Appeal

[Johanness]

My Appeal to the Map:

I don't actually understand why I wasn't allowed to create a new claim. "Being a lemon and claiming too much stuff" isn't really a good enough excuse to say that I can't move my nation to a different continent.

Also, for my "colonies" I don't really want anymore, there is no problem with just asking New South Sytarenne *cough cough* Rhuvanland *cough cough* to be put on the map.

I know I also asked for Godvia and the J.I. but those don't matter anymore.

And I don't really want to have more additional landmasses and just want to move my nation which I don't see is a mega-problem, considering now there is a whole group of nations trying to mass-colonize all the continents whilst all I want to do is move my nation. If I was an RP-Mod, that would probably be the reason to refuse peoples claims.

Anyway, I don't like it how people make such a big deal about maps, the only reason I'm posting multiple time is because most of my claims are denied and I see other people rapidly-colonizing and New South Sytarenne gets me to not be able to claim anymore.

The only reason I'm immature now is because I find the RPs now less-creative and kind of boring.

Dere. My Appeal.

(Please don't post OOC stuff to argue with this)

 

[bootsie]

Hello Sytarenne, I'm Bootsie, and I'm the RP Mod who will be deciding on your appeal. I will note, Nierr, the Map Cartographer, and Darcania, the other RP Mod, have excused themselves from the appeal, as they have an apparent bias in the appeal.

So, let's start with what you want on the map:

Sytarenne -- Controlling
New South Sytarenne -- Controlling
Godvia -- Originally Sytariot land, so doesn't count
Jeytholm Isle -- I don't want it but its just an extra

First, that is a huge number of claims on the map. I don't believe even Nierr or Lord Lore have that many, and they spend a lot of their time drawing claims. Therefore, even if your claims are accepted, I doubt that four is a necessary amount. Next, let's look at some of the things you've said on the thread:

Nierr it would be useful if you actually told people their claims were accepted instead of waiting 1 month to find the updates

Nierr usually accepts ALL claims he does not say no to. That is not a reason your claims should be accepted. Also, I want to look at this post, that I have bolded portions myself:

Fine, I'll take New South Sytarenne then. But Godvia is still going to re-unite with Sytarenne so I don't see whats the problem with that.

EDIT: Still, the nations are small. I'm only going to RP Godvia. New South Sytarenne & Jeytholm Isle will be counted as the UKS.

Armed Republic of Sytarenne: Sytarenne
United Kingdom of Sytarenne: New South Sytarenne and Jeytholm Isle. They are not like the UK and are just part of Sytarenne

And it is actually not too much to be RP'ed

I am very confused by the fact that you mentioned RPing twice, but I'm not seeing a RP associated with them. Here is my list of your RPs and their statuses:

Spoiler: Sytarenne RPs

1. Past RP Thread (Planning)
2. Manufacturing of the North Pacific Space Station (Closed and Under Review by Moderation Team)
3. Undefined Capital of Sytarenne (Voting RP)
4. Godvian Independence Referendum (Voting RP)
5. Sytarenne is now a dictatorship! (Closed by RP Mods)

Looking at all five, none are truly RPs concerning your main claim during the present time, much less the Godvian "colony". Therefore it is time for my decision.

Given the evidence above and a compilation of evidence that I did not list, I have decided to reject your appeal. You have not RP'd the colonies or the main claim you have asked for (even though the latter is not required), and I believe that you need some time to learn how to RP and really focus on telling a story. As I have been where you are before, I would like to offer you the chance to be mentored. However, I'm sorry to say that your claims will not be accepted until the end of July.

~Boots
RolePlay Moderator

 

[Mr Insanity]

If it alright for me to get bit involved with this. I agreed with Booties with the claims on The North Pacific's map, you want. I been honestly, I never seen use any of those nations while your role playing. Anyway, Sytarenne if you want learn more into role playing, I be alright to mentored you?

 

[Syrixia]

No offense, but since most of your posts are either "[Person's Name] The [Person's Title] of The [Full Nation Name] said: 'We are think this is the good proposals for The Great All Capital Letters For Some Reason Alliance and we liking it.'" or "The [Full Nation Name]: [One-word message]" I don't think that would be a good idea. Again, no offense. That's just what I've seen from your posts.

Sytarenne, might I suggest someone like Bootsie himself, or perhaps me or Darcania to mentor you?

 

[Nightsong]

OOC: Syrixia, I hate to break it to you but Bootsie is female (I think...).

On Topic: I agree with the mentoring angle. And Sytarenne, if you want... feel free to read through my role-play scenario involving Tir na Andalucia (located here: http://forum.thenorthpacific.org/topic/7383943/1/). Should give you a sense of what you can do for an expansion (albeit mine is very involved).

 

[Syrixia]

Off Topic: Last I checked the scandal ended when Bootsie published a thread outlining that he was male.

On Topic:

 

[Nightsong]

Off Topic: Last I checked the scandal ended when Bootsie published a thread outlining that he was male.

On Topic:

OOC: My bad then.

Anyways, feel free to message any of us if you would like help with setting up role-play scenarios (be they territorial expansions, wars, embassies, etc).

 

[Darcania]

I will note, Nierr, the Map Cartographer, and Darcania, the other RP Mod, have excused themselves from the appeal, as they have an apparent bias in the appeal.

I'd like to note that Nierr couldn't partake in the appeal because he handed down the original ruling, and I couldn't because I had previously upheld it. Any apparent bias, if it even existed, had little to do with it, if at all.

Sytarenne, might I suggest someone like Bootsie himself, or perhaps me or Darcania to mentor you?

I resigned from the Ministry of Home Affairs, so I am no longer a Mentor. As well, according to the public list of mentors, you aren't a Mentor, either. You may, if you wish, provide tips unofficially, but you can't really be Sytarenne's official Mentor. As for me, any mentoring I do will be limited to purpletext, answering questions related to the purpletext, and directing people to any Mentor they may have. After all, I resigned from my previous positions for a reason.

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Edit: Also, Sytarenne, if you wish to further appeal this, the following option is available to you:

Rule 3: If the result is thereafter not resolved, then a final hearing will be held, chaired by either the Fiqh courts or by a panel including the Minister for [Entertainment] or the Delegate, to decide upon a final outcome. There will be no further process for appeal or rehearing.

I'd like to note that Flemingovia, who runs the Fiqh, and Lord Lore, who is the Minister of Entertainment, likely won't be particularly happy with a further appeal and aren't likely to grant your appeal. Eluvatar, the Delegate, will likely be a bit nicer about it, but will likely also uphold the original ruling. Still, though, that would appear to be the process if you with to appeal further.

 

[Johanness]

Hello Sytarenne, I'm Bootsie, and I'm the RP Mod who will be deciding on your appeal. I will note, Nierr, the Map Cartographer, and Darcania, the other RP Mod, have excused themselves from the appeal, as they have an apparent bias in the appeal.

So, let's start with what you want on the map:

Sytarenne -- Controlling
New South Sytarenne -- Controlling
Godvia -- Originally Sytariot land, so doesn't count
Jeytholm Isle -- I don't want it but its just an extra

First, that is a huge number of claims on the map. I don't believe even Nierr or Lord Lore have that many, and they spend a lot of their time drawing claims. Therefore, even if your claims are accepted, I doubt that four is a necessary amount. Next, let's look at some of the things you've said on the thread:

Nierr it would be useful if you actually told people their claims were accepted instead of waiting 1 month to find the updates

Nierr usually accepts ALL claims he does not say no to. That is not a reason your claims should be accepted. Also, I want to look at this post, that I have bolded portions myself:

Fine, I'll take New South Sytarenne then. But Godvia is still going to re-unite with Sytarenne so I don't see whats the problem with that.

EDIT: Still, the nations are small. I'm only going to RP Godvia. New South Sytarenne & Jeytholm Isle will be counted as the UKS.

Armed Republic of Sytarenne: Sytarenne
United Kingdom of Sytarenne: New South Sytarenne and Jeytholm Isle. They are not like the UK and are just part of Sytarenne

The Quote you just took from me:
I said that if they were DENIED, because in my original map claim

And it is actually not too much to be RP'ed

I am very confused by the fact that you mentioned RPing twice, but I'm not seeing a RP associated with them. Here is my list of your RPs and their statuses:

Spoiler: Sytarenne RPs

1. Past RP Thread (Planning)
2. Manufacturing of the North Pacific Space Station (Closed and Under Review by Moderation Team)
3. Undefined Capital of Sytarenne (Voting RP)
4. Godvian Independence Referendum (Voting RP)
5. Sytarenne is now a dictatorship! (Closed by RP Mods)

Looking at all five, none are truly RPs concerning your main claim during the present time, much less the Godvian "colony". Therefore it is time for my decision.

Given the evidence above and a compilation of evidence that I did not list, I have decided to reject your appeal. You have not RP'd the colonies or the main claim you have asked for (even though the latter is not required), and I believe that you need some time to learn how to RP and really focus on telling a story. As I have been where you are before, I would like to offer you the chance to be mentored. However, I'm sorry to say that your claims will not be accepted until the end of July.

~Boots
RolePlay Moderator

Things that I have said about the Map Claims:
I only said that because I receive no notice about my map claims, especially my main map claim. For proof check pages 19 and 20.

I know I also asked for Godvia and the J.I. but those don't matter anymore.

I said those don't matter anymore, and the only reason why I want to be able to claim on the map again is so I can expand, which I'll probably expand very little.

The RPs you listed are all done

Undefined Capital of Sytarenne -- Voting done
Godvian Independence Referendum -- Voting done
Manufacturing of the North Pacific Space Station -- Don't want anymore because Cascadia already has the Outer Space Treaty Organization
Sytarenne is a Dictatorship -- Closed meaning it's done

Given the evidence above and a compilation of evidence that I did not list, I have decided to reject your appeal. You have not RP'd the colonies or the main claim you have asked for (even though the latter is not required), and I believe that you need some time to learn how to RP and really focus on telling a story. As I have been where you are before, I would like to offer you the chance to be mentored. However, I'm sorry to say that your claims will not be accepted until the end of July.

So far it looks like you have barely read and understood my appeal. I said on the RMB that I was immature and "couldn't tell a story" because the only thing there was in the RP section now is Civil war, Riots, Independence and some other uncreative RP, and did the same as them. I can create a huge RP and make it good without a problem. The only reason I'm not is because every time I do people ignore it.

I repeat, it looks like you have barely read and understood my appeal.

 

[Darcania]

The appeal has been rejected by an uninvolved RP mod, Sytarenne. If you wish to appeal even further, I have stated your options in the post just above yours.

 

[Syrixia]

you aren't a Mentor, either.

Then explain Kalatun. I'm helping him along. Am I legally prohibited from being kind?

 

[Darcania]

Then explain Kalatun. I'm helping him along. Am I legally prohibited from being kind?

Try reading that again:

You may, if you wish, provide tips unofficially, but you can't really be Sytarenne's official Mentor.

 

[Kannex]

So far it looks like you have barely read and understood my appeal. I said on the RMB that I was immature and "couldn't tell a story" because the only thing there was in the RP section now is Civil war, Riots, Independence and some other uncreative RP, and did the same as them. I can create a huge RP and make it good without a problem. The only reason I'm not is because every time I do people ignore it.

I think Bootsie understood your appeal quite well. I only have one additional claim, Pelhafor, and Syrixia has one, Rhuvanland. We have RP'd both of these territories extensively. If you bothered to look, you could see that Rhuvanland has been the focus of several RPs, from its partition to its two invasions and now its socialist rebellion. I have an extensive history of Pelhafor that stretches from the Age of Exploration to modern day, and an independence issue that is currently dormant. What do you have? Maybe if you bothered to write a history next time, the mods would actually consider your request.

Internet interactions -- the pleasant kind -- take some sort of maturity. Immaturity doesn't mean creativity. You can be mature and responsible and still be creative. Perhaps you ought to come back when you're mature enough. It does indeed take time to learn to stop whining about small things and insulting your moderators.

If you can run a good RP, then run it. The Past RP is an interesting idea and I'm currently signed up for it. Just waiting for it to begin. Your other ideas were not very good. That's why I didn't sign up for them. It's pretty simple. Oh, not to mention you broke forum etiquette by constantly and unnecessarily bumping your own threads and creating a redundant number of threads about the same topic. That's all I have for now.

 

[Johanness]

How many times do I have to tell you I only want new map claims to move/expand my nation not for a colony.

And for proof I can run a really detailed, creative RP then an example is my Factbook. Which is also considered an RP for my own nation.

 

[Nightsong]

How many times do I have to tell you I only want new map claims to move/expand my nation not for a colony.

And for proof I can run a really detailed, creative RP then an example is my Factbook. Which is also considered an RP for my own nation.

To cite Boots again... Bootsie did answer your question already, the appeal was denied and no new claims (be it to change the location of your current claim or any expansion) can be made until the end of July. As per Darcania's instructions, you can appeal Bootsie's (and in turn Nierr's / Darcania's) decision by following his instructions further up this post.

 

[Syrixia]

Just stop trying, Sytarenne. You're only making this into more than it needs to be. Just wait until the time you were told to wait until.

 

[St George]

As much as some of you are helping - and some of you aren't - I'm going ask that people no longer post here unless Sytarenne is posting a final appeal, in which case only relevant posts should be posted.