Buttinskis re: Mesian post-mortem

Blue Wolf II

Blue Wolf II

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Currently, the Mesian forum account is in full use and shows NPA references in the signature.
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Ya, let's strip his sig of all references to the NPA. We'll just pretend he was never involved in the Ministry of Defense at all. That fixes everything.

The Region is willing to accept the prior terms.
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Of course you would be willing; you're not the one facing the restrictions. In all fairness, however, Mesian did forfeit his rights...
 
Byardkuria:
The Region is willing to accept the prior terms.
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Well I thought I did this. lol

I am no longer defense counsel as stated many times. Last time I talked to anyone Galapagos Isle was supposed to be taking over for me.

And this is still going on?
 
Thank you for the clarification, Joshua. Your continued posting in the court thread had me wondering if the transition had been finalized or not.
 
Blue Wolf II:
I submit that if the Judge does want to continue this trial he view Mesian's withdrawal as an automatic plea of guilty.
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Well.......

Automatic guilty pleas are a bit, well, unconstitutional and unconscionable in terms of logic. You can have a trial in absentia should a defendant refuse to appear, but at best you would have a fugitive situation and another trial should the defendent reappear.
 
Romanoffia:
Blue Wolf II:
I submit that if the Judge does want to continue this trial he view Mesian's withdrawal as an automatic plea of guilty.
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Well.......

Automatic guilty pleas are a bit, well, unconstitutional and unconscionable in terms of logic. You can have a trial in absentia should a defendant refuse to appear, but at best you would have a fugitive situation and another trial should the defendent reappear.
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Really? Isn't also continuing to try Mesian on charges that lack any substantial evidence unconstitutional and unethical?
 
Just a thought here...

If Mesian is gone and therefore cannot log in to his account to remove said references, how the heck is he supposed to comply with your requirements? :duh:
 
If anyone thinks any of the above posts should be returned to the formal court thread, please let me know.

Mesian's last log-in was June 4. Frankly, after more than 3 years in NS, I'm accustomed to lots of goodbyes and nearly as many "welcome backs." :D
 
Welcome back, Mesian. :hello: Back from the dead, eh? Who would have thought!
(Psst: If you want something from the government it is likely a poor tactic to refer to the official as a "pompous arse.")
 
I swear this is highly illegal anyway? You cant clear someone of charges and then bring them again? Habeus Corpus?

Not to mention the fact that suspending him form the RA without a conviction is illegal too, even if you are just suspending membership application!
 
Fulhead Land:
I swear this is highly illegal anyway? You cant clear someone of charges and then bring them again? Habeus Corpus?

Not to mention the fact that suspending him form the RA without a conviction is illegal too, even if you are just suspending membership application!
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Usually plea bargains require that both parties uphold their ends of the bargain. Whether this was Mesian's fault or not is a whole other issue entirely, but it is undeniable that the terms of the plea bargain were broken. As such, the entire thing could be counted as moot.

*giving her opinion while she can*

EDIT: I agree with FL in that I see no indication of the legality of such "judicial orders".
 
Mesian himself posted that his persona in TNP was deceased. The player decided he would not play in TNP as Mesian anymore. That player now wants us to ignore that statement, which he himself made of his own accord. Why are we not honoring his decision to kill the persona of Mesian? We all knew that the player himself was not gone, and his return has not changed the fact that he killed off that persona of his own accord. Why have you decided to invalidate his previous statement, seemingly based solely on the fact that the player still exists?
 
I swear this is highly illegal anyway? You cant clear someone of charges and then bring them again? Habeus Corpus?
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What has habeus corpus to do with this? Habeus corpus is not part of the TNP judicial code.
 
Mesian has come up with an interesting argument. Or is is just a tactic to escape prosecution? When the duality defense was used at trial, we had to grapple with how the law can address duality issues. "I didn't do it, my evil twin did." Now must we craft laws to deal with defendants who suddenly drop "dead?"

Actually, I like this one. Any time someone gets charged with a crime, thay can just lay down and die. I think I'll try it the next time someone tries to charge me with something.

Look at this from the perspective of the AG. If you had to prosecute a case in TNP, how could you ever get a conviction when things like duality and temporary "death" create such an easy way out for the defendent?
 
It is rather a salutory lesson to all those who said "mesian has announced he is leaving the region (or was it the game? I cannot remember?) so there is no point in continuing with the trial.

Also, perhaps, a lesson about taking people at their word during plea bargain negotiations.
 
Great Bights Mum:
Look at this from the perspective of the AG. If you had to prosecute a case in TNP, how could you ever get a conviction when things like duality and temporary "death" create such an easy way out for the defendent?
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With grit, pluck, moxy, ambiguous calls to the witness stand and posts in threads about nationstates news.
 
flemingovia:
It is rather a salutory lesson to all those who said "mesian has announced he is leaving the region (or was it the game? I cannot remember?) so there is no point in continuing with the trial.

Also, perhaps, a lesson about taking people at their word during plea bargain negotiations.
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Or simply about writing more thorough plea bargains.
 
I would also point out that Mesian was never cleared of charges - they were dropped.

Of all people, FH, you should know the difference between "innocent" and "not tried".
 
Poor Byardkuria.

As the outgoing Attorney General, he'll be responsible for this thicket as the prosecutor until it gets resolved one way or another.

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Try though I might, I don't recall having ever filed a new indictment, or requested a vacation of my charge withdrawal, before I posted the results declaring MO the new AG.

Silly me. :duh:

EDIT- Ooh! Ooh! She took the oath. It's all her.
 
Byardkuria:
Try though I might, I don't recall having ever filed a new indictment, or requested a vacation of my charge withdrawal, before I posted the results declaring MO the new AG.

Silly me. :duh:

EDIT- Ooh! Ooh! She took the oath. It's all her.
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Lol, you sound so excited to hear that I posted my Oath. :P
 
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