Prime Minister Appointment - URGENT

Hersfold

Hersfold

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B - In the event of a vacancy in the Office of Prime Minister, the Cabinet shall nominate a new Prime Minister, from among any of the Nations that meet the eligibility requirements for election, within seven days. The designation of the Nation nominated by the Cabinet is to be confirmed in a referendum of the Regional Assembly, in which a quorum participates, through a motion of confirmation. The nomination and referendum election shall be conducted as expeditiously as practicable. The Nation nominated for Prime Minister shall meet all qualifications for the office, and the nominated Nation is subject to any and all limitations for service provided in this Constitution or The North Pacific Legal Code. During the interim period between the creation of the vacancy in the office of Prime Minister and the confirmation and installation of a successor to the office of Prime Minister, the Cabinet shall collectively have the authority to exercise the duties and responsibilities of the office.
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Get to it!

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Could NH provide a list of the nations in the RA that are eligible please?

Second. Deputy Ministers, even though they have access to this forum, are *not* allowed to nominate or vote on individuals, as they are expressly not a member of the Cabinet. Only the current Cabinet Ministers are allowed a vote.

Therefore, I would imagine we should wait until our MoC is actually elected before the Cabinet votes.

*Former English Colony notes this current masking setup is *not* conducive to a Cabinet only meeting.
 
eligible as in the ones who are eligible last elections? OR the current RA in which the law describes? If that's so then you can just check the RARoster, it's newly updated
 
Poltsamaa and Flem (barring term limits) are the obvious choices. (off-topic but this might finally be the time to get moving on judicial candidates, as collectively we now share Prime Ministerial powers.)
 
I'll await before we have a formal list of eligible persons before I comment on my nomination.
 
Former English Colony:
*Former English Colony notes this current masking setup is *not* conducive to a Cabinet only meeting.
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*Hersfold notes that the current masking setup is what the previous Cabinet asked for. If you lot want Ministers only, that's fine, but your Deputies are going to have a hard time voting when you're absent.

Polts would be eligible, Flem I don't think so. He was PM last term, and MoIIA before Deikura was three terms ago. Since that's two terms within one year, I don't think he could be appointed. I'll try and figure out who's eligible and who isn't in a few.

Oh, and sniffles is correct about the Justice thing... *poke*
 
Ok, here's who's eligible without including term limits:
  • Americanicus I
  • Apollo-Industria (if not elected to MoC)
  • Azazel
  • Benito Ortega
  • Blackshear
  • Blue Wolf II
  • Cathyy
  • Cthul Murgos
  • Cwarre
  • Darkesia
  • Democratic Donkeys
  • Digitalis
  • Ermarian
  • freedom and pride
  • FreedUtopia
  • Fulhead Land
  • Gaspo
  • Genusa
  • Glenon
  • Great Bights Mum
  • Grenval (if not elected to MoC)
  • Groclant
  • Grosseschnauzer
  • Indiegirl
  • Kaselande
  • Knockavale
  • Koona
  • Mr.Gaunt
  • Namyeknom
  • Neume
  • nish81
  • Nova Sardonikker
  • Nuci
  • Nuclearweapons
  • OPArsenal
  • Oponn
  • Poltsamaa
  • Pope Hope
  • Puckton
  • Raker
  • Romanoffia
  • Russo-Princepolis
  • Rysonia
  • Sajlamot
  • Teruchev
  • The Mighty Pump
  • W Olves
  • Wisconsota
  • Yahooy2u
Not all of these members may be elgible - their TNP status has not been checked for over a month unless they voted in the previous election. Many of these members have not logged in for a while. Fortunately, I don't think many of those are exactly on top of your list.

The term limits didn't actually affect too many people. Note, though, that the NS Wiki records only go back through August, so there's one term we're not certain of.
 
*AlHoma notes that there may be an elegant solution for the Prime Minister issue.

We *just* had elections for the position.

Why don't we nominate the number 2 vote getter for the position. Yes I know that Tresville ran in the elections primarilly to prevent Poltsamaa from being prime minister.

As to the appointment of judges I would be interested in seeing Grosseschnauzer being appointed as an associate justice. He's just so good.
 
I am curious, if we are counting NPC ministers, would we count NPD/NPG officials as well? It would seem unfair if we allow members of the former NPD/NPG a term advantage if you will, whereas NPC Ministers would be affected by our term limitations.
 
Dalimbar:
I am curious, if we are counting NPC ministers, would we count NPD/NPG officials as well? It would seem unfair if we allow members of the former NPD/NPG a term advantage if you will, whereas NPC Ministers would be affected by our term limitations.
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and straight into the landmine you go!

Grosse has told me before that he's been a Justice for a too long a time and needed a break. Barring some RL concerns, I'd say a Grosse would be an amazing PM candidate!
 
If I may suggest an idea, what if a current Minister was appointed Prime Minister? Say, Minister A decided it would be best for the region to run for Prime Minister, he would appoint his Deputy Minister as the new Minister, get that person to appoint a new DM, and then Minister A could run as Prime Minister, as he did not complete a full or even half-term, and he is not a current Minister. Apologies if that made little sense, I just want to see if that could work.
 
I find it hard to just look at a list of possibles and just pick one. Perhaps we should ask for volunteers or something of the like because I am not likening this one bit.
 
Dalimbar:
If I may suggest an idea, what if a current Minister was appointed Prime Minister? Say, Minister A decided it would be best for the region to run for Prime Minister, he would appoint his Deputy Minister as the new Minister, get that person to appoint a new DM, and then Minister A could run as Prime Minister, as he did not complete a full or even half-term, and he is not a current Minister. Apologies if that made little sense, I just want to see if that could work.
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In slightly more understandable terms...

You could do that. Then the new PM would have to appoint a replacement (their deputy, most likely), and that person would in turn appoint a deputy.

All of you are eligible as you have not yet served half a term in your current positions.

In partial response to BW's post, Cthul Murgos has been bugging me for a nomination. Why he didn't just volunteer here, I don't know. :P
 
To help everyone in the Cabinet with their discussion, I've gone ahead and compiled a list of who has been elected in the elections held since the constitutional convention, and the April 2005 election under the NPC revision of the constitution.

IMHO, based upon the precedent set with Flemingovia's election as Prime Minister in February 2006, the April 2005 term prior to the constitutional convention is apparently not being counted against term limits. (He was elected in April 2005 as Minister of Immigration and Internal Affairs, As Delegate in August 2005, and as Prime Minister in February 2006.)

Here is the list based upon the information in NS Wiki under "The North Pacific" and "The North Pacific Confederation"

There are a couple of uncertainties. IIRC, Roman became acting Minister of Justice when Darth Martius went inactive and never returned, but I don't know what date that was; and there's no notation as to when Hoar Chall became Minister of External Affairs in place of Blackshear during the August-November 2005 term.

AlHoma (Feb 06 MoAE)(May 06 MoAE)
Ator People (Aug 05 MoCE)(Feb 06 MoC)
Baribeau (Aug 05 MoIIA)
Blackshear (Aug 05 MoEA)
Dalimbar (Feb 06 MoD)(May 06 MoEA)
Darth Mathius (Nov 05 MoJ)
Deikuria (Nov 05 MIIA)
Democratic Donkeys (Nov 05 MoAE)(Aug 05MoAE)
Fedele (May 06 MoCE)
Flemingovia (Apr 05 MIIA)(Aug 05 Del)(Feb 06 PM)
Former English Colony (Nov 05 Del)
Free4All (Apr 05 MoD)
GoalVA (Apr 05 MoEA) (Nov 05 MoEA) (Resigned 11th Jan 2006 )
Great Bights Mum (Aug 05 MoJ)
Grimtash (Aug 05 MoD)
Grosseschnauzer (Apr 05 MoJ)
Heft (Apr 05 MoCE)(Nov 05 MoD)
Hersfold (Feb 06 MoIIA)
Haor Chall (MoEA Aug 05 part term date not recorded) (Feb 06 MoEA)(May 06 MoD)
Honeysheep (Nov 05 MoCE) (Feb 06 Del)
James2spooky (Apr 05 MoAE)
Mr Sniffles (Feb 06 MoJ)(May 06 MoJ)
Namyeknom (Nov 05 MoEA part-term) (served Jan-Feb06* does not count as term)
north harmoneia (May 06 MoIIA)
OPArsenal (Aug 05 MoC)
Poltsamaa (Nov 05 PM)
Romanoffia (Apr 05MoC) (Nov 05 MoJ) (Acting MoJ midterm Nov 05 what date?)
Tresville (Apr 05 PM)(Aug 05 PM)(May 06 PM)
WishyWashyWonder (Nov 05 MoC)
 
I am still raising my question. If NPC members are affected, why aren't NPD/NPG? That puts an unfair advantage on NPD/NPG. I believe it should either be both NPD/NPG and NPC positions that count on current term limits, or else starting from the Constitutional Convention.
 
Dalimbar:
I am still raising my question. If NPC members are affected, why aren't NPD/NPG? That puts an unfair advantage on NPD/NPG. I believe it should either be both NPD/NPG and NPC positions that count on current term limits, or else starting from the Constitutional Convention.
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REMOVED: The comment was mean and insulting.

The reason why the term listings only go back to May 2005 is because that's roughly when we started our new constitution. Everybody (with a few exceptions) was given a clean slate to go along with our new constution.

By the way... Where is StarsofSky?
 
Dalimbar,

Please forgive my prior insult. I was under the impression that you knew of the history of TNP for about the last year and a half.
 
I think he answered your question by stating that TNPG/NPD were not recognised by the constitution and that these entities had dissolved prior to ratification of this Constitution!! However, I may be wrong...!!
 
I am actually more insulted that you are implying that I don't know of TNP history over the past year and a half.

And thank you Polts, that is all I wanted.
 
In partial response to BW's post, Cthul Murgos has been bugging me for a nomination. Why he didn't just volunteer here, I don't know
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Wasn't sure as to wether or not I was being allowed to post here. Considering the margin to which he lost, Polts would have no approvable mandate with the voters. Runner up or not, that margin was huge. If nobody else will take the step forward in opposition, I will, however, I believe there are one or two better suited than myself at this time.
 
Cthul Murgos:
In partial response to BW's post, Cthul Murgos has been bugging me for a nomination. Why he didn't just volunteer here, I don't know
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Wasn't sure as to wether or not I was being allowed to post here. Considering the margin to which he lost, Polts would have no approvable mandate with the voters. Runner up or not, that margin was huge. If nobody else will take the step forward in opposition, I will, however, I believe there are one or two better suited than myself at this time.
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That's why we have the RA ratify it - to make sure that whoever is appointed is acceptable.

Somehow it turns out I'm eligible - I'd be willing to be PM as well, if the Cabinet sees fit to do so.

As for the NPD/G/C thing, I know I'm not a Cabinet Member any more, but since the current version of the Constitution was not recognized by any of those factions, I don't see why we should include the terms there. :2c:

Edit: I should probably stop posting in here. I'm really bad about that.
 
The Wiki's wrong in one aspect (hopefully the only one) AlHoma was not MoAE last time, Indiegirl was. Otherwise why were we having proceedings against her? :eyeroll:

The April terms shouldn't matter, regardless of the NPC vs. NPD matter, since those were the year before this. The August, Nov, and Feb elections are the ones that determine someone's eligibility for PM right now. If you've served 2 times during those elections, you can't be PM now. The only people from Gross' list I see as ineligible are:
Grosseschnauzer:
Ator People (Aug 05 MoCE)(Feb 06 MoC)
Democratic Donkeys (Nov 05 MoAE)(Aug 05MoAE)
Flemingovia (Apr 05 MIIA)(Aug 05 Del)(Feb 06 PM)
Honeysheep (Nov 05 MoCE) (Feb 06 Del)
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OK, before this descends into a squabble!!

I do not see this as a competition, it is a selection involving the Cabinet only at this point in time!!

As far as I am concerned, this thread is for Cabinet Ministers only!! I posted in this thread not to campaign or push myself forward as the candidate to be taken to the RA!! I posted here to acknowledge my nomination and to inform the cabinet that should they decide to approve me as the replacement PM, then I'd be willing to do so!!

I did post my opinion on the NPD/TNPG terms to answer Dalimbar's question out of courtesy to him as it seemed his question was not answered to his liking!! If that was out-of-line then I apologise for that!!

I will not post further in this thread unless invited to do so by a Cabinet member and allow the Cabinet to make their decision!!
 
So... right now the Cabinet stands at:
NH, Dalimbar, HC, Mr. Sniffles, Fedele, and AlHoma. The MoC will be elected on the 16th, and this nomination needs to end by the 19th.

So there will be 7 votes. Is there an agreement that a simple majority vote (4) will be enough to declare someone the nomination of the Cabinet?

Right now, I think nominations/suggestions stand at:
Poltsamaa
Hersfold
Gross
Cthul Murgos

*Former English Colony notes that 3 Ministers have already seemingly supported Poltsy... :noangel:
 
I suggest we do this by multiple ballots, where everyone votes for who they want with the last placed candidate dropped until we have a majority.
 
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