Romanoffia
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You know what we need? A Civil Court section of the Court where civil complaints can be posted so as not to drive the AG up a tree with every little thing that isn't criminal. 
Civil Court
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Indictments for civil cases ought to be posted directly by the plaintiff in Court Filings (in the Courtroom).
I would wait until we know what the will of the RA is concerning civil cases. There is no point making forum changes until then.
Romanoffia
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Crushing Our Enemies:
A civil case doesn't involve an indictment as an indictment is purely criminal.
The 'Court Filings' heading for civil complaints is rather unintuitive. I think a simple "Civil Complaints" section is more appropriate or let the AG decide to proceed criminally or civilly in any given complaint.
flemingovia:
And we could all die of old age before that happens. We can solve the issue by simply having a specific place to file civil complaints (non-criminal) and do so under 'court rules' and be within out rights, or rather, privileges to do so.
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Incorrect. From the court rules:Romanoffia:
Romanoffia
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It's not an indictment proper.
And indictment is charges brought by the state, or in this case, the AG.
Presentation in the form of an indictment is not an indictment as one person cannot indict another - they file a complaint to request the court settle a matter peculiar to the two parties involved. Indictment is TNP v. So and SO.
In RL, a "Summons and Complaint" would be the appropriate form for a civil complaint, which oddly enough follows the exact same form as a criminal charge or indictment.
And indictment is charges brought by the state, or in this case, the AG.
Presentation in the form of an indictment is not an indictment as one person cannot indict another - they file a complaint to request the court settle a matter peculiar to the two parties involved. Indictment is TNP v. So and SO.
In RL, a "Summons and Complaint" would be the appropriate form for a civil complaint, which oddly enough follows the exact same form as a criminal charge or indictment.
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Apparently, the word indictment, in the context of TNP, means something different than it means in RL.
Romanoffia
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And that's one of the problems we have in TNP. Words suddenly have drastically different meanings here in TNP which leads to a lot of confusion.
in·dict·ment, in?d?tm?nt/, noun,
noun: indictment; plural noun: indictments
1. Law
a formal charge or accusation of a serious crime.
"an indictment for conspiracy"
the action of indicting or being indicted.
"the indictment of twelve people who had imported cocaine"
2. a thing that serves to illustrate that a system or situation is bad and deserves to be condemned.
"these rapidly escalating crime figures are an indictment of our society"
Words have specific meanings in the English Language. This forum is conducted in English. If one hears the word "tree" it is reasonable that it should be expected that everyone knows what the definition of the word "Tree" is. The same is true for the term "Indictment".
Unfortunately, some people use words for which they do not understand the definitions. That doesn't change the meaning of words. That's why we have dictionaries.
It is also unfortunate that people tend to make up definitions for words that are incorrect definitions just because they lack the will to look up the word in the dictionary if they don't know what the word actually means. And this is exactly why it is a bad idea for people to have erroneous understandings of the definitions of specific words.
The definitions of words in TNP are the same as they are in real life unless one can prove that an orange is actually black or purple and not orange.
This is why there was such a clusterfuck over TNP v. Grosseschnauzer. Some people see 'fraud' as simple act of 'slander' but 'slander' by all precedent set by the Court is not a criminal offense and no session of the Court in TNP has ever entertained a criminal charge of 'slander'. Slander is not fraud,n fraud is not slander, and not every false statement is fraud or slander.
Believe me when I say it. I deal with this type of crap three nights a week as a magistrate judge in my county. Most lawyers don't even know the proper definitions and, unfortunately most judges are even less educated as to how to use a dictionary.
That said, you could describe a civil complaint as an 'indictment' when it is is presented a pro forma manner, in which instance it is a civil indictment because in TNP and RL, even a civil complaint is submitted in the same form as an indictment.
Also remember that we have a number of people here that have lots of real life legal expertise in terms of dealing with legal proceedings in one capacity or another. For example, myself, Kiwi and Grosseschnauzer just to name three. Those who usually get involved with the Court in TNP generally have RL experience in legal terminology and the proper definitions involved. That means certain terms have very specific definitions that transcend legal systems around the world. Kiwi, for example, is from New Zealand. His understanding of a legal term definition is exactly the same and my understanding or Grosseschnauzer's understanding. A tree is a tree, it is not a dog, it is a tree; and an indictment is an indictment and not a civil complaint.
in·dict·ment, in?d?tm?nt/, noun,
noun: indictment; plural noun: indictments
1. Law
a formal charge or accusation of a serious crime.
"an indictment for conspiracy"
the action of indicting or being indicted.
"the indictment of twelve people who had imported cocaine"
2. a thing that serves to illustrate that a system or situation is bad and deserves to be condemned.
"these rapidly escalating crime figures are an indictment of our society"
Words have specific meanings in the English Language. This forum is conducted in English. If one hears the word "tree" it is reasonable that it should be expected that everyone knows what the definition of the word "Tree" is. The same is true for the term "Indictment".
Unfortunately, some people use words for which they do not understand the definitions. That doesn't change the meaning of words. That's why we have dictionaries.
It is also unfortunate that people tend to make up definitions for words that are incorrect definitions just because they lack the will to look up the word in the dictionary if they don't know what the word actually means. And this is exactly why it is a bad idea for people to have erroneous understandings of the definitions of specific words.
The definitions of words in TNP are the same as they are in real life unless one can prove that an orange is actually black or purple and not orange.
This is why there was such a clusterfuck over TNP v. Grosseschnauzer. Some people see 'fraud' as simple act of 'slander' but 'slander' by all precedent set by the Court is not a criminal offense and no session of the Court in TNP has ever entertained a criminal charge of 'slander'. Slander is not fraud,n fraud is not slander, and not every false statement is fraud or slander.
Believe me when I say it. I deal with this type of crap three nights a week as a magistrate judge in my county. Most lawyers don't even know the proper definitions and, unfortunately most judges are even less educated as to how to use a dictionary.
That said, you could describe a civil complaint as an 'indictment' when it is is presented a pro forma manner, in which instance it is a civil indictment because in TNP and RL, even a civil complaint is submitted in the same form as an indictment.
Also remember that we have a number of people here that have lots of real life legal expertise in terms of dealing with legal proceedings in one capacity or another. For example, myself, Kiwi and Grosseschnauzer just to name three. Those who usually get involved with the Court in TNP generally have RL experience in legal terminology and the proper definitions involved. That means certain terms have very specific definitions that transcend legal systems around the world. Kiwi, for example, is from New Zealand. His understanding of a legal term definition is exactly the same and my understanding or Grosseschnauzer's understanding. A tree is a tree, it is not a dog, it is a tree; and an indictment is an indictment and not a civil complaint.