ARCHIVED: Imperium Augustum Intends to Occupy Rhuvanland

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We have new developments in the Rhuvanland issue as the Imperium Augustum has made it clear that they intend to occupy Rhuvanland for "treason against the Pax Latina".

This is too much. Here is some of what they've had to say:

"The Rhuvish people will be required to evacuate immediately, or be subdued by police and military actions in the territory. We will reiterate that Imperium, as of now, considers Rhuvish citizenship to be sufficient proof of combatant status.

Friedrich Ulrich and his government will be given, again, the option to surrender in the next 24 hours, out of concern for any Rhuvish citizens who may be harmed in the otherwise necessary process of bringing their persons to trial. There will be no commutation of their sentence - merely assurance of safe passage in the afterlife for their repentance - should they comply."

What...the hell?

I'm curious to see what the Assembly thinks of this. This obviously means that the Nazos will be overthrown, which is good, but the Imperium is going one step further. We see this as an intended genocide.
 
I thank the honorable representative of Syrixia for bringing this before the Council.

Let there be no equivocation Imperium has declared war on Rhuvanland. This is in clear response to the Rhuvish government refusing to allow citizens of IA to leave.

The government of Imperium has a duty to protect its citizens. That is what is taking place here. However, I do echo Syrixia's concerns about the specific threats toward Rhuvish civilians. I do not believe IA intends to commit genocide, rather, they are using fear tactics to force Ulrich's government to surrender.
 
The Kingdom stands with our Western brethren against the established peoples of the East. Rhuvanland has taken citizens of Imperium hostage, and it is the duty of any sovereign government to protect and defend their citizens.

While McMasterdonia agrees that the content of this statement is.. strong, we do feel that this sends a clear message to the Nazos that the brutal actions of their government will no longer be tolerated. We cannot help but feel that Imperium controlled Rhuvanland would be a better outcome for Eras and the DU.

Communication with Imperium to ask them to allow Rhuvish citizens to stay, and to work towards establishing a Rhuvish Government under the oversight of occupation forces would be desirable at this time. This would see the rights of native Rhuvish protected, the Nazo's overthrown, and the Imperium monitoring ongoing issues within the severely troubled state.
 
All due respect, but the mission of this Union and why it was created was and is to preserve democracy. Rhuvanland would be best suited as a DU mandate mutually controlled by all members and spearheaded by the CDCP, which remains the Opposition in Rhuvanland and was the pre-Nazo government. Eventually the DU would host elections in which all National Sonacist parties and affiliate parties would be banned from the election choices.
 
This Union is for the mutual benefit of democratic nations. It is not a coalition for nation-builders. Yet another election in Rhuvanland will not solve their problems. Democracy is a method of government, not a panacea for internal social issues.

I have no belief that Imperium intends to engage in genocide, or systematic targeting of civilians, and we shall definitely withdraw support from them if they do.

I have no interest in imposing the enormous expense of rebuilding a failed state on the already fragile economies in the DU's trading sphere. And I am especially opposed to having the right honorable delegate from Syrixia's government involved in the project.
 
Syrixia:
All due respect, but the mission of this Union and why it was created was and is to preserve democracy. Rhuvanland would be best suited as a DU mandate mutually controlled by all members and spearheaded by the CDCP, which remains the Opposition in Rhuvanland and was the pre-Nazo government. Eventually the DU would host elections in which all National Sonacist parties and affiliate parties would be banned from the election choices.
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You may well think that, but I couldn't possibly agree with that. You're advocating the DU to preserve democracy, while simultaneously saying we should crack down on political freedoms and achieve a result we want.

plembobria:
This Union is for the mutual benefit of democratic nations. It is not a coalition for nation-builders. Yet another election in Rhuvanland will not solve their problems. Democracy is a method of government, not a panacea for internal social issues.

I have no belief that Imperium intends to engage in genocide, or systematic targeting of civilians, and we shall definitely withdraw support from them if they do.

I have no interest in imposing the enormous expense of rebuilding a failed state on the already fragile economies in the DU's trading sphere. And I am especially opposed to having the right honorable delegate from Syrixia's government involved in the project.
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Imperiums statement is clearly intended to inspire fear and to give them the upper hand. I don't believe the DU should be providing funding. However, I believe there is merit to supporting Imperium's overthrow of the Nazo's and administration of Rhuvanland. We could set some conditions on agreement with Imperium, and see this matter dealt with before too long.
 
I'm curious; why Imperium? They came out of nowhere and made a claim on Rhuvanland. It makes sense that they are using fear tactics to get the Rhuvish to surrender, but why them?
 
Imperium is a trustworthy and highly honourable nation. They are not a nation that is known for acting with hostility towards anyone. In fact, we should be commending their strength of leadership in these difficult times.
 
Then so be it. However I do not think the Rhuvish themselves will agree.
 
The opinions of the Rhuvish are not to be considered. They have elected a fascist government dedicated to ethnic cleansing and genocide.
 
While Xentherida is also critical of Imperium Augustum's actions, we believe that the honourable representative of Syrixia may have misinterpreted. With the quote supplied by him, in the second paragraph, we believe it references only the Rhuvish Nazo's leaders' execution, instead of the general execution of all Rhuvish citizens.

"Friedrich Ulrich and his government will be given, again, the option to surrender in the next 24 hours, out of concern for any Rhuvish citizens who may be harmed in the otherwise necessary process of bringing their persons to trial. There will be no commutation of their sentence - merely assurance of safe passage in the afterlife for their repentance - should they comply"

In this quote, the Rhuvish populace are not mentioned as the ones being executed; the "should they comply" reinforces this fact. Since, in that paragraph, Rhuvish citizens are not requested to do any action - meaning there is no action to which they can comply - but instead, the compliance is of Ulrich and his government's surrender.

With the intended meaning, it says that, upon surrendering, Ulrich and his Nazo regime leaders shall be summarily executed.
 
plembobria:
The opinions of the Rhuvish are not to be considered. They have elected a fascist government dedicated to ethnic cleansing and genocide.
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I am not worried about their opinions here, obviously. What I meant was that I do not think the Rhuvish will settle for the Augustine occupation.

Still, however, I do think it appropriate that we vote on supporting the Imperium's efforts. Rhuvanland must be stable again and it must remain this way this time.
 
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