[Private] Ropanama’s Request for Review Regional Ban

Pallaith

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New R4R in progress here, standard ban review. What’s a tad less standard is the review is touching on the common ban justification of community guidelines, which is a nebulous category similar to NS rules, but not explicitly specified in the law in the same way.

We’re anticipating the GAs will provide extensive evidence for this one, but if you have any thoughts so far on the idea conceptually feel free to share. We may wait a bit longer than five days depending on any possible extensions.
 
Until the GA provide evidence, there's little we can do. Standing is obvious, so I don't think there's contest on that.

I fail to see Dreadton's point about "Ban Petition", as in the Legal Code I merely see "subject to judicial review", to which an R4R stands for in the current TNP's jurisprudence.
 
At most, my thoughts are that some higher degree of transparency would be needed in the shape of examples when the cases are too extensive to display, in the future when dealing with bans.
 
Until the GA provide evidence, there's little we can do. Standing is obvious, so I don't think there's contest on that.

I fail to see Dreadton's point about "Ban Petition", as in the Legal Code I merely see "subject to judicial review", to which an R4R stands for in the current TNP's jurisprudence.
Dreadton, I think, is making a distinction between types of R4Rs which is technically true, but legally there is no difference. A ban review is handled the same way as an allegation that the law is unconstitutional on some point. and MadJack is correct that we can incorporate into the ruling changes to other areas of law not explicitly contemplated in the request, if it makes sense to do so. He seems to be against combining the two elements into this review, and would prefer that the old ruling be challenged directly in a separate review, but there is no inherent reason to do this. If we find it is necessary, we can address the old ruling in this review. After all, the free speech ruling that was brought up came out of a similar kind of R4R, this one about posts being suppressed instead of a ban being given out.

At most, my thoughts are that some higher degree of transparency would be needed in the shape of examples when the cases are too extensive to display, in the future when dealing with bans.
I think this is always true, and our standard hasn't changed in this area. This particular ban is related to a player with a very extensive history, so there may not be a lone smoking gun like some of the others we've encountered in the past. We should accept and request as much as we feel we need during this first phase of the review.
 
I think the community guidelines point is more nuanced. A strict community guidelines ban will likely be an OOC gameside ban, and likely overlaps with NS rules violations. I do not believe that the ban reason stated in the thread is the ultimate authority on the ban anyway. Any ban is capable of being challenged and upon review may be found not to fit the reason stated for the ban. On the other hand, the review may reveal another valid cause for the ban, in which case the ban would be upheld.

Recall that this Court’s position is that we can’t even review bans on OOC grounds. I think there’s room for cleaner and better communicated language for utilizing discretion in matters that align with the guidelines, and we should probably steer a response toward that. It’s dicey to create a system where the government claims something is essentially OOC but that can’t be challenged or reviewed. We don’t want to put OOC offenders on trial in a criminal sense literally or figuratively, but we can’t allow this to be abused. I think our response on this is going to hinge on writing clarification on how this may be done.
 
In addition to the thoughts I previously shared, I am prepared to settle the simplest part of this question. The ban was valid because of violations of NS rules. I think the banned player clearly violated those rules and the ban could have cited that as a legitimate reason. The fact that the ban left that out, in my opinion, doesn’t matter - the ban was earned even if the specified reason didn’t state it. If the person banning does not adequately justify the ban, it’s easy to challenge it (as this one was) and once we reviewed the ban, we can clearly see that the player warranted the ban. This isn’t a trial, we’re not concerned with following rules of procedure, just whether or not the ban was a good ban. It was. We should rule accordingly.

I’m going to want to take another look at the briefings to round out my thoughts as to the question of the community guidelines. We have to be very careful how we parse this.
 
About the community guidelines, they've claimed they broke NS's rules. Should that happen and a GHR be filled, wouldn't it mean that the site administration should've taken place for it?
 
About the community guidelines, they've claimed they broke NS's rules. Should that happen and a GHR be filled, wouldn't it mean that the site administration should've taken place for it?
It is often the case that a GHR is filed and the moderator who responds deems it unactionable. That doesn’t mean we can’t take action ourselves. However, if action is taken, we would still be citing NS rules, not community guidelines, because we have some leeway on enforcing those rules especially when the NS mods don’t.

The subject of the R4R and some briefs essentially argue that bans can’t be done on the basis of community guidelines alone. Those guidelines are OOC admin content, not our regional laws. Border control permissions are regulated by our legal code, but our free speech ruling acknowledges that OOC moderation is also partly at the delegate’s discretion, and BC powers have to be the mechanism for that moderation. The question is, given our prior free speech ruling, do we believe this leeway is permitted for bans regardless of the border control law, or do we need to deny it in an absolute sense? The ruling was specifically about suppression but the OOC moderation angle would naturally include BC.

And if we do forbid it, do we also acknowledge the ban was legitimate anyway even though the reason cited for it wasn’t something we might permit? Or does the ban also need to perfectly identify the reason it was done when reported, even if we review it and determine it was valid? Put another way, is a ban reviewed and deemed to be legitimate still illegitimate if the official didn’t identify the correct reason for the ban when they banned, and cited an incorrect one?

Where I sit, I believe the ban was legitimate, and I would uphold it even if the reason it’s legitimate was not stated when the ban was reported, because we reviewed it and it was warranted. We do not need to put form over substance, this isn’t a trial and we don’t have to get hung up on procedural rules, particularly as we do not have any for this. And I believe that in order to allow for the delegate to perform OOC moderation of the RMB, BC is part of that and the use of BC in those scenarios would obviously be separate from BC as laid out in the legal code. We cannot legislate OOC moderation. There will be times BC will be used in such a way and therefore would not be subject to legal constraints. If we do uphold this principle, we might have to contemplate limits that can be illustrated like the prior free speech ruling. It can be a thorny area to work out, but a crucial one.

Thoughts?
 
My problem mostly is that there's a claim of NS's rules, but I fail to see any direct relationship. Which rules? Where can I see them to properly conclude that the action was indeed taken place according to violation of NS rules? Only Sil brought a solution to this up.
The argument brought forward by Marcus Antonius of "Violations of Community Guidelines" being used as a catch-all is but problematic, as legally speaking we could have a situation of helplessness.
Sil's argument of there potentially being an amendment to the reasoning of the ban would be a good way of procedure, since the ban was deserved but under other terms (See Sil's partial opinion: Violations of NationStates Rules: Trolling, Flaming, Adult-Only content), and that would adhere the actions taken back into the proper procedure of law. The ban was legitimate, on my opinion, from the proof provided by Marcus.
We can't legislate OOC moderation, of course, but we have to consider that in order to avoid confussion and ensure legal security, that for the future, these kinds of bans avoid using the general catch-all without at least mentioning partially what NS rules and Community Rules are being broken. I believe it's a right to every person to know what they have committed.
 
I think the ruling needs to set some stricter guidelines on ban reports. This doesn’t stop us from reviewing bans of course, but it would guide officials to be clearer in messaging and also help them know when these particular things are cited, whether they’re using them correctly or not. For instance, perhaps citing community guidelines should only happen when there’s a clear OOC violation being asserted. If NS rules are also violated (and there is often overlap with these categories), the rules in particular should be cited instead. Whenever a non-OOC reason can be cited, perhaps they should just lead with that.

Vivanco it sounds like you also want them to be specific when citing NS rules. They are admittedly inconsistent when doing this currently. It’s entirely possible that we’re about to create a requirement for how bans are reported that is not currently legislated, wouldn’t be the first time I suppose but I want to be clear when we’re stepping into legislating from the bench territory.
 
Vivanco it sounds like you also want them to be specific when citing NS rules. They are admittedly inconsistent when doing this currently. It’s entirely possible that we’re about to create a requirement for how bans are reported that is not currently legislated, wouldn’t be the first time I suppose but I want to be clear when we’re stepping into legislating from the bench territory.
I think it's more of enforcing the principle of legal security. This is a loophole, and until the legislative properly closes the wound, we can "tourniquet" it temporally.
 
Surprise, I have a draft opinion for your consideration. I think it handles everything we discussed quite nicely, though there is one area that could be a significant change depending on how you feel about it. The decision as written upholds the ban, better explains the extralegal aspect, and states that just because an official cited the wrong reason in a ban report doesn't negate the ban, if there's still just cause for the ban. It suggests that officials are specific and clear in making reports in the future, but does not require it. This is because the logic of the decision recognizes that the law only says bans have to be reported, and has a list of causes for bans, which are always reviewable. The law does not require them to explain their reasoning, or how they should do it. While we could do that, it would be legislating from the bench. The decision points out that these are suggestions and good practice, but acknowledges that officials could do less (at the risk of subjecting most of their bans to review, obviously). We could go harder, more insistent on this if you want, but I do not believe that is necessary. If others out there disagree they can write a law requiring it. Let me know your thoughts.

Ruling of the Court of The North Pacific
On the Regional Ban of Ropanama
Opinion drafted by Chief Justice Pallaith, joined by Justices Vivanco and Dalimbar


The Court took into consideration the inquiry filed here by Ropanama.

The Court took into consideration the legal brief filed here by Dreadton, here by St George, here, here, here, here, here, and here by Marcus Antonius, here by Sil Dorsett, and here by Picairn.

The Court took into consideration the relevant portion of the Bill of Rights of The North Pacific.
8. The regional power of ejection and banning may not be granted or exercised, nor forum bans imposed, unless expressly authorized pursuant to the Constitution or the Legal Code. Any ejected or banned nation is entitled to prompt judicial review of the matter.

The Court took into consideration the relevant portion of the Constitution of The North Pacific.
Article 3. The Delegate and Vice Delegate
2. The Delegate may eject and ban nations from the region as permitted by law, and will eject or ban nations from the region when required by law.

The Court took into consideration the relevant portion of the Legal Code of The North Pacific.

Section 7.3: Onsite Authority
16. Violators of NationStates rules, residents banned offsite by forum administration, or residents who maintain a nation in a region or organization at war with The North Pacific, may be subject to summary ejection or banning.
17. Residents banned on the basis of forum bans imposed by forum administration may not be banned for longer than the length of the ban imposed by forum administration.
18. Nations recruiting for other regions may be subject to summary ejection or banning.
19. Nations for which the Court has issued an indictment permitting it may be ejected or banned.
20. Nations that have been so sentenced by the Court will be ejected or banned.
21. The official performing an ejection or ban will promptly inform the region and Government.
22. The Serving Delegate may regulate the Regional Message Board as they see fit.
23. Such regulations may not prohibit speech which is in the context of TNP politics.
24. Serving Frontier Delegates may regulate the Regional Message Board in territories of The North Pacific as they see fit, but the Serving Delegate may direct or overrule such regulation as they see fit.
25. Nations that have been banned for any of the above reasons may be subject to summary ejection or banning from any territories of The North Pacific.
26. All actions of the WA Delegate, the Serving Delegate, Frontier WA Delegate, Serving Frontier Delegate, or of their appointed Regional Officers related to this section will be subject to judicial review.

The Court took into consideration the NationStates Rules.

The Court took into consideration the TNP Community Guidelines.

The Court took into consideration the RMB Guidelines.

The Court took into consideration prior rulings by the Court here, here, and here.


The Court opines the following:

On Standing
The petitioner is the nation subjected to ban under review and has filed this request pursuant to their rights under the Bill of Rights.

On the Regional Ban of Ropanama
The Court is asked to review the ban of a resident conducted by one of the region’s border control officials due to “violation of Community Guidelines.” The petitioner argues that the ban was unlawful due to the fact the legal code does not enumerate the stated reason among the valid causes for a ban. Additional briefs highlight several key areas that the Court agrees should also be considered. The Court in this case will consider the following questions:

1) Whether Community Guidelines can be considered a valid cause for a ban

2) Whether the Court’s allowance for extralegal moderation in On the Regulation of the Regional Message Board makes this particular ban permissible

3) Whether the reason cited for a ban must be properly cited for a ban to be valid, even if under review actionable behavior can be found to warrant a ban

Due to inconsistency in explaining why bans are carried out over the years, and continued dispute over where such authority comes from, the Court feels it necessary to establish common and consistent practices for officials to utilize when exercising the Executive’s authority to eject and ban nations from The North Pacific. The questions we are considering will form the basis of those practices.

1) The official who conducted the ban under review stated that Community Guidelines is deemed to be a “catch all” explanation for banning, and provided evidence going back over a year that the petitioner had a history of problematic posts and actionable behavior that was never deemed to rise to the level of a ban until finally they deemed the full weight of behavior to be worthy of a ban. The Court is cognizant that this is partly true, as a review of the thread where bans are reported shows that in fact Community Guidelines is typically cited alongside NationStates rules violations as a justification for bans. Both lack specificity as to why a ban was conducted, though obviously NationStates rules are found in the legal code as a justification for a ban. Community Guidelines are not. The plain and simple truth is that there is no Legal Code provision that permits a ban on such grounds, and so a ban lacking actionable violations as enumerated under the Legal Code obviously would not ordinarily stand.

That being said, the Court has previously recognized that certain situations call for extralegal moderation, as NationStates moderation is not always able or willing to respond when requested. Our Community Guidelines are not designed for application to the Regional Message Board, but as we have stated previously, they can be used as a point of reference when determining if extralegal moderation is called for. Given its particular purpose and its tangential relation to the use of banning authority as we understand it, the Court feels even in these cases it would be inappropriate for officials to cite Community Guidelines as a reason for a ban. This may give the wrong impression that the guidelines are enforceable in the same way that other enumerated causes are. Instead, officials should cite specifically what the cause of the ban was and explain that it was done extralegally. The cause may be a specific example the community guidelines outline, or they may be particular to the action warranting the ban, but it should be specifically explained and clear that the ban is intended to be extralegal. If a ban encompasses both violations enumerated in the Legal Code and extralegal violations, officials should continue to cite both, and the ban will be reviewable on the grounds of the enumerated violations.

There is fair concern as to how we should guard against potential abuse of this unreviewable type of ban. The Court relies on the scarcity of situations that would fall outside the enumerated causes, and the fact that regular use of extralegal bans would constitute a reasonably suspicious pattern of behavior for officials to engage in. While the bans would not regularly be subject to review, the pattern of extensive use of extralegal bans absolutely would be subject to review, and under this scenario the Court could consider the bans for reference. The conduct of our government officials and those carrying out their orders is always subject to review, whether in this Court or in the Regional Assembly.

2) Broadly speaking, officials are empowered to conduct extralegal bans as laid out in our previous ruling On the Regulation of the Regional Message Board, and we reaffirm that extralegal bans are not reviewable. If the official conducting the ban had cited an extralegal cause for the ban, this Court would not have even taken up this review. However, the parameters of what type of ban it is, and the terms utilized, are murky and we have endeavored to clarify them in the preceding section and the section to follow.

3) The review of bans has no process, like a criminal trial, that must be strictly adhered to. A petitioner asks the Court to consider their ban and whether it was justified. The officials carrying out the bans are mandated to report their bans, but this too lacks any process. Given that, the answer to this question is quite simple. If the petitioner committed acts that warranted a ban, the ban must be upheld. The government provided ample evidence of a pattern of behavior that regularly involved violating NationStates rules, and we can even identify what those violations were. They covered a wide variety of areas, including but not limited to Trolling, Flaming, and Adult Content. Given this, the Court sees clear cause for a ban. Of course, the reason we are here is because the official reporting the ban did not cite NationStates rules either broadly or specifically, but cited Community Guidelines. But legally speaking, it does not matter what the official said in the report. In fact, the official could have stopped at saying the petitioner was banned, with no further detail, and that would have been sufficient under the law. There’s a very good reason why officials explain their bans. The Court can easily imagine a scenario where bans are regularly challenged for lacking any specificity, and we happen to believe that such reports should be as clear and transparent as possible. But a ban does not cease to be valid just because the reason for conducting it was incorrectly or insufficiently reported. A ban ceases to be valid if there is no legal basis for having been carried out. Upon review of this ban, this Court easily identified cause for a ban, and so the ban is upheld. We will not overturn bans that did not conform to red tape that does not exist.

That being said, the Court feels that current practice is in need of correction. All action is subject to judicial review, and all causes for bans are outlined in the Legal Code. Therefore, the current setup for bans and their review adequately provides protection for residents. It is a fair expectation for those being banned to know why it is happening, and if they feel it is necessary, to challenge the assertion of the government. Every ban is recorded with a reason for why it was done, as has been the common practice for years. This should continue. Moving forward, the Executive should avoid “catch-all” justification for conducting bans and be as specific as possible when reporting bans. If the ban is for violations of NationStates rules, those rules that were specifically broken should be cited in the report. As we previously stated, if a ban is intended to be extralegal in nature, the offense should be cited as specifically as possible, and the specifics can be sourced from our Community Guidelines if applicable. If clarity is missing from the report and officials wish to clarify it after it has been made, they are free and even encouraged to do so. As we have stated, a ban is either justified or it is not, no matter what wording the officials use when reporting it, or if they edited it the next day or spelled out their reasoning in greater length after initially being vaguer. If the Regional Assembly feels compelled to outline a process for these reports, and require they be adhered to for bans to be valid; or to mandate this Court’s suggestions as outlined above, they are welcome to do so. This Court does not mean for these suggestions to be binding on officials, as we have already acknowledged that the process requires very little to work. But if our officials adjust their process to err on the side of specifics and to be consistent in their process, it is better for all involved and should resolve conflicts over bans before they even begin.

Holding
The ban of Ropanama is upheld. Community Guidelines are not a valid reason for carrying out an ejection or ban. Bans are not invalidated after review because an official cited the wrong reason when reporting the ban, as long as there is actual legal cause for the ban.
 
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We would ask that moving forward
I'd say to change this to a recommendation since we're aiming to avoid legislating from the bench.

Other than that, I will agree and sign on this opinion
 
I'd say to change this to a recommendation since we're aiming to avoid legislating from the bench.

Other than that, I will agree and sign on this opinion
I have edited the section to more clearly indicate they are not requirements. Assuming it still passes muster, I will publish the ruling.
 
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