Nazis

Assuming you mean in-game?

In a sense all NS is roleplay: My various personae in NS are very different from my real life character (especially in the Meritocracy), and some people like to make the role play more prominent part of their game - and good luck to them.

HOWEVER, there are some aspects of human character and history that should make people uneasy about them being trivialised by roleplay, or anything else that makes a game out of them.

For example, I would be uneasy about a region that was built around roleplaying the rape and humiliation of women, or built around a recreation of black slavery; and I am uneasy about those regions built around Naziism. At once it glorifies a shameful episode in human history, while at the same time trivialising the suffering and death of thousands by turning it into a game.

in addition, for some it is simple roleplay, but there have been other regions that have been created by people to reflect their real-life politics. Over the years i think of the regions "Stormfront" and "Nazi Deutschland Axis", but I am sure there are others.

And in this there is another consideration for the game as a whole: A few years ago Nationstates gained some real-life notoriety when it was accused of being a networking and recruitment vehicle for far right politics - purely because of the existance of nazi regions.
 
IIRC, Nazi flags and emblems are banned as NS flags, as a minimum, and I've been under the impression that things that directly invoke the Nazis are banned,
 
flemingovia:
Assuming you mean in-game?

In a sense all NS is roleplay: My various personae in NS are very different from my real life character (especially in the Meritocracy), and some people like to make the role play more prominent part of their game - and good luck to them.

HOWEVER, there are some aspects of human character and history that should make people uneasy about them being trivialised by roleplay, or anything else that makes a game out of them.

For example, I would be uneasy about a region that was built around roleplaying the rape and humiliation of women, or built around a recreation of black slavery; and I am uneasy about those regions built around Naziism. At once it glorifies a shameful episode in human history, while at the same time trivialising the suffering and death of thousands by turning it into a game.

in addition, for some it is simple roleplay, but there have been other regions that have been created by people to reflect their real-life politics. Over the years i think of the regions "Stormfront" and "Nazi Deutschland Axis", but I am sure there are others.

And in this there is another consideration for the game as a whole: A few years ago Nationstates gained some real-life notoriety when it was accused of being a networking and recruitment vehicle for far right politics - purely because of the existance of nazi regions.
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I pretty much agree with this 100%. Would also add that Nazis and white supremacists are often dangerous IRL - I would not want their involvement in any community I was also involved with, especially NS.

The primary argument I've been hearing involves the IC/OOC line - that using in-game instruments to oppose out of game ideologies is misplaced. To that I ask... 'why not?' and I have yet to receive a solid answer...
 
In RL - forget freedom of speech, they're fools and should be treated as such

In NS - as long as they aren't spreading nazi messages, I say just ignore them
 
Dyr Nasad:
In RL - forget freedom of speech, they're fools and should be treated as such

In NS - as long as they aren't spreading nazi messages, I say just ignore them
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Ignoring them is the best thing to do. If you suppress them, then they can claim that you are just like them. Typical tactic of that ilk.
 
I have no problem if someone wants to RP as a Nazi, though I think they're misguided because of all the RL baggage.

I very definitely DON'T like RL Nazis!
 
If that is the case then they have blurred the line between RL and roleplay, not anyone else, and deserve the same contempt most of us would give neo-nazis in our town.
 
It is my understanding that while these region's member claim it to be "in-game personality" more then a RL personality, in practice they continue to show their blatant respect for Nazi, Neo-Nazi group, and Adolf Hitler (At least I remember seeing that on RMB before WA Condemnation pass, after that they tend to keep in on the forum) which is unacceptable in every way to NS community.

I feels that it is necessary for Nationstates as a whole to take measure to rid the game of this disgusting group of regions by all measures including invasion to close these regions and outright diplomatic blockade against them. Fascism or extreme-right should be allowed though.
 
Just a little horn tooting,
I was the First Non Nazi Delegate of Germany back in my invader days.
(at one time we had driven the Nazis out of the game but they managed to stay due to everyone thinking it was a worse offense to invade a region than to want to kill all minorities.)
 
My position on that mostly stems from the fact that I used to be in the ADN 4-5 years ago when they would invade raider regions as standard practice :P

The defender game has definitely changed over the years, that's for certain. Many of the old ADN's efforts to curb invaders would be considered taboo now.
 
I think they should be allowed as socialist nationalist ideology.but they should get rid of their antisemitism baggage and declare a clean break from Reich ideology.
 
They are a stain on Nationstates, and bring real life prejudices into the game.

People who deserve contempt can expect contempt.
 
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