Request for Debates

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I would like to ask the Election Commission to please organize one or more debates between the Delegates during the period between Nominations and Voting.
 
Govindia:
If any debates are to happen, they should be on these forums and NOT on IRC.
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I strongly disagree.

One of the points to a debate is to put a candidate on the spot. IRC can do that. It's much more fast-paced and you can't exactly stall off for too long on it.

Doing it on the forum can give a candidate hours at a time to think of a perfect answer to any question and gives a much less accurate analysis of the Candidate than a Live IRC Debate would.
 
Tim:
Govindia:
If any debates are to happen, they should be on these forums and NOT on IRC.
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I strongly disagree.

One of the points to a debate is to put a candidate on the spot. IRC can do that. It's much more fast-paced and you can't exactly stall off for too long on it.

Doing it on the forum can give a candidate hours at a time to think of a perfect answer to any question and gives a much less accurate analysis of the Candidate than a Live IRC Debate would.
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IRC is not legally recognised as a form of communications by TNP, only the WFE, RMB, and forum are.

And not everyone has access to the IRC channel, denying people access to having questions answered and watching of the debates
 
Govindia:
Tim:
Govindia:
If any debates are to happen, they should be on these forums and NOT on IRC.
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I strongly disagree.

One of the points to a debate is to put a candidate on the spot. IRC can do that. It's much more fast-paced and you can't exactly stall off for too long on it.

Doing it on the forum can give a candidate hours at a time to think of a perfect answer to any question and gives a much less accurate analysis of the Candidate than a Live IRC Debate would.
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IRC is not legally recognised as a form of communications by TNP, only the WFE, RMB, and forum are.

And not everyone has access to the IRC channel, denying people access to having questions answered and watching of the debates
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So because IRC is not legally recognized, we shouldn't use it... Even if it is more efficient for the purpose of what we are doing?

Your suggesting to have it on the forum doesn't make sense, since we already have the Campaign/Exploratory Threads.

As well as this, I am highly doubtful that we would be doing the debates in #tnp. There would most likely be a separate channel made by the Election Committee, so they are able to mute and then voice those people who are asking questions. My thoughts are that the debate would work in the same basic form as to how a MaxChat works, where people get voiced so they can ask a question, and then remuted again.
 
Tim:
Govindia:
Tim:
Govindia:
If any debates are to happen, they should be on these forums and NOT on IRC.
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I strongly disagree.

One of the points to a debate is to put a candidate on the spot. IRC can do that. It's much more fast-paced and you can't exactly stall off for too long on it.

Doing it on the forum can give a candidate hours at a time to think of a perfect answer to any question and gives a much less accurate analysis of the Candidate than a Live IRC Debate would.
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IRC is not legally recognised as a form of communications by TNP, only the WFE, RMB, and forum are.

And not everyone has access to the IRC channel, denying people access to having questions answered and watching of the debates
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So because IRC is not legally recognized, we shouldn't use it... Even if it is more efficient for the purpose of what we are doing?

Your suggesting to have it on the forum doesn't make sense, since we already have the Campaign/Exploratory Threads.

As well as this, I am highly doubtful that we would be doing the debates in #tnp. There would most likely be a separate channel made by the Election Committee, so they are able to mute and then voice those people who are asking questions. My thoughts are that the debate would work in the same basic form as to how a MaxChat works, where people get voiced so they can ask a question, and then remuted again.
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Well I'd like the ELECOM to confirm this.
 
Govindia:
Tim:
Govindia:
If any debates are to happen, they should be on these forums and NOT on IRC.
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I strongly disagree.

One of the points to a debate is to put a candidate on the spot. IRC can do that. It's much more fast-paced and you can't exactly stall off for too long on it.

Doing it on the forum can give a candidate hours at a time to think of a perfect answer to any question and gives a much less accurate analysis of the Candidate than a Live IRC Debate would.
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IRC is not legally recognised as a form of communications by TNP, only the WFE, RMB, and forum are.

And not everyone has access to the IRC channel, denying people access to having questions answered and watching of the debates
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You do realize that #tnp is not the only channel in existence, correct?
 
I'm gathering Govindia is complaining because he's banned from #tnp? I'm sure we can make a new channel to facilitate a debate if the election coms wish to do this.

Edit: Just noticed Elu's post. In which case we should use that channel if the election coms wish to use IRC.
 
Govindia is entitled to be treated equally with respect to any debates involving the candidates for the office he is seeking.
It really shouldn't be necessary to spell that out.
 
Grosseschnauzer:
Govindia is entitled to be treated equally with respect to any debates involving the candidates for the office he is seeking.
It really shouldn't be necessary to spell that out.
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He is being treated equally. I don't see any inequality about this.

It seems that his concern was that the debates would be held in #tnp, from where he is banned. We would be using a different channel for the debate, so I do not see how it could be a problem.
 
Tim:
Grosseschnauzer:
Govindia is entitled to be treated equally with respect to any debates involving the candidates for the office he is seeking.
It really shouldn't be necessary to spell that out.
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He is being treated equally. I don't see any inequality about this.

It seems that his concern was that the debates would be held in #tnp, from where he is banned. We would be using a different channel for the debate, so I do not see how it could be a problem.
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It hasn't been confirmed what channel has been used.
 
Govindia:
Tim:
Grosseschnauzer:
Govindia is entitled to be treated equally with respect to any debates involving the candidates for the office he is seeking.
It really shouldn't be necessary to spell that out.
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He is being treated equally. I don't see any inequality about this.

It seems that his concern was that the debates would be held in #tnp, from where he is banned. We would be using a different channel for the debate, so I do not see how it could be a problem.
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It hasn't been confirmed what channel has been used.
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True.

I am just assuming, since that is what was done in the last election.

[me]awaits a confirmation from the Committee
 
Govindia:
Tim:
Grosseschnauzer:
Govindia is entitled to be treated equally with respect to any debates involving the candidates for the office he is seeking.
It really shouldn't be necessary to spell that out.
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He is being treated equally. I don't see any inequality about this.

It seems that his concern was that the debates would be held in #tnp, from where he is banned. We would be using a different channel for the debate, so I do not see how it could be a problem.
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It hasn't been confirmed what channel has been used.
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Considering a debate itself has been requested and not confirmed by the Election Coms nor has IRC been confirmed as the method of conducting the debate, it makes sense that it has not.
 
The Election Commission will organize Debates for both the Delegate and Vice-Delegate positions and the debates WILL be held on IRC in #tnp_debates.
 
I'd recommend that you take Hileville up on his gracious offer and figure out what time you want your debates. I don't have the necessary knowledge to moderate them, so this Friday or Saturday will have to be the day.

Nominations are over at 2359 GMT on the 7th, but I don't see a problem with having the debates a few hours earlier than nominations close, if necessary.
 
I should be free pretty much anytime those days.

Do we want to try doing it at 2000 EST.

It seems to be the most convenient time for the 3 continents.
 
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