Saddam dances the Tyburn jig

If we had leadership like yours prior to WW2 I wonder where we'd be?!
Wow, I love generalisations!

Who we? the US? Japan? Europe? The World? Germany? France? the CCCP?



And you weren't sitting back in your lounge room to watch the Big Bagdad Show?


EDIT 1:

And concerning the other countries mentioned above (by Poltsamaa):

Where were the weapons coming from? And are you sure that there has not been an interest of American entreprises involved?





And one more EDIT 2: And I'd really like to see the WWII banned from this thread. The two don't have nothing in common.

Iraq 2003 was an (legal/illegal, I don't really care, actually, who defines what is legal?!) aggressive war led by the US and a few allies.
WWII was a defensive war (from the point of view of the allied forces), in order to reinstall the system that was in place before. And it was led by quite many nations.

Concerning this point (and exclusively this one point!), I'd compare the USA in Iraq a bit (and please: I said a bit!) to Germany. 1933. Wo.OT! Now I'm curious.






EDIT 3:


Hey, I love the internet!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8342907712918294886
 
Which wouldn't take place if the US had not invaded the country.
No, we could have all sat on our couches without having to hear about the political, religious and ethnic rivals Saddam was murdering on a regular basis!! Not to mention the torture of "failed" athletes and the rapes committed by his two sons as they ran amok!! All funded by the food for oil rort aided by the UN itself!! I guess it is much easier to sit back and relax when the deaths are silent and not broadcast into your lounge room!!

If we had leadership like yours prior to WW2 I wonder where we'd be?!
Aussie, right?
 
Heh. Thread's over.

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I was referring to appeasement, you dolt!!
 
Wow, I love generalisations!

Who we? the US? Japan? Europe? The World? Germany? France? the CCCP?
What generalisation?! You promoted appeasement and turning a blind eye to events in Iraq and the Middle East!! When I say "we" I mean the world as a whole!!

And you weren't sitting back in your lounge room to watch the Big Bagdad Show?

No, I don;t watch a lot of TV and I don;t watch news events for entertainment purposes!! Anyway, that has nothing to do with your view that silent deaths that don't make the news don't matter as much as ones that get the lead in story on CNN!! :)

And concerning the other countries mentioned above (by Poltsamaa):

Where were the weapons coming from? And are you sure that there has not been an interest of American entreprises involved?

I have no idea, and it is irrelevant!! The point is that rebellion leads to huge numbers of civilian casualties!! Terrorists seem to favour russian built weapons from memory, just to answer your question!!

And one more EDIT 2:  And I'd really like to see the WWII banned from this thread. The two don't have nothing in common.

Iraq 2003 was an (legal/illegal, I don't really care, actually, who defines what is legal?!) aggressive war led by the US and a few allies.
WWII was a defensive war (from the point of view of the allied forces), in order to reinstall the system that was in place before. And it was led by quite many nations. 

Sorry, you missed the point!! It was that loud roaring noise as it flew over your head!! My point in raising WWII was that appeasement got people nowhere!! Thats the only reason I mentioned it!! I didn't think it was that obtuse!!

Concerning this point (and exclusively this one point!), I'd compare the USA in Iraq a bit (and please: I said a bit!) to Germany. 1933.  Wo.OT! Now I'm curious.

The US annexes countries and engages in mass organised genocide?! OK, now we can invoke Godwin!! :w00t:
 
He deserved what was coming to him. This execution set the pace for riding tyranical leaders that are a threat to massive amounts of people.
 
Please everybody let this threaded group know how in the hell this is affecting your day to day lifes? Umm nevermind.... We don't need to be cyber fighting (debating) amonst our selfs. I dis-like using quotes to make my point. (just re-read the above posts.


Oh yea by the way Hitler Hitler Hitler. (to the rythym of Beetle juice)
 
Here I was thinking thats what this part of the forum was here for!! :huh:

If you don't want to see it, don't read it!! It is not compulsory, it is not even out in the open for you to accidentally see!!

The only people who have mentioned Hitler from memory was the Godwin poster boy and you!! And now me...!!
 
Here I was thinking thats what this part of the forum was here for!!  :huh:

If you don't want to see it, don't read it!! It is not compulsory, it is not even out in the open for you to accidentally see!!

The only people who have mentioned Hitler from memory was the Godwin poster boy and you!! And now me...!!

Hey look and see what I made you do!

Oh yea fool don't forget Dupree and the other 3 or 4 from memory.

Hey that sorta rhymes. I like reading this thread to get my shits and grins on, reading what you all blabbers have to say. Oh please forgive me great Hey All instead of bitching about all this go inlist and do your country proud. :evil:

apology edit if this made anybody mad or uncomfortable. I just used my :2c: worth.
 
That made no sense whatsoever!! Now that you have confessed to trolling and having nothing to offer the discussion, perhaps you can move along!! ;)
 
That made no sense whatsoever!! Now that you have confessed to trolling and having nothing to offer the discussion, perhaps you can move along!! ;)
why should I? It seems like I am keeping u amused.

Does your brain hurt after trying to wrap it around my nonsense?
 
No, NationStates has given me quite a grounding in dealing with idiots!!

As to why you should move on, well...trolling is against forum rules!! I'm sure the admins will be along to clip you on the snout with a rolled up newspaper shortly!! Then again, who knows...!!
 
Believe it or not I started it (I wasn't high on mouthwash at the time, I was trying to be political!), so's any mods wanna slap the ol' padlock 'round what is fast become a trainwreck of a thread feel free.
 
My job is done. I laugh my way out untill the next I return to disturb to worriers.

Hey Poltsamaa thankx for the laugh. As soon as I leave this here thread I must return to the serious minded world of confusion and make fun of that as well.

Okay all you on lookers, If I may Please state (to late) Please vote for the Fool.
 
Here I was thinking thats what this part of the forum was here for!! :huh:

If you don't want to see it, don't read it!! It is not compulsory, it is not even out in the open for you to accidentally see!!

The only people who have mentioned Hitler from memory was the Godwin poster boy and you!! And now me...!!
I mentioned Hitler no more than you did. Everyone in this thread knows who you meant by your comment. Later on, you even clarified ("I meant appeasement you dolt!!"). You invoked Godwin's Law; I only called you up on it.
 
Here I was thinking thats what this part of the forum was here for!!  :huh:

If you don't want to see it, don't read it!! It is not compulsory, it is not even out in the open for you to accidentally see!!

The only people who have mentioned Hitler from memory was the Godwin poster boy and you!! And now me...!!
I mentioned Hitler no more than you did. Everyone in this thread knows who you meant by your comment. Later on, you even clarified ("I meant appeasement you dolt!!"). You invoked Godwin's Law; I only called you up on it.
Appeasement invoked Godwin now?!

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Off scale!!

Oh, and you posted a picture of Hitler, I had not even mentioned him!!
 
:eyeroll:

You were making a direct analogy to Chamberlain's "Peace in our time" and the Munich Agreement. It's fairly obvious. Why'd you do it? "Because Nazis are bad, and by comparing my opponent (not his argument, but my opponent himself) to a Nazi appeaser means he is bad, and therefore me good, therefore me right." It's a form of reductio ad Hitlerum.

Anything after that by you is just digs to try to get me pissed off.

You're supposed to dig in your heels, never give the slightest inch, jabbing at me all the while, and I'm supposed to be so convinced I'm right -and therefore smarter (and better, and any number of comparative adjectives) than you- that I'll keep responding to you, convinced of my rational & reasonable righthood, getting more and more frustrated with you. Then at some point I'm supposed to be so flabbergasted I'll start tripping up, no longer focusing on a coherent argument but a stream of excerpts and snipes, a piecemeal set of blows where I sacrifice consistency for trying to contest and outdo you at every single point. That inconsistency and the ability to pick and choose what you respond to is where you're going to really run circles around me. And then I'm supposed to get so fed up with you that I explode. And then you win, either because I've so lost my temper and my senses that you simply look better in comparison, or because I've gotten myself banned and you're the one left standing. That's how it's supposed to go, isn't it?


How it would have gone. I'm not here to talk about Saddam, whether or not the war was justified, or get caught up in "You said this!" "No I didn't!" "Yes you did it's right here!" asinine shit. My primary entry into this thread was to point out where a comparison to Nazis or Nazi appeasers had occurred, and forecast the oncoming death of the thread. Which did happen and is happening. So I'm done.
 
:eyeroll:

You were making a direct analogy to Chamberlain's "Peace in our time" and the Munich Agreement. It's fairly obvious. Why'd you do it? "Because Nazis are bad, and by comparing my opponent (not his argument, but my opponent himself) to a Nazi appeaser means he is bad, and therefore me good, therefore me right." It's a form of reductio ad Hitlerum.
Wow, anything else you can tell me about what I was referring to?! Seems you know better than I!!
The topic was about appeasment of despots, namely Saddam in Iraq!! Therefore, my reference to pre-WWII was in reference to appeasement and its history of failure to alleviate the problems at hand!!
It was a reference to show appeasement does not work!! I don't expect you to catch on, you are more interested in trying to catch me out that actually follow what is being said and why!! I was not referencing anything in particular, merely that had we trid appeasement as our only option prior to WWII things would have been much different in Europe and the world!!
I did not compare him to a Nazi appeaser!! I said his logic and beliefs were that that he promoted appeasement over action!! Its not that hard to follow if you go in with an open mind rather than your head stuck up your arse!!

Anything after that by you is just digs to try to get me pissed off.

You flatter yourself!! I couldn't care less what you think or whether you are pissed off or not!! You came in and posted crap and are now scrurrying away playing the verbose superiority crap you usually do!!

You're supposed to dig in your heels, never give the slightest inch, jabbing at me all the while, and I'm supposed to be so convinced I'm right -and therefore smarter (and better, and any number of comparative adjectives) than you- that I'll keep responding to you, convinced of my rational & reasonable righthood, getting more and more frustrated with you.

Actually, it was you that jumped in with off-topic bullshit!! But do go on and lecture me on your righteousness, it'd be a shame to miss the full performance!!

Then at some point I'm supposed to be so flabbergasted I'll start tripping up, no longer focusing on a coherent argument but a stream of excerpts and snipes, a piecemeal set of blows where I sacrifice consistency for trying to contest and outdo you at every single point.

You haven't made a single on-topic post so far!! In order to lose focus on your coherent argument you must have a point to begin with!! So, appeasement of despots was the topic....go on!!

That inconsistency and the ability to pick and choose what you respond to is where you're going to really run circles around me.

You really are egocentric aren't you!! I don't care what you think!! You offer nothing to the discussion than an erroneous "zomg Godwinz!!11!" and a pageful of empty rhetoric!!

And then I'm supposed to get so fed up with you that I explode. And then you win, either because I've so lost my temper and my senses that you simply look better in comparison, or because I've gotten myself banned and you're the one left standing. That's how it's supposed to go, isn't it?

No, its not all about you!! I'm discussing (or debating if you wish!!) a topic in this forum!! You, on the other hand, seem to be posting some self-obsessed rant about my diabolical plan to unhinge your water-tight coherent argument that you haven't even presented!! Does the argument come out in scene two or do I have to wait for the next series?!

How it would have gone. I'm not here to talk about Saddam, whether or not the war was justified, or get caught up in "You said this!" "No I didn't!" "Yes you did it's right here!" asinine shit.

You are half right!! You weren't here to discuss the topic!! Just to make an erroneous accusation against me!! As for asinine, I bow to your greater experience with being asinine!!

My primary entry into this thread was to point out where a comparison to Nazis or Nazi appeasers had occurred, and forecast the oncoming death of the thread. Which did happen and is happening. So I'm done.

So, you post an erroneous, off-topic accusation to derail the thread and you think that makes you some sort of hero?! Seriously, I don't care what you think!! If you cannot handle a simple debate without throwing a tantrum then that's your problem!! I post in debates, I post on topic, I stay on topic and I post my views respectfully!! Believe me, if I flamed I'd be warned straight away!! Teh modz r watching!!
So, if you are done here skulk off until next time you feel the need to post bullshit in a thread and make some noise about yourself!! I'll put the kettle on in anticipation!! With debate I prefer quality over quantity and you produce massive loads of Grade-A bullshit everytime, usually about you and how the evil folks that debate an opposing argument are really only there to wind you up!! Wow, what an ego!!
 
You flatter yourself!! I couldn't care less what you think or whether you are pissed off or not!! You came in and posted crap and are now scrurrying away playing the verbose superiority crap you usually do!!
That I "usually do"? I didn't know you paid so much attention to me or my posts. Now I am flattered. :tb2:
 
I have had the pleasure of your retorts a number of times!! I'm not senile just yet!! But I notice it is another post about yourself!!
 
If we're being pendantic pre-war Germany didn't engage in mass organised genocide either.

Unfortunately, I think this thread has run its course.
 
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