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OPArsenal
TNPer
If you're talking about me, you can eat shit and die.
If not... Sorry.
Why they might be talking about me.
Crappy job of espionage, Opa.
Even I could see through that one.
Even I could see through that one.
mr_sniffles
TNPer
Wow you really had me there! Thank god those Lexicans are so much more aware and on the ball!!
EDIT:
correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the closure of the embassy and formal relations instigated by the Lexicon? Not Dalimar...
EDIT:
correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the closure of the embassy and formal relations instigated by the Lexicon? Not Dalimar...
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Are you planning to say *who* it actually is? There's not really anything that can be done by saying... "omg there are spies here"
Unless you plan to give more formal details, either here or through contact with the government, I'm pretty sure this can't be taken that seriously.
Unless you plan to give more formal details, either here or through contact with the government, I'm pretty sure this can't be taken that seriously.
Byardkuria
TNPer
@ Sniffles - Clickamaroo!
@OPA (offtopic) - I can't tell if FF looks despondent or expectant in your sig. Has something floated away, or is a coconut floating in?
And that makes me love it all the more.
@OPA (offtopic) - I can't tell if FF looks despondent or expectant in your sig. Has something floated away, or is a coconut floating in?
And that makes me love it all the more.
Cathyy
TNPer
No it's not you OPA.
The former Lexicon nation of Paintdrying is the name used in The Lexicon.
The TNP nation name is Daimiaena.
Evidence indicates that this act of espionage was authorised by the highest level in TNP.
And no, the instigation for the ending of diplomatic ties was made by Dalimbar not The Lexicon.
The former Lexicon nation of Paintdrying is the name used in The Lexicon.
The TNP nation name is Daimiaena.
Evidence indicates that this act of espionage was authorised by the highest level in TNP.
And no, the instigation for the ending of diplomatic ties was made by Dalimbar not The Lexicon.
Ooh, the highest level of TNP?! You mean the PM and NPIA, right?
Now, if I were the MoEA -- which I am not -- I would first ask that you provide solid evidence of such a claim, along with any supporting documents and screenshots you may have. I would then hope that you would wait for my investigation to be complete before jumping to conclusions.
In my humble opinion, it appears that you were all to willing to play the victim here. I've seen no evidence and no clarifaction other than "We know you were spying, and we know it was from the top".
If the highest levels have really wronged you here, provide your evidence and let us impeach the perpertraitors.
Now, if I were the MoEA -- which I am not -- I would first ask that you provide solid evidence of such a claim, along with any supporting documents and screenshots you may have. I would then hope that you would wait for my investigation to be complete before jumping to conclusions.
In my humble opinion, it appears that you were all to willing to play the victim here. I've seen no evidence and no clarifaction other than "We know you were spying, and we know it was from the top".
If the highest levels have really wronged you here, provide your evidence and let us impeach the perpertraitors.
Cathyy
TNPer
I believe you misunderstand my posting here Digitalis.
I posted on behalf of The Lexicon, not as a TNP citizen.
If you wish to seek impeachment of officials of TNP then we may be prepared to consider providing evidence - that would be a matter for our High Council and the Founders to decide.
In the meantime as was posted we see these as acts of war against us and that is a matter for us not TNP's legal procedures.
And yes, you are correct, I did refer to Hersfold's authorisation of this action against The Lexicon and other regions.
I posted on behalf of The Lexicon, not as a TNP citizen.
If you wish to seek impeachment of officials of TNP then we may be prepared to consider providing evidence - that would be a matter for our High Council and the Founders to decide.
In the meantime as was posted we see these as acts of war against us and that is a matter for us not TNP's legal procedures.
And yes, you are correct, I did refer to Hersfold's authorisation of this action against The Lexicon and other regions.
OPArsenal
TNPer
I really can't tell either. I prefer to think that he's sad because the coconut he was trying to figure out floated away. But he really doesn't seem to be the type to be put off by hairy fruit, so I dunno.
So it's not me, but the member who has the most distinctive posting style. We win on smarts alone.
I realise that you were wearing your "Lexicon hat", Cathyy.
It appears that the Lexicon has casus belli, and yet does not wish to provide evidence to us; this confuses me. If you are so sure of your position, then why would you wish to keep such supportive evidence behind closed doors? If I thought that a region was going to use such hostile measures upon my region, I would sing the evidence from the rooftops.
Although I am but a lowly deputy minister, I can see the entirety of the cabinet area and I assure you that no plans for invasion are there; therefore one could quite easily make the small assumption that if I do not have access to these secret plans then many others of the cabinet do not have access either. From here you could quite happily assume that any spies that claim to be from TNP are not actually part of a sanctioned intelligence action.
Now, if my assumptions are correct and your evidence appears to be solid then we have a case of either a rogue minister, or the NPIA working without sanction. Both of these actions could be considered treason and therefore the 'spymaster' would be made to suffer the full force of the law.
Of course, all of this is completely hypothetical until evidence is produced.
Cathyy
TNPer
Of course a region 'caught out' wants us to produce all the evidence.
And indeed I will be discussing with the HC and Founders of The Lexicon how much if any they would wish published.
But the point is, we are satisfied that there is evidence that indeed espionage was conducted, sanctioned by Hersfold and under the auspices of the NPIA.
The spy did not make the claim. The claim or confirmation came from Hersfold himself.
Perhaps if our ever absent Prime Minister wishes to try to deny that he will do so on his return.
Quite frankly, I don't care whether you wish to try him for treason or not. What I do care is that TNP does not continue its attempts at espionage in The Lexicon.
And indeed I will be discussing with the HC and Founders of The Lexicon how much if any they would wish published.
But the point is, we are satisfied that there is evidence that indeed espionage was conducted, sanctioned by Hersfold and under the auspices of the NPIA.
The spy did not make the claim. The claim or confirmation came from Hersfold himself.
Perhaps if our ever absent Prime Minister wishes to try to deny that he will do so on his return.
Quite frankly, I don't care whether you wish to try him for treason or not. What I do care is that TNP does not continue its attempts at espionage in The Lexicon.
Then if you provided evidence of our Prime Minister's wrongdoings to us we could act upon it.
As far as we are concerned we have not been caught out by anything, as we have no prior knowledge of any foreign intelligence being carried out. Remember that the NPIA is supposed to be our equivilent of MI5: strictly internal intelligence.
The fact that you refuse to provide intelligence leads me to believe that you either do not feel the evidence to be satisfactory enough to give you casus belli, or that the evidence simply does not exist.
If you wish to say that our espionage is an act of war, then so be it, but if you do not wish to provide proof of any wrong-doing then TNP must simply assume that there is no proof. Since it is impossible to prove a negative, the onus is on you and the Lexicon to show us our crime.
**edit - Sometimes one can be too verbose.
As far as we are concerned we have not been caught out by anything, as we have no prior knowledge of any foreign intelligence being carried out. Remember that the NPIA is supposed to be our equivilent of MI5: strictly internal intelligence.
The fact that you refuse to provide intelligence leads me to believe that you either do not feel the evidence to be satisfactory enough to give you casus belli, or that the evidence simply does not exist.
If you wish to say that our espionage is an act of war, then so be it, but if you do not wish to provide proof of any wrong-doing then TNP must simply assume that there is no proof. Since it is impossible to prove a negative, the onus is on you and the Lexicon to show us our crime.
**edit - Sometimes one can be too verbose.
Daimiaena
TNPer
And what chance have I in defending myself against such charges....without disclosure of any evidence...all I see is hearsay....If I am to stand accused do I not have the right to see what evidence you have against me....particularily when you are choosing to "expose" me in such a public and indiscrete fashion....
just as you have tantalised us over who the alleged spy is....will you be giving out the evidence in same fashion...
just as you have tantalised us over who the alleged spy is....will you be giving out the evidence in same fashion...
OPArsenal
TNPer
Of course, when the burden of proof falls upon you, you must produce something more than a statement and a name.
That is, if you wish to be believed.
You've had a day. If I am not mistaken, you also live with the Delegate of the region IRL. IMHO, this should facilitate SOME of the discussion. We eagerly await the results.
That's nice. Really, it is. But, uh, why even tell us at all? If you're satisfied with your results, then congratulations. I'd give you a cookie if I could. Hell, I'd even share one with you.
That's nice. Really, it is. But, uh, why even tell us at all? If you're satisfied with your results, then congratulations. I'd give you a cookie if I could. Hell, I'd even share one with you.
There ya go. I fixed that last little bit for you.
dont pick it up
TNPer
I tend to agree with OPA on this one, all i have gathered you saying cathyy is you saing you caught a spy from the tnp, yet you give nothing solid to back up your claim.
Cathyy
TNPer
Hey OPA I fixed your whole post for you.Of course, when the burden of proof falls upon you, you must produce something more than a statement and a name.
That is, if you wish to be believed.
You've had a day. If I am not mistaken, you also live with the Delegate of the region IRL. IMHO, this should facilitate SOME of the discussion. We eagerly await the results.
That's nice. Really, it is. But, uh, why even tell us at all? If you're satisfied with your results, then congratulations. I'd give you a cookie if I could. Hell, I'd even share one with you.
That's nice. Really, it is. But, uh, why even tell us at all? If you're satisfied with your results, then congratulations. I'd give you a cookie if I could. Hell, I'd even share one with you.
There ya go. I fixed that last little bit for you.
Daimiaena aka Paintdrying as you are not a citizen of The Lexicon you will not be charged by our Court. However, your nation(s) are not welcome in our region and your nations will be ejected should they be found in The Lexicon again.
Cathyy
TNPer
Because quite frankly I don't have to.
Whether we publish evidence or not is not merely a decisio for IP and I, who yes, do happen to live together in real life, but for the whole HC/Founders.
Of course you want to see who are sources are and equally of course I'm not just going to deliver that to you on a plate.
When people give me information in good faith I respect that.
The issue for you may be proof. The issue for us is that TNP has once again been caught spying in our region and we're not just going to sit idly by while that continues.
Consider my initial post notice of that.
dont pick it up
TNPer
will you give them to me on a silver platter?
dont pick it up
TNPer
bah its better!
Would that constitute as the Lex backing down over this matter?
Personally, I don't give a fig about sources, what I do care about is that my region was threatened with war over circumstances -- that still remain -- unknown.
I'm afraid that you do not have any form of casus belli in this matter, and I would further more go on to say that you have little to no evidence with which to back up your claims.
Personally, I don't give a fig about sources, what I do care about is that my region was threatened with war over circumstances -- that still remain -- unknown.
I'm afraid that you do not have any form of casus belli in this matter, and I would further more go on to say that you have little to no evidence with which to back up your claims.
edit: never mind. Let sleeping dogs lie.
Here is a teddy bear:
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Cathyy
TNPer
Good post Flem
I must say I can't help smiling that Daimiaena's request for chance to defend themselves against these 'charges' was posted here all of 7 minutes after Paintdrying made a similar request on The Lexicon forum
EDIT: Err well sorry you've bowed down to pressure Flem....I meant good post for your substantive post which I unfortunately failed to quote.
I must say I can't help smiling that Daimiaena's request for chance to defend themselves against these 'charges' was posted here all of 7 minutes after Paintdrying made a similar request on The Lexicon forum
EDIT: Err well sorry you've bowed down to pressure Flem....I meant good post for your substantive post which I unfortunately failed to quote.
Daimiaena
TNPer
Always glad to make someone smile....Please post evidence or retract accusations immediately....Good post Flem.
I must say I can't help smiling that Daimiaena's request for chance to defend themselves against these 'charges' was posted here all of 7 minutes after Paintdrying made a similar request on The Lexicon forum
I concur with this request.
Until evidence can be provided, I ask that Lexicon knows its place on these boards and makes any requests through formal channels.
Cathyy, if you have an issue with Daimieana via the RA path, then you know where you must take it.
Cathyy
TNPer
I don't believe I suggested you violated Invisonfree's Terms of Service. You committed actions against The Lexicon that are not welcome in our region.
I don't need to say they 'allegedly' aren't welcome because as one of the Founders of The Lexicon I'm quite entitled to say they are not.
By the way your attempts to create trouble on The Lexicon with Paintdrying have been met with some rather derisory comments from Lexiconians.
I would post you some examples here but I fear they may upset the rather tender sensibilities of TNP.
Welcome to forum ban in The Lexicon.
I don't need to say they 'allegedly' aren't welcome because as one of the Founders of The Lexicon I'm quite entitled to say they are not.
By the way your attempts to create trouble on The Lexicon with Paintdrying have been met with some rather derisory comments from Lexiconians.
I would post you some examples here but I fear they may upset the rather tender sensibilities of TNP.
Welcome to forum ban in The Lexicon.
Cathyy
TNPer
Ahhh you claim to want evidence. But the minute I provide even a hint of it you cry foul.
I am not going to take up any matter against Daimieana in the RA.
I have posted the statement from The Lexicon.
If Hersfold wishes to challenge what he has already confirmed by PM I look forward to him doing so.
Furthermore, I invite Daimieana to try to register on The Lexicon forum. I'm sure a small IP check might help to shed some light.
If by 'Cry foul' you mean, 'ask for full disclosure of all evidence pertaining to possible illegal activities' then, yes, I've been crying foul. It is you who have been so hesitant to produce such evidence.
I ask you one more time: If you can produce evidence of wrong-doing, please do so. If not, I again ask that the Lexicon knows its place and follows any complaints through formal channels.
OPArsenal
TNPer
Oh, come ON! I invented that trick, Cathyy, and for you to (ab)use it in such an uncreative and hack-ish manner really grinds my gears.
The issue for us is proof because you have provided none. Frankly, I would think that one who has seriously threatened litigation over this game would be willing to back up wild insubstantiated claims.
So... Is there actually any proof other than your word? Don't be offended, but you don't exactly inspire trust in most of us.
Cathyy
TNPer
You ought to be flattered that your tricks are imiatated.Oh, come ON! I invented that trick, Cathyy, and for you to (ab)use it in such an uncreative and hack-ish manner really grinds my gears.
The issue for us is proof because you have provided none. Frankly, I would think that one who has seriously threatened litigation over this game would be willing to back up wild insubstantiated claims.
So... Is there actually any proof other than your word? Don't be offended, but you don't exactly inspire trust in most of us.
I threatened litigation because a real life claim was made against me, ie that I sexually and otherwise harrassed Pope Hope.
I suggest you walk a mile in my shoes with that kind of allegation made against you and repeated ad nauseum on forums throughout NS before you deingrate what I posted in response.
Oh I'm so not offended that I don't inspire your trust.
Let me be clear.
The Lexicon will not tolerate spies.
You asked for evidence, I named names.
I'm not going to play your games until you force me to reveal my sources.
They trust me and I will not breach their trust.
And no, Daimiaena I will not retract my allegations that TNP engaged in espionage against The Lexicon.
Perhaps you might care to comment on the following regional happenings recorded as shown below: