Blue Wolf Marches Forth

Blue Wolf II:
So what you’re saying is that the trial would be over if both sides had just followed the rules governing the court, and yet they didn't and no action was taken against either side for such a gross abuse of the law. Whose fault is that exactly?


There really is something wrong with TNP's trial system however, and I am not talking just about the Fulhead trial, in the past other cases have taken large amounts of time and effort with little results. I myself was once selected for an impeachment trial only to be dismissed later because the trial set up took so long that a new election had started and impeachment had become a null point.
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As to your first paragraph, not mich can be done. I did point out the violationd of the gag order that the Criminal Procedure Law imposes, only to have it ignired,

And for the recordm BW, here is the link to the post where you voted for Heft's proposal link
 
Grosseschnauzer:
As to your first paragraph, not mich can be done. I did point out the violationd of the gag order that the Criminal Procedure Law imposes, only to have it ignired,
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Well, that could be part of the problem, the fact that we have laws that either can't or will not be enforced.

Grosseschnauzer:
And for the recordm BW, here is the link to the post where you voted for Heft's proposal link
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Oh good, I voted for it, I would have felt like an ass if I had voted against it :P

Regardless, Heft proposed a change in Criminal Procedure but that does not mean my proposal will be anything like his at all and in fact it won’t be.
 
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Quoting FL
@ OPA; there really was never any need for trials during the TNPG days was there. I mean we commited no crimes and even when we were suspected of doing so the government went right on and hung us anywhere. Right Tres?
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You should really keep your lawyer with you at all times FL...this isn't the place for that convo (especially one that has been had many times) and I really think you should think about what you just said.


Clearly you’re trying to out a response that goes along the line of "No, I am a raider and I raid everything including them! ARRR!" so feel free to remove the quotation marks around my words and act like I wasn't using them sarcastically.
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Actually I was hoping for a yes. <_<

But I love a bit of sarcasm in the morning...thankyou.

No, in fact I am not saying we should host an invader army....
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Stop... :cry: You had me at No!! :blink:

Well, invaders love puppies, we are anti-global warming, we like beer for the most part and we think there should be more action on late night television but only when combined with fewer commercials, preferably none.
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I can't trust anyone who doesn't have cable or a dish!

My question to you Tres is why do you feel a feeder region should pick sides and not remain neutral on the issue or go beyond having just a simple defense force that protects its allies and home region and nothing else?
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We are a region of nations first...and a region in NS second. As long as this community desires to be free of tyrants and pillagers I think we should pick the Defender side. The NPA protects more than just the region and allies...u should know that by now.

You speak of "community" and yet are a raider who destroys them. I find that this makes your intentions in office somewhat untrustworthy. I shudder to think what ideals you plan on instilling in newbies.

I was impressed by what you did in Lazarus...it was the reason why that region was never liberated from LWU...if you did that more often then I believe I would give you the benefit of the doubt (as was done with Poltsama without regret). Until then your tenure as a Deputy Minister is not enough to convince me that you should hold such a high position of power.

Good luck with your campaign.
 
Tresville:
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Quoting FL
@ OPA; there really was never any need for trials during the TNPG days was there. I mean we commited no crimes and even when we were suspected of doing so the government went right on and hung us anywhere. Right Tres?
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You should really keep your lawyer with you at all times FL...this isn't the place for that convo (especially one that has been had many times) and I really think you should think about what you just said.
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He's just being tricksy with words. There were no trials under the TNPG, there were "trials" under the NPD which Fulhead was also part of. But anyway, sorry for the threadjack BW...

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You speak of "community" and yet are a raider who destroys them
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It’s an age old argument against raiders, and yet it’s mostly untrue. A community can still exist and usually does, if there ever was one, in a region that has been taken over by raiders. In fact, usually the regions with the strongest community are the ones who eject their invaders the quickest. The only way for a community to really be destroyed by raiders is for the invaders to eject all natives, an offense that was once punished by deletion before the institution of the new rules. Since then, there have been very few regions that have been destroyed by raiders, in fact the only one that comes to mind is Israel under Nazi rule which was rebuilt and is now stronger than ever (LWU actually signed a military treaty with them a bit ago).

Regions usually go to hell the second the founder dies, raiders or not. If they don't already have a community then the region will die out, that's not our fault; its the players residing in the region who rightfully take the blame for that one.


Summing it up: A region does not a community make and the death of a region does not necessarily mean the death of a community. When I do manage to destroy a community I will let you know.

I shudder to think what ideals you plan on instilling in newbies.
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Dear n00bs, I would like you to meet a good friend of mine...

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Run in horror Tresville, run in horror :P
 
TNP was invaded. Our list of "casualties" is quite long. No, I'd have to say that something that was done for sport was very damaging. It was a lot of work rebuilding. I'm a defender because I don't want other regions to be hurt the way we were.
 
So what you’re saying is that the trial would be over if both sides had just followed the rules governing the court, and yet they didn't and no action was taken against either side for such a gross abuse of the law. Whose fault is that exactly?
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That would be the judge's fault but the difference between a rule and a law is that breaking a law carries a punishment. Court Rules are the way things SHOULD be done but not will be done with threat of sanctions.

Also, Heft's proposal:
http://z13.invisionfree.com/TNP/index.php?...topic=2022&st=0
(Not far off from your own but obviously public participation could mend it to something more agreeable any which way.)
 
Soothing to talk about "the Community". That is nicely impersonal.
Talking about players and friends leaving the game in disgust is not quite so.

Until I lost it in a HDD crash I had a list of players who left the game in disgust over the actions of both Great Bight and Pixiedance and co. The list was long, and many were friends who, inevitably, lost touch. (remember, GB was in the days before IRC).

the "raiders/griefers/rogue delegates don't hurt anyone" argument is facile, and does not wash with jsut about anyone who has experience with any of those groups.
 
Flemmers:
Until I lost it in a HDD crash I had a list of players who left the game in disgust over the actions of both Great Bight and Pixiedance and co. The list was long, and many were friends who, inevitably, lost touch. (remember, GB was in the days before IRC).

the "raiders/griefers/rogue delegates don't hurt anyone" argument is facile, and does not wash with jsut about anyone who has experience with any of those groups.
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This is true Flem...but then again I don't raid feeders so I was only talking about what I know, and feeder invasions I know little about.

GBM:
TNP was invaded. Our list of "casualties" is quite long. No, I'd have to say that something that was done for sport was very damaging. It was a lot of work rebuilding. I'm a defender because I don't want other regions to be hurt the way we were.
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Again, I speak about what I know and what I know is in all the 100 plus regions Lone Wolves United has raided I have yet to hear one single player out of what must be thousands state "We lost our region, I am leaving this game" or something along those line.

I thought we were talking about small scale raiding but clearly I was on the wrong topic.

Listen, are we going to talk about the real issues here or just twist my words?
 
So, any more questions for my sad bid as PM and SC? :P

Oh, also, for the record I am making a bet that Grosse abstains in the PM race after I voted for him as a gesture of good faith :ph34r:
 
Blue Wolf II:
Oh, also, for the record I am making a bet that Grosse abstains in the PM race after I voted for him as a gesture of good faith ninja.gif
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When you asked about doing this the other day, I relied by saying I'd be voting on the 7th.

You so determined to play the schoolyard games over vote, answer this:

If I voted earlier, what would stop you from changing your vote before the voting ends ?
Then I would be made to look like Charlie Brown to your Lucy playing football.
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This may have already been answered, and if so forgive me, but if not please respond.

You seem to exhibit a personalist philosophy (this subject relates to duality), being known as Blue Wolf the second while your alter-ego is publicly acknowledged and self-celebrated, and even recruiting for Lone Wolves United off of this forum 1, while some answers to questions posed to you show that where the split in the wolf's mind occurs, Evil is advantaged over Blue. 2.


You certainly wear many hats in this game. Just recently, simultaneous to this election, you campaigned to be the next Speaker of the West Pacific Senate.

Prior to that you ran into some trouble in The South Pacific. It seems that they claim you, as Pope Panzer, attempted to invade the region and they ejected you. What's your side of the story? If you had succeeded, how would you balance being a South Pacific delegate and TNP Prime Minister?
 
Grosseschnauzer:
If I voted earlier, what would stop you from changing your vote before the voting ends ?
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What am I going to do? Change my vote to myself so I can lose by a lesser margin? :eyeroll:

Ye of little faith :P

Upper Kirby:
You seem to exhibit a personalist philosophy (this subject relates to duality), being known as Blue Wolf the second while your alter-ego is publicly acknowledged and self-celebrated, and even recruiting for Lone Wolves United off of this forum 1, while some answers to questions posed to you show that where the split in the wolf's mind occurs, Evil is advantaged over Blue. 2.
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So I clearly I have self bias to one side of my ego, I think I have said before somewhere I am quite insane :P

Just recently, simultaneous to this election, you campaigned to be the next Speaker of the West Pacific Senate.
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Heh, campaigned? No. Nominated and appeared on the ballot? Yes. I really didn't want to run but Dezzland want me up there running so he nominated me and asked me to accept. I didn't even vote for myself like the other candidates did.

Prior to that you ran into some trouble in The South Pacific. It seems that they claim you, as Pope Panzer, attempted to invade the region and they ejected you. What's your side of the story?
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I had Pope Panzer in TSP forever. I attempted to qualify for delegate and stated my intentions straight up to Fudgie. I never denied I was a raider but then again I never stated I was one, I was waiting till the elections had started to put that little fact forward because I felt that if I revealed that before hand I would be booted without the benefit of the public spot light (they are a bit crazed when it comes to raiders over there, they still think the old AA is still around waiting to reclaim TSP as their own). As it is they found out anyways because I didn't use a proxy, I had nothing to hide, and deemed me a threat to the region and banned me before I had even broke any of their laws. I had no chance for appeal; TSP system has no such thing.

If you had succeeded, how would you balance being a South Pacific delegate and TNP Prime Minister?
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I wouldn't be running for TNP Prime Minister. Keep in mind this incident happened about a month before elections.
 
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