Embassy of The East Pacific

The east pacific (the real one, not the invaders' construct) is rapidly becoming the most exciting feeder to be in - experimenting with a whole new governemnt style, based on the zulu tribal structure.

I do not know if this has ever been tried in User regions, but it is a first for the feeders.
 
Yep, it actually is.

Strangely, I got involved in TEP as a favour to a friend, but it genuinely is the thing I have got most excited about in a long time in NS.
 
flemingovia:
The east pacific (the real one, not the invaders' construct) is rapidly becoming the most exciting feeder to be in - experimenting with a whole new governemnt style, based on the zulu tribal structure.

I do not know if this has ever been tried in User regions, but it is a first for the feeders.
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I was looking at the region earlier today and the link in the WFE doesn't go to any tribal community.
 
Interesting. So you are saying that the Delegate, sitting currently in power as such in TEP, and the link in the WFE are not the actual TEP government and/or official offsite forum?

I thought the game admins/mods ruled against such issues some time ago. Anything advertized that conflicts with the Delegate supported or WFE supported offsite is considered equivalent to out of region advertizing in regards to RMB posts, therefore making them "unofficial".

Yeah, I am almost certain that is what was said...I was Delegate then.
 
Eluvatar:
I believe he opposes the sitting delegate's policies Ivan, I'm sorry if that's hard to comprehend :D
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I am certain of that, that is his way.

I probably oppose them too considering it is the ADN cadre running the show there but I have always maintained the Delegate's right to choose, whomever the Delegate happens to be.
 
Ann:
Meh, TEP is gonna fall sooner of later.
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Are there active efforts to unseat the Delegate?

I have been out of the loop for a while so I am not up 100% on what is happening but it would appear that the "opposition" isn't really in a position to do anything.

Just curious really, I support the sitting Delegate's choice of government, just as I do here. I have personal preferences that may differ from some of those being utilized but can not fault the Delegate as they have the autonomy to choose which government they support.
 
Are there active efforts to unseat the Delegate?
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yes.

Ivan, this is part of your position that I have never really understood, and I genuinely welcome the opportunity to seriously discuss it. You say that you support the delegate's choice of government, right or wrong. But surely you ought also to support another player's freedom to oppose that government. Opposition is allowed (even encouraged on the FAQ):

My region's WA Delegate is an evil dictator who ejects nations for no reason! Make him stop!
Delegates are elected: if you don't like yours, it's up to you to get him/her unelected. While in power, Delegates can use or abuse their powers as they see fit.

(bolding mine)
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I have never understood why you have supported one part of that statement: the right of the delegate to abuse their power, but opposed the other: the right of other players to rise up in opposition. To me, both are part of the gameplay; I support delegates I support, and oppose delegates I oppose.

Genuine curiosity here.
 
The EP will always be the EP, even if we have temporarily recieved a thickheaded imperial for a delegate.
 
flemingovia:
Are there active efforts to unseat the Delegate?
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yes.

Ivan, this is part of your position that I have never really understood, and I genuinely welcome the opportunity to seriously discuss it. You say that you support the delegate's choice of government, right or wrong. But surely you ought also to support another player's freedom to oppose that government. Opposition is allowed (even encouraged on the FAQ):

My region's WA Delegate is an evil dictator who ejects nations for no reason! Make him stop!
Delegates are elected: if you don't like yours, it's up to you to get him/her unelected. While in power, Delegates can use or abuse their powers as they see fit.

(bolding mine)
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I have never understood why you have supported one part of that statement: the right of the delegate to abuse their power, but opposed the other: the right of other players to rise up in opposition. To me, both are part of the gameplay; I support delegates I support, and oppose delegates I oppose.

Genuine curiosity here.
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I have never stated that players can not attempt to unseat the Delegate.

The position that I believe you have however is that simply because you don't agree with the sitting Delegate that they are "illegitimate, illegal, etc." when that is not the case.

At present, Lady Phedre is the sitting Delegate of The East Pacific. That is fact. There is no illegal or illegitimate equation, whomever is in the seat is the Delegate in fact and therefore by game mechanics the lawful Delegate.

Therefore the governmental system supported by same is the legitimate governmental system of the region. Any other "government" is not legitimate because it does not have the backing of the sitting Delegate, therefore it can not be referenced as such within the game (i.e. advertizing on the RMB is equivalent to being an extra-regional ad).

My personal opinion is that one works from within the given governmental construct to exact the change required. The most oppressive Delegate government still wants active people and those active people can exact change on some level.
 
Yeah, I personally just don't like them and see them as a problem in the International Balances of power.

Plus they are too close to Gatesville for comfort and both regions have not made their designs towards the other feeders very secret.
 
External invasion of a feeder without internal support can not work, there should be no "fear" associated with the designs of either the Empire or Gatesville in this regard.

If they have internal support and are able to topple a sitting government than that will at least have the support of some members of the region and would therefore be considered by some to be a natural progression of the political arena.

That being said, I believe both would have difficulty maintaining control over an imported Delegate. Being a feeder Delegate, even those allowing themselves to be bound by offsite constructs, tends to feed the autonomy monster. No feeder would willingly subjugate themselves to another.

At worst any such action would result in a conglomeration of equals.
 
Well Regardless, the Great East Pacific Deathmatch has begun.
come by and if you are a citizen vote for your choice for the best combatant.
and feel free to comment regardless, we dont censor folks unless they are Pron spammers then I IP ban them.
 
Namyeknom:
I never really spent any time in the pre-Empire East Pacific.

I regret that now.

:(
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As the emminent Flem said we are still there thriving as usual, and you are more than welcome to drop by, join up, and have a time.
 
Given the fact that our two regions are at war, as Delegate of The East Pacific, I would like to see this embassy be closed until such time that conflict ceases.

Lady Phedre
 
Neenee:
Given the fact that our two regions are at war, as Delegate of The East Pacific, I would like to see this embassy be closed until such time that conflict ceases.

Lady Phedre
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I do not believe that the North Pacific recognizes itself to be at war with the region "The East Pacific." I might be wrong of course.
 
*Lady Anastasia hat* Given the actions of a few of your citizens in the last little while, I hardly think we can call this a picnic in the park. Now, if you wish to put your hands over your ears and go "lalala, they don't exist", that's fine. However, the fact of the matter is that the Delegate and her government do not see that a formal avenue of communication such as this Embassy is possible at this time, given that we I am sure can both agree that there are extraordinary tensions that exist presently.
 
*Barack Obama supporter hat* Vote for Barack Obama, I support socialism, terrorism, and Marxism! Vote for Barack cause he will fix America by destroying it.
 
Dalimbar:
*Lady Anastasia hat* Given the actions of a few of your citizens in the last little while, I hardly think we can call this a picnic in the park. Now, if you wish to put your hands over your ears and go "lalala, they don't exist", that's fine. However, the fact of the matter is that the Delegate and her government do not see that a formal avenue of communication such as this Embassy is possible at this time, given that we I am sure can both agree that there are extraordinary tensions that exist presently.
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That assumes that the North Pacific sees this Embassy as an embassy to the Empire of the East Pacific. Before your Delegate asked for its closure, this Embassy was being used by the Confederated East Pacific well after the Empire took the Delegacy of the East Pacific.

I do not believe that you can dictate who's embassy this is.
 
*Eastern Flemingovia hat*

As warchief of the East Pacific, we would very much like to keep this embassy open. TEP has always valued its ties and communication with TNP, and would value this avenue of dialogue. The occupying forces oppressing the East Pacific may consider themselves to be at war with TNP, the TEP natives certainly do not.
 
Neenee:
Given the fact that our two regions are at war, as Delegate of The East Pacific, I would like to see this embassy be closed until such time that conflict ceases.

Lady Phedre
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*I don't wear different hats*

We don't recognize the legitimacy of your government. We instead choose to recognize The East Pacific Secret State/Resistance/Government in Waiting.

Therefore, we won't be closing their embassy.
 
Outer Kharkistania:
Neenee:
Given the fact that our two regions are at war, as Delegate of The East Pacific, I would like to see this embassy be closed until such time that conflict ceases.

Lady Phedre
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*I don't wear different hats*

We don't recognize the legitimacy of your government. We instead choose to recognize The East Pacific Secret State/Resistance/Government in Waiting.

Therefore, we won't be closing their embassy.
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Point of clarification; Neither you nor I represent the Ministry of External Affairs. Only Tresville currently has actual authority over this.
 
Yes that is an advantage of being one person, you dont need different hats, if you can accept the Good you do with the Bad you do you need only one hat.
Mine is a Black Boonie that I bought recently because I liked it.

I Know TWP has shut the Confederacy out of the Embassy there, Thank you for supporting Us TNP, and not recognizing the empire.
The Confederacy will remember your Loyalty.
 
At the moment, until I let the RA decide on whether or not to recognize The Empire, both parties are welcome. Fair?
 
sounds fair, thaugh I would prefer that they say nay to recognition of Them, I will accept their decision.
 
For the record i've asked in TWP in the empire and the confederacy could share the embassy, no official response yet.
 
Perhaps Ann would care to read the responses she received in said thread? It was a patently TWP response, if I do say so myself.

As a summary: a certain "saint" did a bit of war mongering and then back peddling until the whole thing collapsed into a fabulous interpretive dance featuring myself in a black leotard and Lenny on bongos with a hoard of dancing nuns as the chorus.

*puts on TWP hat because it's seksi*

Come to TWP where the thread jack has been raised to an art form! :P
 
Hey guys I come here on my own behest to wish you all a Happy Hippo Awareness Day! but I am sure teh Indaba would extend their wishes too!
 
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