He was banned on the other channel for circumventing a Ban by another OP. Gov never bothered to first contact the channel owner in regards to that ban. Which would have gotten the ban lifted. he just flat out circumvented it.
I have already explained it was accidental. I had an IP change when I entered (because obviously I had IPs switch when I moved) and I didn't know I had to manually enter the /part command to leave a channel, as opposed to simply closing a tab in Pidgin IRC.
Secondly, this is going way too personal. I am RA so I have every right to be in that government channel at any time, not just for designated meetings. The only reasons I couldn't come in for the earlier meetings was you held them when I was at work, which I had already told you, and you went ahead and set those meetings anyway. If its a government channel, you must allow any government official to enter in as he or she pleases, regardless of whatever personal opinions you may have of them.
Thirdly, with regard to Flem's knockjob of an argument:
TNP's IRC channel is indeed a governmental affair especially for #thenorthpacific, and since TNP issues do get discussed in #tnp. It is also a governmental affair for both since government officials do enter both channels and do talk about government matters, even if only casually.
If we decide to bring #tnp under government control, then so be it. But if so we need to find a way where judicial decisions can be rendered quickly and the mods protected from prosecution themselves, since modding decisions often need to be made on the spur of the moment when a conversation becomes heated
The problem with some IRC mods in #tnp is that they've abused their modship in pursuit of personal biases for or against someone: I.E. JAL and New Kervoskia.
In Govindia's case his banning came at the end of a long process. He was warned and repeatedly spoken to about his behaviour, he was taken under the wing of Thel D'ran and mentored by him for quite a while. He was banned and readmitted to the channel. In the end, nothing worked, and until he can handle the cut and thrust of IRC conversation, he is out.
Since his banning he has repeatedly petitioned to be readmitted. Several times I have asked other members of the channel if he should be allowed back in. The response has been a pretty resounding "no", with several even saying that if he was readmitted, they would immediately leave.
First off, Flemingovia missed the little detail here about the fact that at times when I was in here, multiple times people like Agamemnon, Mahasoor, and some of their company would flamebait me to the point that my buttons were correctly pushed by them, and I responded angrily to their flaming.
However, instead of them being properly punished, I was given the short end of the stick and banned while they got off scot free.
Just because it's IRC does not mean it has to stereotypically be like 4 chan. It's a stupid excuse. Flamebaiting should not be tolerated and the mods of the #tnp channel need to take action against them in as harsh a manner as the one who responded to the flamebait received action.
Most of the people who supposedly are in the #tnp IRC channel are NS foreigners or retired TNPers, and are not active TNP citizens, so their opinion should not count. Hell there shouldn't even be foreigners allowed to be mods of #tnp at all, it should be TNPers who should be mods.
For this reason, my ban has been and always will be considered as unduly harsh and unjustified. Those people need to learn to respect other people as human beings and not flamebait someone because A. "its the internet" or B. they don't like someone. It's silly and immature for them to leave because they can't handle someone over ther Internet in a MATURE manner. If they can't learn to behave, ship them off to boot camp or something so they can learn PROPER discipline :angry:.
Otherwise, they need to put up with me and learn to deal with EVERYONE in a mature and respectful manner, regardless of their personal opinions of someone, PERIOD.
If both IRC channels are in the WFE, they are public, and hence, must be regulated by the government and the courts.
Therefore, Tres and Flem's arguments are invalid and I should be allowed back in the channels with no special restrictions others are not given, PERIOD.
