"Founder: Nastic"

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Sydia

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Anyone else noticed this gem in the WFE? What are we, the Pacific? If we're going down that road (which IMO is bullcrap, because the founder is and always will be Max, and anything else is a lie which will make baby Jesus cry) at least honour people long gone who made massive contributions to this region and who aren't still around to have their egos massaged. Nothing against Nastic, but sheesh.

*cough*MAGICALITY*cough cough*
 
I must admit that I thought that a bit odd. generally speaking in TNP we have chosen not to elevate the contribution of one individual over others.

Now, "founder Max" or "founder [violet]" I could understand.
 
Just so we are straight about this, I never asked for it and I'm not around to have my ego massaged, if I wanted that treatment I'd head over to the Thailand region and join the Love you long time section, bullcrap like the comments above is why I do not bother posting around here or the RMB much these last few years.
 
Oh no, we were never accusing you of that.

Well, I wasn't at least. I know that you've never asked to be put in the WFE, just that some people like to do it.
 
If you had a problem you could have contacted me.

My plan was to make a founder every week of Old Timers, active or who have CTE. I placed Nastic up there because he was one of the vets (when I was first born in this region) that would keep in contact with me and would always have something positive to say. For years we called him "The Godfather." No complaints then....but now we have some?

I was rather displeased when Nastic told me that he felt like this region had out grown him. More accurate would be to say that "Old Guard" here had forgotten about him. A few of the Vets in the region (who do not participate in the forum) have expressed this. One of my goals is to revive some of our history and reconnect with the veteran nations in the region.

If I am not mistaken...I was the first nation to be placed as founder in this region...Prior to the Pacific making Francos founder....It was a bet...but we had no complaints...now that its Nastic we have a problem?

Nastic was not going to remain up there. My plan was to name a different vet every week as founder and add one of their quotes found in S2. Next week will be Magicality and a quote from Treenudity (if anyone here remembers her)....Miranda and a few others next.

I really don't see the problem here. No one else is making much of an effort to change our image, preserve our history and gain more support from the nations in the region. As Delegate I see this as my responsibility...I am doing my job. Founder, the quotes and the Spotlight on a nation is my way of trying to gain more support.

So Hail Nastic!!! :worship:

Oh...and screw Max and Violet. NS2 is sh&%^ and we have friggin CN ads on NS. Influence killed an aspect of this game that was fun and kept us active. I will not hail people who have failed to keep this game going. What are they doing for us now?
 
Tresville:
If I am not mistaken...I was the first nation to be placed as founder in this region...Prior to the Pacific making Francos founder....It was a bet...but we had no complaints...now that its Nastic we have a problem?
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Yes, because we're not the Pacific, and patting ourselves on the back for...being here a long time isn't a good look. The history is on the forum, not making stuff up to fill up the WFE.
 
We have over 20 veteran nations with influence that are endorsing less than 5 nations. 11 of them have not even endorsed me (vets with a position of 200 and lower) Over 150 nations endorsing no one.

I believe this is a due to the rogues and dictators we have had. But that is just my opinion.
 
Sydia:
Yes, because we're not the Pacific, and patting ourselves on the back for...being here a long time isn't a good look.
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Well thats your opinion. I respect it...doesn't mean I agree with it.

I don't know what the Pacific has to do with it. We did it first...they just kept doing it.
 
Tresville:
Sydia:
Yes, because we're not the Pacific, and patting ourselves on the back for...being here a long time isn't a good look.
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Well thats your opinion. I respect it...doesn't mean I agree with it.

I don't know what the Pacific has to do with it. We did it first...they just kept doing it.
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We did it first for a bet, which should tell you something about how good of an idea it is.
 
We did it twice...for short periods of time. So that doesn't tell me much about how good an idea it was. What I do know is that at least nations contact me about "who is that nation that is founder?" I tell them and direct them to the forum. Time will tell how good of an idea it is.
 
[size=-3]That's not a lie.[/size]

And I'm still not happy about this founder bullcrap. If a new nation ain't gonna join the forum it's unlikely they'll join to find out more about some nation they've never heard of before.
 
At least they will ask...I'll tell them a lil bit of history and they are more likely to show support.

If a new nation ain't gonna join the forum it's unlikely they'll join to find out more about some nation they've never heard of before.
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You know that because.....your Batman!!!

I believe only Moo or another Pacific Delegate who had Francos name on there can actually say if it helps bring people to the forum.
 
Tresville:
At least they will ask...I'll tell them a lil bit of history and they are more likely to show support.

If a new nation ain't gonna join the forum it's unlikely they'll join to find out more about some nation they've never heard of before.
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You know that because.....your Batman!!!

I believe only Moo or another Pacific Delegate who had Francos name on there can actually say if it helps bring people to the forum.
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Which brings me back to my original point; we ain't the Pacific (and hopefully aren't trying to be). I doubt they are much more active than we are; generally if one region slumps they all do, nature of the feeder beast. The 'spotlight on nation' thing I have no problem with. 'Founder' is just misleading, at best.
 
I think thats going a lil overboard...Franco created a movement and helped change the game. I don't believe we have had a Nastic Movement yet. :duh: :o :eyebrow: :no: :blink:

Cult personalities...jeez
 
Franco is an overrated player that people like to deify because he ostensibly left the game before he faded into obscurity, unlike most other major players from that era.

Its the James Dean Law applied to Nationstates.
 
I remember Twoslit talking like that.

Who is obscure now? Remember what you just said there for future reference.
 
In response to the question posed: yes, it has actually. I actually talked with someone along those lines a few days ago.

Name one other player who pretty much influenced a rule change.

EDIT: Sydia, you know you love us really.
 
Not that this Founder being the WFE bothers me(actually I could really care less), but I thought the point of being a Feeder was to be proud of just that, being a Feeder. Doesn't putting a Founder in the WFE just mean the UCRs won that war. :P ^_^
 
In other words, Francos Spain was the games biggest troll and magnificent bastard, and the reason why there are limits on banning people these days.

Wow, that's a pretty good reason to be remembered. :lol:

And to answer your question Tress, I ask you another one- When was the last time you heard about Pope Hope or the leaders of the ADN or the RLA or anyone of the retired big shots who have sequestered themselves in their own tiny regions? And don't go on about how former members of these groups have gone one to run things, because these people generally weren't big shots, but followers, troopers, and other low level members who went on to found their own things once their leaders faded away.
 
Oh, and before someone barges in and says I'm making anti-Pacific or anti-Moo statements, let me get state that I am in fact not against Moo or The Pacific as neither are currently Francoist by any stretch of the definition provided by "Proper Francoist Thought".

I felt I needed to get that out of the way.
 
Intriguing how an arguement over making new history rather than bringing up old history has biyght up so much darn history.


Franco was an incredible player. He changed the game, you can debate how good or bad that was all you like. I personally feel you cannot judge fully that unless you were there for any of it. Agincourt feels less important now than it did a few hundred years ago.

The ADN influenced rule changes that you wouldnt believe. I personally didnt like it, there it goes.

Either way; argueing over it doesnt make life any better does it?
 
For the most part I like this idea. Its nice to give some nations recognition and lead newer nations to question what they have done to earn such recognition. Highlighting those members that have had legendary roles in our community can only inspire new players to aspire to such heights.

However, I think the term "founder" is deceptive and lacks any form of brilliance that such an idea to contain. I'm currently at a loss for a grander title but I'm sure we can do better than "founder", which, at best just seems to imitate the Pacific (regardless of who did it first, most people won't consider or care about those details) or to be fitting into the user created region mould.

Even if we just called it "This weeks Hall of Fame nation is:"
 
I could see having a list of founders, as in "Founding Nations", although that would be too big to stick on the RMB.

I think its less misleading and a bit more fair to the other nations that made TNP what it is today.
 
Tresville:
The Ministry of the Interior will be controlling the WFE anyway. Lets see what they come up with.
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I like "Founder:"

Today or tomorrow I will be putting together some other things for the WFE as well.

Tresville can you continue with the "Founder" section as many of these nations were before me?
 
Lets just be done with it and stick Franco in as our founder. If you think about it, modern TNP life can be traced back to his intervention in the GB conflict anyway.
 
I have a list of old delegates. We can use that. I am also slowly working on the Historical society. I'm just posting notes to organize later.
 
There are some pretty ignorant sentiments being expressed in this thread.

First, Francos Spain created the single most influencial group the active (outside of RP and people just addressing issues) aspects of the game has ever seen. He was influencial. His construct influenced how the ADN, RLA, FLL, RRA, MASS and dozens of other groups conducted their affairs.

Members of the Pacific Senate have gone on to influence the game in a multitude of ways that while not directly related to Francos Spain were at least propelled into position to be able to influence the game through his creation.

The same can be said for the ADN, which was a goliath in its time. Many influencial people from the ADN have gone on to do great things throughout the NS world.

The Meritocracy is also a notible example of this.

Paying homage to past "heroes" shouldn't cause this much concern, in my opinion.
 
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