Consulate of The Pacific

:ph34r:

I wish my first post could have been under better circumstances, however the actions of a few have precipitated the following statement. Your Prime Minister's refusal to deal with anyone other than Emperor BlackAdder has also further strained the situation.

In response to Hersfold's recruiting on our RMB and after consulting with Emperor BlackAdder, I was asked to pass along the following message:

BlackAdder:
Government of the North Pacific. We are angered by your representative Hersfold recruiting on our Regional Message board and demand it ceases immediately. We take this to be an aggressive action on your region's part and are less than appreciative of the attitude we've been presented when trying to deal with this informally. Since Flemingovia has decided to make an incident of this by repeatedly stating make an official inquiry we have done so.

We are not amused by the attitudes presented so far. We consider this an aggressive act. We suggest you may wish to rethink this, its bad enough we have userites spamming us now we have to endure a cousin Pacific as well. You are risking alienating yourselves from the rest of us with your actions and your attitudes. Not a good place to be.
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This maybe out of line, so please remove, edit or delete my post as you see fit. :) Just don't turn me into a frog.

Now, I do not see why this act has angered BA so much. I have ahd a lot of respect for BA and The pacific folks. So, please do not take this as an insult. I do not know all the details, so if someone could PM me the details that would be great! Maybe Hersfold could PM me and maybe TND could PM me as well, thank you!

If userites can redruit then feeders should as well. We have the same goal in the end keep as many members in the region, and get newer ones so that we can keep up and increase our regional activity. Or am I wrong? One way to do this is recruitment of new blood.

Thats all I have to say now, but as I said I do not fully understand the reasoning behind why this caused so much anger.

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AA, it has angered BlackAdder because he believed the North were concerned with recruitment as well. It's a pity they show so little compassion for those suffering from the same disease.

I am personally angry because I was quoted without permission. Meh, should give me something to focus on :shifty:
 
Hmmm.

Interesting turn of events...and I wasn't even involved.

A few points:

1. Hersfold, knowing full well that The Pacific does not tolerate any regional advertisers if it can help it, moves into the region and posts a recruitment add for the north Pacific on our Regional Messageboard.

2. The Delegate, seeing the add, relocated the offending nation as it was violating our sovereign soil.

3. Hersfold was confronted regarding this event on IRC. He and Flemingovia postured that "we" (TNP) will do as we like in regards to recruitment. This was an informal inquiry and an attempt to quietly ends this stupidity.

4. The Emperor issues a statement here in our Consulate stating that since Hersfold and Flemingovia failed to listen to reason quietly we will ask formally for resolution. The wording was such that expressed our dismay at the actions of the supposed "leaders" of this region and demanded (yes, demanded) that those leaders observe our Law when on our soil, just as we are expected to observe yours here.

5. Hersfold and Flemingovia have continued their posturing in the ongoing Cabinet discussion and here.

Now, what is the purpose of all this?
 
What is the purpose of the NPO acting the way it has? It is your 'government', such that it is, that has created interregional incident. One of our Ministers, well within his powers and rights, did something that the 'government' of the Pacific did not particularly like. It is thus the perrogative of our MoIIA and our Prime Minister to respond as they like. As Flemingovia has stated in this very thread, your "government's" authority does not extend into our region, and it is not within your "leader's" power to dictate the behavior and opinions of our ministers, as such seems to be practice within your region.

We further do not appreciate the over-blown and highly agressive and furthermore insulting response to the issue from the Pacific. I personally would reccomend that those within the Pacific's 'government' should obtain and maintain an understanding that comes with being a part of the world community, as AA had inferred.

Your complaint is thus noted and the demands of your 'leader' will be dealt with as the cabinet sees fit.
 
He and Flemingovia postured that "we" (TNP) will do as we like in regards to recruitment.
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eh? I do not remember saying that. Nor does the log. Please do not put words into my mouth, especially as you were not there.
 
Feeder regions recruiting in other feeders? Appalling and shameful. Surely Hersfold must have known the reaction that this would get from Pacificans. Politically motivated, methinks.
 
Allow me to toss in my two cents.

This is not about what is legal or what is not. It is about regional sovereignty. Let us assume that the RMB is a place for displaced nations to find new homes. Then why can they not use the region search function? Next let us assume that the RMB is useless. Then why not leave it for the residents of that region? An RMB is one symbol of sovereignty, it is insulting no matter the recruiter. All that is asked is that respect is shown.
 
Considering my uniquely uncomfortable position in this issue, I would be devistated if this impulsive act caused a feeder war between the two regions I love.

How can we (in both TNP and The Pacific) allow the impulsive act of one minister to drive us to such fits of rhetoric and posturing that we hover on the edge of war? We are reasonable, intelligent people well aware of the differing cultures among feeders as well as the striking similarities.

This can be worked out. This should be worked out for the betterment of all feeders/sinks and the improved relations between all.

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You are right, of course. If the Ambassador or Consul would give some guidance I will happily split irrelevant posts out of this consulate.

Oh, and Gordonel, my tollerance threshold is usually high, but not tonight. Call me a fool again, or anything similar, and your warning level, already at 20%, will be increased to the point where a forum ban is appropriate.
 
Will everyone please stop the name-calling and flame-baiting in this topic. I will lock it if things do not improve. Edit: Just realized this was the COnsulate. Oh well, they can open a new one if absolutely neccessary. My problem is with TNP'ers right now anyway.

Polts and Goal, you both have a caution now. Please stop or you will be warned.

Hersfold
Acting as Forum Admin
NOT as MoIIA
 
Enough is enough. I have split this topic, with apologies to the Pacific ambassador. If there are any individual posts they want moved back, or others moved out, I will happily do it.
 
In reviewing the items that were split it would appear that no Pacifican acted out of line in this thread and that only the Prime Minister and a few others took things too far.

I would request all the posts be returned to this thread since no Pacifican requested a split so that we will always be reminded of your definition of diplomacy.
 
Thank you.

As far as I am concerned, I think the admin decision was the correct one, and it stands. However, since I am personally involved in this I will defer to Hersfold as senior admin on this forum to overrule me should he choose.

I have brought your request to his attention.
 
:ph34r:

I second Pierconium's request that all posts are brought back. It is my understanding that Embassies and Consulates are the sovereign territory of the visiting region and as such, barring flaming and violations of forum guidelines (IF), that region may hold whatever discussions it deems necessary.

As I did not see the posts in question, I would like to do so.

If you have a problem with the current government of The Pacific, we would like to know in a direct manner.

I would also like my member title to reflect my role in the NPO: Senator of Foreign Affairs and Diplomacy. Thank you.
 
Pending Hersfold's decision on this matter, the split posts are still openly viewable HERE. I hope this helps.

I have altered your member title.
 
:ph34r:

Thank you.

While I agree that the posts that are not on topic should be removed, there are several that speak directly to the matter at hand. I would request that those, and the responses to them, be left in.

Thank you.
 
After reviewing the lined topic, I thank Minister Haor Chall for closing the topic (twice?). As most of the posts there do pertain to the subject at hand and fortunately are not offensive to one party or another, I don't see why those posts can't be merged with this topic. However, the ones violating the ToS or Forum Rules need to remain separate.

If you would like, I will do this in a few hours. I have to go to work in a couple minutes, so don't have the time right now.
 
There. Hopefully that left the important stuff in while leaving the argument crap behind.

If anyone finds something I should have left in, please let me know.

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:ph34r:

On behalf of Emperor BlackAdder, I am requesting that all posts be put back into this thread. This is Pacific sovereign soil and no request came from us to remove any.
 
Senator, as per the agreement signed on your behalf by Pierconium here this Consulate is still bound by the rules and regulations of this forum. Therefore topics which were removed by forum administration on those grounds will not be returned to this thread.
 
:ph34r:

We do not believe all the posts removed were in violation of your forum guidelines, only irrelevant. Therefore, on principle, since we did not request their removal, we would appreciate those posts that were not in violation to be returned.

Thank you.
 
The Senator is correct. There were no forum regulation violations in the thread or in the posts that were removed.

Further, the administrator specifically stated that he would split the thread if a member of The Pacific government requested it, thus implying some measure of dominion by said government over what is posted within this consulate.

No such request was made and we would appreciate all posts be returned here.
 
With due respect to the Pacifican Diplomats, several of the posts were judged to violate forum guidelines. The remainder of the split posts caused those violations to occur, or else seemed to irritate members of your region. As we are the forum administrators, we have decided they will not be merged back in. Thank you for your understanding.
 
In that case I would like to request clarification regarding which posts violated forum rules and guidelines and specifically what those guidelines were.

From my understanding no such violations occured. If they did then it is a failing of understanding on my part and I would seek to educate myself via example by seeing the guideline violations as illustrated by the aforementioned posts.

I am interested in seeing the clarification for these reasons and for reasons relating to the similarity of action between the administration on this forum and the administration on the s2 TNP forum in which a member of the administration involved himself with the conversation and then used his powers to stop conversation once it was apparent he was in the wrong.

If violations actually occured and you have already accessed them as such it should be a very minor thing for you to elaborate of the specifics regarding those posts here.

Thank you.
 
As further clarification I have reviewed the posted Guidelines here and reread the posts in question and must state again that I saw nothing remotely in violation of the IF Terms of Service and/or signature guidelines which you include.

Is there a separate, more arbitrary, set of guidelines we should be aware of?
 
So, instead of addressing our concerns and questions the Consulate is unpinned.

Should we take that as an official response from this government? Should we now consider diplomatic discussion with this region closed?

My initial questions stand. If you can not provide clear examples of forum guideline violations I would suggest to the people here that they move back to s2, where the tyrant is, at the very least, moderately inactive.
 
I have no idea why the consulate is unpinned. It is certainly not as a result of any policy, and I cannot work out why this has happened. I have given Erastide temporary access to the Admin CP to try to work out what has happened. SHe should post in a few minutes - in the meantime, I have repinned the consulate.
 
Thank you for your swift attention to this issue.

Now, I will await response from FEC and answers to my other inquiries.
 
Now that that is taken care of:

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In that case I would like to request clarification regarding which posts violated forum rules and guidelines and specifically what those guidelines were.

From my understanding no such violations occured. If they did then it is a failing of understanding on my part and I would seek to educate myself via example by seeing the guideline violations as illustrated by the aforementioned posts.

I am interested in seeing the clarification for these reasons and for reasons relating to the similarity of action between the administration on this forum and the administration on the s2 TNP forum in which a member of the administration involved himself with the conversation and then used his powers to stop conversation once it was apparent he was in the wrong.

If violations actually occured and you have already accessed them as such it should be a very minor thing for you to elaborate of the specifics regarding those posts here.

Thank you.
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As further clarification I have reviewed the posted Guidelines here and reread the posts in question and must state again that I saw nothing remotely in violation of the IF Terms of Service and/or signature guidelines which you include.

Is there a separate, more arbitrary, set of guidelines we should be aware of?
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:ph34r:

Haor Chall:
Due to our Constitutional rules, the Embassy Treaty (which was with the Peoples Republic of The Pacific) is now rendered void. As such, it will be necessary to agree to a new embassy document of some form with the new goverment of The Pacific. Obviously this means that this embassy will be closed.

However, a decision has not been reached on how TNP will continue its relations with The Pacific. Until then you are welcome to open a Consulate in the consulate sub-forum, should you wish to do so.
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We would like to know what progress has been made to this end, especially as we are in the process of opening embassies.
 
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