[Private] Removal of Romanoffia from the TNP v Grosse trial

Flemingovia

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Is this something we need to talk about out of the public eye?

Seems to me that CoE has the authority to do what he has done, but I am at a loss to see the necessity for it.
 
Since Roman has submitted to the entire court that a mistrial may have occurred, I would also like to hear his reasoning as to why this might be the case?
 
From my perspective here's what happened:

1. Roman took a week to deliberate on the motion to dismiss - I told him that I would not tolerate trials being delayed because of Justices dragging their feet, and gave him a specific deadline to dispose of the motion or I would take over the trial. He did not object to that, and disposed of the motion before my deadline.

2. Roman extended discovery by 24 hours to allow more evidence to be gathered. That seemed perfectly reasonable to me.

3. After 24 hours had passed and discovery had still not ended, Kiwi posted a long list of evidentiary motions, and Elu requested another extension to respond. At the time that Roman posted to allow another 24 hours, discovery was entering its 8th day.

4. I PM'd Roman that I would not tolerate any more extensions.

5. After 2 days had passed since Roman's second 1-day extension, and discovery was nearing the close of the 9th day, I decided enough was enough, and decided to take over the trial to end discovery and shift into the argument phase.

6. Bare minutes before I posted, Roman replied to my PM that he would deal with Kiwi's motions promptly. I was not notified of this PM until after I posted.

As it turns out, if I had waited a little longer, it wouldn't have made much of a difference. Nonetheless, my reasoning for taking over the trial is sound. If discovery was only extended 2 days, we should have been 48 hours in to arguments when I posted in the trial thread yesterday, but we were still in discovery. The trial needed to move forward, and Roman was AWOL without telling anyone.
 
flemingovia:
Since Roman has submitted to the entire court that a mistrial may have occurred, I would also like to hear his reasoning as to why this might be the case?

General definition of a mistrial:

"The termination of a trial before its normal conclusion because of a procedural error, statements by a witness, judge or attorney which prejudice a jury, a deadlock by a jury without reaching a verdict after lengthy deliberation (a "hung" jury), or the failure to complete a trial within the time set by the court. When such situations arise, the judge, either on his own initiative or upon the motion (request) of one of the parties will "declare a mistrial," dismiss the jury if there is one, and direct that the lawsuit or criminal prosecution be set for trial again, starting from the beginning."

Also, in determining whether to declare a mistrial, the court must decide whether the error is so prejudicial and fundamental that expenditure of further time and expense would be wasteful, if not futile, and thus requiring a nugatory trial.

Boiled down to the crux of a matter, a mistrial can be called for a number of specific reasons including but not limited to, specifically, as per this particular action by the Chief Justice:

A significant procedural error;
Misconduct or procedural errors that either prevents a fair trial or produces or gives the appearance of an unfair trial;
A general or specific violation and/or denial of due process.

Let us examine these particular points in detail:

"A significant procedural error".

COE's actions is removing me as Presiding Justice on this case is an admission on COE's part but his very action that "a significant procedural error" was committed by the Presiding Justice. In this instance the "significant procedural error" that COE is admitting to in his action is that COE did not think that the trial was moving along fast enough for his liking. Hence, a mistrial has occurred and such a determination is supported by COE apparent need to dismiss the Presiding Justice and to replace said justice with COE.

Of course, COE will claim that since there is no specific rule or law pertaining to 'mistrial' that a mistrial cannot occur even with gross violations of a defendant's constitutional rights as per due process as guaranteed under the Constitution and implied in the Bill of Rights, the Bill of Rights having constitutional validity as though it was part of said Constitution. But we will get to that matter later on.

"Misconduct or procedural errors that either prevents a fair trial or produces or gives the appearance of an unfair trial."

Since a procedural error of significant enough severity occurred according to the Chief Justice that warranted the removal of the Presiding Justice and the Chief Justice assuming the case himself, this could be construed as not only preventing a fair trial but certainly produces and gives the appearance of an unfair trial - COE removes Justice Roman from presiding; COE appoints himself as Presiding Justice; COE, by doing so has placed himself in a position of Conflict of Interest insofar as it materially changes the way the trial is adjudicated and is, in and of itself, a gross error in procedure and possibly judicial misconduct in and of itself regardless of what the 'rules' say. It is not appropriate nor legal to apply a rule or law in a manner designed to thwart a rule or law elsewhere.

Hence, the appearance of an unfair trial and possibly an unfair trial will result because I had specifically different results in how I decided Kiwi's (The Prosecution's) motions as per the admissibility of certain elements, in part, severally, that are definitely exculpatory and irrelevant to the case by the very definition of exculpatory and irrelevant. The matter of whether or not Grosse is guilty or innocent does not rest upon evidence that points to Grosse's perceptions produced by what other people were saying. Under the disposition rendered by COE as per Kiwi's motions relating to exculpatory and irrelevant evidence. If Tim, JAL, The Easter Bunny and Jesus Christ were plotting to coup the region (jokingly or not) in a thread on the board, it is irrelevant to whether or not Grosse thought Kingborough was planning on couping the region.

Mind you, some of Kiwi's objections in his motions was absolutely correct, some were not by strict definition of exculpatory and irrelevant evidence. The decision I was planning on issuing would have reflected what was sustainable and unsustainable as per Kiwi's motions and not a wholesale overruling as issued by COE.

Changing the moderating justice because of the time the trial was taking to conduct also has the effect of changing the rules of evidence because my handling of Kiwi's motion would have a different effect than COE's will.

Obviously, COE spent a good amount of time constructing his out of hand dismissal of Kiwi's motions and prior to dismissing the Presiding Justice in this case, such and action was peremptory and technically unauthorized because he constructed his overruling of the motions in question before dismissing the Presiding Justice. That means COE acted as Presiding Justice before dismissing a Presiding Justice and thus shows a prejudicial disposition on the part of COE and supported by the fact that he assumed the role of Presiding Justice in a conflicting manner. Specifically, COE as a matter of ethics should have appointed the next available Justice or THO as Presiding Justice and not himself.

Of course there are no rules concerning ethics and the fact that COE wanted to speed up the trial so he is indeed entitled to make up any rules he sees fit no matter how arbitrary those on-the-fly rules may be.

A general or specific violation and/or denial of due process.

Then again, no trial has ever been made more fair by speeding it up. And dismissing a Presiding Justice who is going out of his way to make sure that there is to be a fair trial with a proper body of relevant evidence according to rules of evidence just to speed things up makes a mockery out of the Court and justice system. It results in McJustice with a side order of fries. And all over a 30 seconds of time and desire to make sure that the wheels of justice get a good slathering of grease so that the length of the trial is the primary concern and not whether justice is fairly arrived at.

And, as a result, we are beginning to see the tip of the opinion iceberg pop up above the waves in a comment given by Punk D in the public gallery that directly supports my above opinion as stated. To wit: http://forum.thenorthpacific.org/single/?p=8122803&t=7133799

Also, COE makes a statement in the same thread that supports my opinion that this whole trial has become more about how long it takes to conduct a trial instead of administering fair and impartial justice. To wit: http://forum.thenorthpacific.org/single/?p=8122823&t=7133799

Hence, since it clearly appears according to COE's actions and the above statement he made in the public gallery of the Court that the case of TNP v.Grosseschnauzer is to be adjudicated mainly on the basis of shortening the trial rather than administering fair and impartial justice, a state of denial of due process has been established. Again, no trial has ever been made fairer by abridging its duration.

Also, a major procedural error was committed by COE insofar as he removed a legitimate objection stated by a Justice who is sitting in judgment on this case and moved it to the public gallery.

My specific objection to COE's action is not only legitimate but also germane to the case being tried because it directly bears upon whether or not a fair trial or a mistrial is being conducted as a result of those actions. Under the present rules of the Court, this implies that a Chief Justice can arbitrarily do anything he or she wants because the rules say a CJ can make up the rules at will. If this is the case, then we do not have a justice system in TNP, we have a kangaroo court whereby a CJ can interfere with a case arbitrarily for any reason whatsoever.

Also, removing from the record a legitimate objection by a Justice is judicial misconduct at best regardless of the reason. That obvious censorship of a legitimate objection by a justice who is nevertheless sitting in judgment on this case clearly taints the entire legitimacy of the proceeding. Everyone saw what happened (removal of an objection) and moving that objection to another section of the court forum doesn't hide it. It just makes it look like court justices can simply edit the record if they hear something they don't want to hear or want anyone else to hear.

Again, if a Justice can remove from the official record a legitimate objection made by another justice who is still sitting on the case, we have no justice system at all and certainly nothing resembling a fair trial at this point.

And this is why I objected, on the record, in a manner germane to the case and I submit that I should be able to re-state my objection on the record and in the Court clearly and with explanation in detail as per whether or not this constitutes a mistrial, a denial of due process, a gross procedural violation and possibly judicial misconduct on the part of the Chief Justice.

I contend that if the CJ can arbitrarily alter the entire tenor and body of evidence at will then there can be no justice, only speedy delivery of politically correct justice with the speed of a trial being the main object and not the delivery of justice.

COE's action of removing me as Presiding Justice on this case makes a laughing stock of the Court, it's procedures, and indeed its very legitimacy as it relates to providing a forum for fair and impartial justice.


Now, aren't you sorry you asked that question? :P






Crushing Our Enemies:
From my perspective here's what happened:

1. Roman took a week to deliberate on the motion to dismiss - I told him that I would not tolerate trials being delayed because of Justices dragging their feet, and gave him a specific deadline to dispose of the motion or I would take over the trial. He did not object to that, and disposed of the motion before my deadline.

2. Roman extended discovery by 24 hours to allow more evidence to be gathered. That seemed perfectly reasonable to me.

3. After 24 hours had passed and discovery had still not ended, Kiwi posted a long list of evidentiary motions, and Elu requested another extension to respond. At the time that Roman posted to allow another 24 hours, discovery was entering its 8th day.

4. I PM'd Roman that I would not tolerate any more extensions.

5. After 2 days had passed since Roman's second 1-day extension, and discovery was nearing the close of the 9th day, I decided enough was enough, and decided to take over the trial to end discovery and shift into the argument phase.

6. Bare minutes before I posted, Roman replied to my PM that he would deal with Kiwi's motions promptly. I was not notified of this PM until after I posted.

As it turns out, if I had waited a little longer, it wouldn't have made much of a difference. Nonetheless, my reasoning for taking over the trial is sound. If discovery was only extended 2 days, we should have been 48 hours in to arguments when I posted in the trial thread yesterday, but we were still in discovery. The trial needed to move forward, and Roman was AWOL without telling anyone.

If you had waited just 30 seconds longer, it would have made a world of difference, especially concerning the body of evidence and what is and is not germane, relevant and exculpatory. And 48 hours is a straw man of the most specious and factitious kind.

The trial needed to move forward COE wanted to make a point that we can conduct trials at break-neck speed for the sake of having fast trials.

The basic problem is that you want a fast trial and I want a fair trial even if it takes a while longer. And I don't want the outcome to look like it's pandering to whatever faction that is for or against Grosse.

Plainly put, you action in removing me from Presiding over this case and then assuming that position yourself has done inestimable damage to the credibility of the Court as a forum for justice. You have turned a long-running trial into something that doesn't even resemble a fair trial, not even remotely.

Frankly, I am even more disgusted at current court procedure, 'rules' and the ability of a Chief Justice to make up whatever rules in an arbitrary and capricious fashion than Flemingovia is.

You can go ahead and laugh at me, deride me and attempt to humiliate me in the Courtroom, but this is where I stand on the matter. I am utterly disgusted and disillusioned at what this Court has devolved into since I first served as a Justice several years ago. We need justice, not reckless race to a speedy conclusion ultimately resulting in a joke being made out of the Court.
 
OK. I think it seems pretty clear where both sides stand in this. there are a number of questions that I have resulting from this:

1. where does this leave the TNP vs Grosse trial?

1.1 Who is going to be the presiding justice from this point on?
From CoE's posts, and his statement that he is prepared to take a hit to his reputation, it is pretty clear that he is going to use his authority as Chief Justice to continue this trial personally.

1.2 Has there been a mistrial?
On Balance, I am inclined to say that a mistrial would be the best response, and we start again. This means 2 justices are in favour or a mistrial, and one is (presumably) against. But since the one who is against is the Chief Justice, I am not sure where this leaves us. This leads me on to the next issue...

2. Where does this leave the justice team?

I say "team" advisedly, because one of the disappointing issues for me is that CoE seems to be acting not as Chief Justice but as Sole Justice. The removal of Roman was undertaken without any consultation, and CoE has now said that he will be personally presiding over both the cases on our books.


One of the roles of CJ is to see cases through. But another is to build and lead the Justice Team. Seems to me that CoE has focussed soley on the former at the expense of the latter.

So where do we go from here?
 
1.1
Correct - I will be the moderating justice of TNP v Grosse for the remainder of the trial.

1.2
There is no precedent for a "mistrial" under the current constitution and court rules, and I don't believe the matter is up for a vote. That being said, even if it were up to a vote, Blue Wolf would be the third, since you have recused yourself from this case due to a conflict of interest, flem. It would not be appropriate fora witness in the trial to contribute to a decision regarding a mistrial.

The closest thing we have to a mistrial would be dismissing the case without prejudice, leaving the charges to be refiled, and that is the decision of the moderating justice, not the full court.

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This is the more important question, I think. First off, I'll admit that that my actions have naturally changed the calculation for who should moderate the upcoming JAL case, and it ought to be one of you, properly.

My post in the trial thread was not intended to anger or upset Roman. It wasn't intended to embarrass or humiliate Roman. You'll notice that all it even says about Roman was that he hadn't logged in for a while. I don't think that Roman, by and large, has mishandled the trial. On the whole, I think he's done an outstanding job, particularly in the last couple weeks. The reason I took the trial over was that we were past the deadline that Roman set for the end of the discovery, and the trial needed to move along.

I didn't mean for that to reflect poorly on Roman at all - we're all gone for varying lengths of time sometimes. The fact that he was gone when discovery was set to end meant that someone else needed to step in and move things along - that doesn't make him a bad justice, or even a careless one. It just means that his absence was poorly timed. And if I had known that he was online and ready to dispense with Kiwi's motions just before I posted, I would have held off and let him go ahead. Unfortunately, I didn't find out till afterward.

I am interested in this court working as a cohesive team, but the priority needs to be executing our duties by efficiently carrying case through to a verdict. I don't mean that cases have to be fast - they don't. I simply mean that anytime the ball is in our court (so to speak), we need to return it swiftly. The defense and prosecution can have plenty of extra time if they need it, but we, as justices, should not take extra time. We don't need it. If a case gets bogged down cause there are a lot of depositions to take, and the parties are having a hard time tracking down witnesses, I'm ok with that. But if a case gets delayed because we aren't there to move things into the next step, I have a problem with that.

Roman, extending discovery 24 hours into a day when you knew you weren't going to be online to handle the evidentiary motions was a bad move. We can't have mistakes like that. I'm sorry this didn't go the way you wanted it to, and I regret that this unfolded so dramatically.

I think in the new court rules, we should create a procedure for the appointment and removal of a moderating justice, so that there will be safeguards in place to keep this from happening. The power of the CJ is not all-encompassing. The CJ only has discretion in areas that the rules do not have a solution. Having a sensible procedure for the removal of a moderating justice (with, perhaps, a timetable of warnings/notices, a minimum inactivity requirement, having the other two justices on the bench agree that the MJ needs to be removed, etc) will prevent stuff like this from happening in future courts. I would hate for my ill-advised action in this matter to be considered precedent by future CJs.

Nonetheless, however ill-advised it was, it has not caused a mistrial, any more than changing justices due to an election would cause a mistrial.
 
I didn't mean for that to reflect poorly on Roman at all

You suddenly and pre-emptively fire someone, and you do not think it reflects poorly on them? Good grief. Are you really that naïve?

If I were Romanoffia, I would be spitting feathers.
 
To be honest, I wasn't thinking about Roman at all - I was thinking about how I don't want to recess between Christmas and New Years to get this trial finished. I figured Roman would understand, seeing as how he's been a pretty big advocate for shorter trials in general. I didn't say anything bad about him, just pointed out that he wasn't there. There's nothing wrong about what he did, but it did necessitate moving the trial along, one way or another. So yeah - I didn't mean for it to reflect poorly on him. Everyone misses a few days here and there, but the couple days he missed here were crucial to the progress of the trial.
 
flemingovia:
OK. I think it seems pretty clear where both sides stand in this. there are a number of questions that I have resulting from this:

1. where does this leave the TNP vs Grosse trial?

1.1 Who is going to be the presiding justice from this point on?
From CoE's posts, and his statement that he is prepared to take a hit to his reputation, it is pretty clear that he is going to use his authority as Chief Justice to continue this trial personally.

1.2 Has there been a mistrial?
On Balance, I am inclined to say that a mistrial would be the best response, and we start again. This means 2 justices are in favour or a mistrial, and one is (presumably) against. But since the one who is against is the Chief Justice, I am not sure where this leaves us. This leads me on to the next issue...

2. Where does this leave the justice team?

I say "team" advisedly, because one of the disappointing issues for me is that CoE seems to be acting not as Chief Justice but as Sole Justice. The removal of Roman was undertaken without any consultation, and CoE has now said that he will be personally presiding over both the cases on our books.


One of the roles of CJ is to see cases through. But another is to build and lead the Justice Team. Seems to me that CoE has focussed soley on the former at the expense of the latter.

So where do we go from here?


After reading COE's response to 1.0 and 1.2, concerning especially the precedent for a 'mistrial' being non-existant; we are here to set precedent and COE is incorrect to use 'lack of precedent' concerning mistrials as an excuse to not declare a mistrial or even entertain the possibility that his action fouled due process.

Remember, due process is guaranteed constitutionally via the Bill of Rights. What happens when due process is not met because a justice refuses to realize that his own actions fouled the entire process, materially and morally? Is such an obvious error to be ignored and then presided over by the very person who disrupted the process and fouled the whole trial merely because there is no 'process' for declaring a mistrial?

Coe is stuck in the process and clearly has no regard for the spirit of the law, and then make up arbitrary rules to speed up a trial instead of delivering justice.

When one gets stuck in the process and the process is the main goal, justice is dead and the legal system is a fossil in a museum.

So, now, it's been nearly 48 hours since COE issued an edict dictating that the parties in this trial have five days to present their arguments, legal and otherwise and yet none of the parties have even lifted a finger to do so. So much for judicial edicts. I wouldn't blame the Prosecution nor the Defense if they boycotted the rest of the trial and simply refused to respond. And then what would be the Court's response? A summary judgment? Yeah, that would look really good for the court, wouldn't it?

And once again, we have a trial that is going nowhere. And why? Because of the speed of the God damned 'process' taking precedence over rendering justice in a fair and impartial way. And you know what will happen? The decision no matter how it goes will get appealed by one party or the other, that is, unless COE claims there is no precedent for an appeal or makes up another rule on the fly to prevent any kind of appeal. Either way, it isn't going to be pretty because a lot of people will be upset over the matter.

At least when I was presiding over this case, something was getting accomplished despite the process. Something was actually getting accomplished because I used my legitimate judicial discretion to literally work around the fossilized and constipated process. But apparently enough, rendering a quick decision seems to be the rule of the day rather than rendering a well thought out and just decision regardless of the length of the process.

And here's the pathetic irony of it all:

All three of us ran for Court Justices on platforms that promoted serious change in our Judicial Rules and processes to make trials move more efficiently. And what happens? The very second I try to accomplish this in as efficient manner as possible and actually start getting this trial moving again, COE steps in and totally buggers the whole affair up because COE is obsessively and compulsively stuck in the process and demands a speedy end to the trial at the expense of Justice being served.

If you look in a dictionary under the word "mistrial" you will see a picture of TNP v. Grosseschnauzer. COE dumps a Presiding Justice because COE thinks the trial isn't moving fast enough, sacrifices a sound and just rendition of this trial for the sake of speed, COE replaces the Presiding Justice with COE, and then demands that the parties jump to it, chop-chop, and nearly 48 hours have passed for arguments and all I hear is crickets and even they sound bored. And no matter what the decision is, it will be bad because the process has been fouled and denied due process to both the Prosecution and Defense.

And what do you call a trial that is all buggered up because speed is the main concern rather than sound justice? A mistrial, a bloody mistrial, that's what it's called regardless of 'precedent'. In fact, the whole Court process and rules is a bloody mistrial in and of itself when a CJ has the authority to bugger around by replacing a Presiding Justice with himself just to enforce his own time limits over the time limits and flexibility of the removed Justice.

This trial is a sham and the only reasonable, rational and logical thing to do is for COE to admit his error of interfering with the trial and to set the precedent of 'mistrial' as a result of lack of due process and irregular actions on the part of the CJ who took it upon himself to set the precedent that speed is above justice.

This trial is so fouled because of COE's actions that it should be either declared a mistrial and retried or entirely dismissed without prejudice which would allow Kiwi to bring the charges again for a new trial or not as he decided.

This whole trial is the result of a comedy of errors involving certain people who were probably joking around about a coup and Grosseschnauzer drawing a somewhat logical conclusion based upon his lack of a sense of humor and desire to post in purple instead of black.

Again, mistrial is a term that is embeded in every sane and rational legal system despite the lack of the specific term existing in codified law. A defendant has a right to fair and impartial trial and due process and this is obviously not happening as a result of COE's actions.

To continue a trial that has been fouled can only result in a fouled decision. Mistial by the very definition.





flemingovia:
I didn't mean for that to reflect poorly on Roman at all

You suddenly and pre-emptively fire someone, and you do not think it reflects poorly on them? Good grief. Are you really that naïve?

If I were Romanoffia, I would be spitting feathers.

I'm not spitting feathers. I'm spitting nails and my head is spinning around like Linda Blair in The Exorcist.

I keep kicking myself in the ass over not having dismissed this case, without prejudice, because of a really shittily and inanely constructed indictment on the grounds of lack of substance, and then let Kiwi construct a better indictment, one that actually made sense, political fallout be damned.

At this point I'm really ready to just throw my hands up in frustration because obviously nothing is every going to change concerning the rules and procedures of this court because nothing is every going to change because nothing every changes - and that is the over-arching precedent set by COE.

The only way this shit-capade we call a Justice System is going to change is if we take away the Chief Justice's ability to stick his or her nose into other justice's cases in the manner COE did. We need a Chief Justice, not a Dictator Justice who creates rules on the fly.
 
Okay. Here is my take so far.

1. CoE acted within his authority as Chief Justice. However, that does not mean that his actions were correct.

2. Romanoffia should not have been removed from presiding over this trial, particularly in the manner in which it took place. He ought to be reinstated immediately and an apology issued.

3. This seems to be the opinion of two of the three elected justices.

4. The trial of TNP vs Grosse is now compromised beyond redemption. There should be a mistrial declared. We can as start again if we wish, but I see no point. I cannot see a conviction as a likelihood, however guilty Grosse may be.

5. There is no legal precedent for declaring a mistrial - but likewise there is no legal precedent for firing a presiding justice mid-trial. we are already in uncharted waters here. As Roman has said, sometimes justices need to create precedent, not just follow it.

6. That there has been a mistrial seems also to be the opinion of two of the three elected justices.

7. Despite the above, I have looked at the Constitution etc and it seems that the authority of the Chief Justice is absolute. He cannot be removed or gainstayed. He can shit on another justice from a great height (as has happened here) and can go against the opinion of the other justices, and we can do nothing about it. that's life.

It is really up to CoE what he does now. As I said in point 2, a backtrack and apology would seem to me to be the best course, and that is what I would do if I were in his position.
 
7. Despite the above, I have looked at the Constitution etc and it seems that the authority of the Chief Justice is absolute. He cannot be removed or gainstayed. He can shit on another justice from a great height (as has happened here) and can go against the opinion of the other justices, and we can do nothing about it. that's life.

A Chief Justice can be removed - by the RA.

But currently, there is too much arbitrary power given to the CJ. This can be changed by laws passed in the RA.

But back to the main topic - this trial should indeed be declared a mistrial for all the stated reason.
 
Romanoffia:
7. Despite the above, I have looked at the Constitution etc and it seems that the authority of the Chief Justice is absolute. He cannot be removed or gainstayed. He can shit on another justice from a great height (as has happened here) and can go against the opinion of the other justices, and we can do nothing about it. that's life.

A Chief Justice can be removed - by the RA.

But currently, there is too much arbitrary power given to the CJ. This can be changed by laws passed in the RA.

But back to the main topic - this trial should indeed be declared a mistrial for all the stated reason.
You are correct. I meant that he cannot be removed by the justices that elected him.
 
I regret the fact that legal proceedings have begun concerning this issue. I would have thought we could work things out sensibly and like adults.

I do not think the legal proceedings preclude us continuing discussions here. indeed, I would hope that discussion here might make a prosecution unnecessary.
 
I am unwilling to consider any solution that includes further delay of TNP v Grosse. Unless compelled to, I will not dismiss the case.

I am willing to consider rather a lot of solutions that do not include further delay of TNP v Grosse, but I will admit that what little goodwill I had left has been wholly erased by the criminal complaint brought against me.

Flemingovia, I am being charged with a crime. In other words, not only is my reputation in TNP on the line, but my office and voting privileges as well. I am not a criminal. I fear that I will not be satisfied by any remedy save an innocent verdict.
 
I do not think that reinstating Romanoffia would result in significant further delays. It would also go a long way to restoring the goodwill that has been lost by this.

A good leader knows when to admit they are wrong, and when to cut their losses. Sometimes they even have to do that if they believe that they are in the right - for the greater good.

A compromise might be: Roman is reinstated as presiding justice; charges against CoE are dropped; the trial is seen through to conclusion (which is soon, I hope) and no mistrial is declared.

Does that work at all?
 
I wholeheartedly agree to the terms of Roman being reinstated as Moderating Justice, seeing the trial through to completion, and not declaring a mistrial. To be honest, if he hadn't immediately started talking about mistrials, I probably would have done that on my own a while ago.

I am reluctant to see the charges dropped, because I have a strong desire to clear my name in court. However, I realize that the longer this matter is prolonged, the more it will hurt the efficiency and productivity of the court, so I agree to that term as well.
 
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