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This thread is for discussions and drafting in relation to a number of amendments to the Court Rules.
There are two areas which have came up in the course of the term (initial mentions of which can be found below):
The rule in relation to suspending proceedings currently reads:
For withdrawal of requests I am not so far along in my thinking. However, I think that it should, certainly, be possible to withdraw a request prior to it being accepted or rejected by the Court (indeed, it would be quite difficult to avoid this with the present permissions in use in the court forum, as a petitioner can edit out their request, thereby preventing us from seeing it); I also think that it should be possible to withdraw a request before the Court begins its deliberations. I am less sure on whether it should be possible for a request to be withdrawn once deliberations have started, but I am not sure if there are particularly strong reasons why it should not be possible.
In relation to mandatory disclosure in criminal trials, the Court has decided, in many ways, what the process ought to be here and here and it is not open to us to set that aside.
In relation to identifying respondents, it seems to me that this is useful in that it may help to encourage a respondent to submit a brief in order to justify their actions. In my experience, this can be helpful even where the respondent is incorrect, as it can provide more framing for the context of the actions and enable more analysis (particularly where a petitioner has been sparse in their own) and can encourage third parties to submit briefs also. The way to go about this, I think, would be to start with a rule identifying respondents and then to have a second rule requiring respondents to be contacted and invited to make submissions. The first of these might be either a general rule, to the effect of:
Finally, on the Freedom of Information Act, I barely know where to start. I think what might be wise is to go through the archives and see what has been done historically and whether there is anyone who has conducted such a review still around who can offer their views on whether what was done historically worked.
There are two areas which have came up in the course of the term (initial mentions of which can be found below):
- Altering the rule requiring ongoing proceedings to be suspended if they become subject to an appeal or review, so as to limit the risk of abuse of process
- Introducing provisions dealing with the withdrawal of requests for review
- Adding the process for mandatory disclosure in criminal proceedings to the rules
- Adding provisions to identify "respondents" to requests for review and seek submissions from them
- Adding a process for reviews under the Freedom of Information Act
January 5, 2018
[6:55 PM] Zyvet: So, in connection with all that has went on, I've been thinking about the idea of amendments to the Court Rules and I think one thing I would like to amend slightly, is the rule dealing with halting proceedings when an appeal or review is made. Long and short, I think it would be wise to make it so that the rule isn't an absolute one, so either the appellate/reviewing panel can direct proceedings to be halted or they can allow proceedings to continue. The idea being to prevent the notional risk of frivolous reviews being filed in order, for instance, to disrupt criminal proceedings (something I am surprised has not been done given TNP's record with defence counsel)
[11:37 PM] Scorch: Sounds good to me.
January 14, 2018
[9:00 PM] Scorch: Maybe we should add something about withdrawals to our rules and procedures.
[9:02 PM] Zyvet: Yes, that might be the thing to do.
[9:14 PM] Zyvet: I'll actually make a thread on the subject of court rules amendments, now
[9:15 PM] Scorch: Great
[6:55 PM] Zyvet: So, in connection with all that has went on, I've been thinking about the idea of amendments to the Court Rules and I think one thing I would like to amend slightly, is the rule dealing with halting proceedings when an appeal or review is made. Long and short, I think it would be wise to make it so that the rule isn't an absolute one, so either the appellate/reviewing panel can direct proceedings to be halted or they can allow proceedings to continue. The idea being to prevent the notional risk of frivolous reviews being filed in order, for instance, to disrupt criminal proceedings (something I am surprised has not been done given TNP's record with defence counsel)
[11:37 PM] Scorch: Sounds good to me.
January 14, 2018
[9:00 PM] Scorch: Maybe we should add something about withdrawals to our rules and procedures.
[9:02 PM] Zyvet: Yes, that might be the thing to do.
[9:14 PM] Zyvet: I'll actually make a thread on the subject of court rules amendments, now
[9:15 PM] Scorch: Great
The rule in relation to suspending proceedings currently reads:
In the logs above, I expressed my concern about the possibility that this provision could be used to disrupt proceedings (particularly, criminal proceedings) by raising frivolous appeals or reviews. I think that the rule could be altered so as to reduce the risk of such a possibility. There seem to be two broad ways of doing this: either it can be made so that suspension is the starting position but is open to disapplication; or it can be made so that proceedings continue unless suspension is ordered. The first might result in a rule which reads:3. During the proceedings of a matter before the Court, substantive appeals and requests which relate to that matter must be addressed before the proceedings can continue.
The second might result in a rule reading:During the proceedings of a matter before the Court, substantive appeals and requests which relate to that matter must be addressed before the proceedings can continue. The Court determining an appeal or review may, by unanimous vote, decide to suspend this rule, if it determines that the appeal or review are being made frivolously or solely for the purpose of delaying the matter being considered.
I am unsure which of these types of approach I would prefer. The first, I think, has a benefit in that it makes clear that there should be a presumption that appeals and reviews are permissible and that not suspending should be an extraordinary measure (I should say, in relation to the second, that my expectation would be that the power to direct a suspension would be used as a matter of course in most cases). My initial considerations, however, do lead me to think also that it would be easier to draft a clear rule in relation to the second.If, during the proceedings of a matter before the Court, a substantive appeal or request which relates to that matter is made and the Court determining that appeal or request directs, the proceedings must not continue until the substantive appeal or request is resolved.
For withdrawal of requests I am not so far along in my thinking. However, I think that it should, certainly, be possible to withdraw a request prior to it being accepted or rejected by the Court (indeed, it would be quite difficult to avoid this with the present permissions in use in the court forum, as a petitioner can edit out their request, thereby preventing us from seeing it); I also think that it should be possible to withdraw a request before the Court begins its deliberations. I am less sure on whether it should be possible for a request to be withdrawn once deliberations have started, but I am not sure if there are particularly strong reasons why it should not be possible.
In relation to mandatory disclosure in criminal trials, the Court has decided, in many ways, what the process ought to be here and here and it is not open to us to set that aside.
- The process begins with a request made by the defence to a governmental authority;
- that authority may then release or withhold the information (or parts thereof), provided that the information withheld falls into one of the three categories which is outlined in the FOIA;
- the Court may then review a decision to withhold information, on the request of either the prosecution or defence;
- when the Court conducts such a review, the Court must be provided with a copy of the evidence, however matters falling into the first two categories may be withheld even from this copy (why this is so is not explained in the ruling, given that the FOIA clearly contemplates such information being provided to the Court, however, we are where we are);
- the Court may choose to release the copy it has been provided with to either the prosecution or defence (or both);
- the Court may then, on the request, overturn the withholding of information (in whole or in part) which is within the third category (presumably, the Court may also do so in relation to information withheld on that basis but which is not actually in the category)
In relation to identifying respondents, it seems to me that this is useful in that it may help to encourage a respondent to submit a brief in order to justify their actions. In my experience, this can be helpful even where the respondent is incorrect, as it can provide more framing for the context of the actions and enable more analysis (particularly where a petitioner has been sparse in their own) and can encourage third parties to submit briefs also. The way to go about this, I think, would be to start with a rule identifying respondents and then to have a second rule requiring respondents to be contacted and invited to make submissions. The first of these might be either a general rule, to the effect of:
Alternatively, it could be a more specific rule, listing all those who could be respondents in relation to a request for review. The second rule would, in essence, state:The Moderating Justice will identify the government officials whose actions or policies are impugned by a request, or, in relation to a government body, the government official ultimately responsible for leading that body. Those identified, in relation to a request, will be respondents to it.
The Moderating Justice will contact the respondents to a request for review, inform them of the review, and invite them to make submissions to the Court in relation to it.
Finally, on the Freedom of Information Act, I barely know where to start. I think what might be wise is to go through the archives and see what has been done historically and whether there is anyone who has conducted such a review still around who can offer their views on whether what was done historically worked.