA is part of the Legal Code; the duplicative change you are suggesting is likewise to the Legal Code. In the past, some people have complained to the effect that the Constitution says things twice in to places. Well, this is why, because people aren't satisfied with either an affirmative or negative statement, they end up wanted both included.
 
Grosseschnauzer:
The most recent legislation makes clear who may vote in Delegate/Vice Delegate elections as an affirmative statement of who can even vote and not as a negative statement. It is placed with the statement that had been transferred from the Constitution to the Legal Code which states who can vote in General elections. Elections for Delegate and Vice Delegate, while held at the same time and in the same manner as the general election have always been conducted separatey with a separate ballot/post.

The change that has passed the RA is part of the Legal Code; the duplicative change you are suggesting is likewise to the Legal Code. In the past, some people have complained to the effect that the Constitution says things twice in to places. Well, this is why, because people aren't satisfied with either an affirmative or negative statement, they end up wanted both included.
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I don't think I understood much of that statement.
 
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