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Haor Chall

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To business then. We're looking at something to do with mutual defense and military liaisons. So are we looking to start from scratch or do we have something to work with?
 
Haor, during the last term, Flem had put forward for discussion a draft update of the UPD treaty. Unless something has changed drastically, I would think that could be the starting point. I'll go look and copy a draft here in a bit.
 
Grosseschnauzer:
Haor, during the last term, Flem had put forward for discussion a draft update of the UPD treaty. Unless something has changed drastically, I would think that could be the starting point. I'll go look and copy a draft here in a bit.
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I know, I haven't seen the text of it. From what Shasoria said, I wasn't sure whether he was wanting to start afresh.
 
Flemingovia posted a preliminary draft in the Cabinet and the RA for discussion and comment.

Here's the draft as it was posted in the RA:

Democratic Union

The Parties to this Treaty reaffirm their faith in the purposes and principles of the NationStates and their desire to live in peace with all peoples and all governments. They are determined to safeguard the freedom, common heritage and civilization of their peoples, founded on the principles of democracy, individual liberty and the rule of law. They seek to promote stability and well-being in their respective regions. They are resolved to unite their efforts for collective defense and for the preservation of peace and security. They therefore agree to this Treaty of the United Democratic Pacifics:

Article 1
The Parties undertake to settle any international dispute in which they may be involved by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security and justice are not endangered, and to refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force in any manner inconsistent with the ideals of liberty.

Article 2
The Parties will contribute toward the further development of peaceful and friendly international relations by strengthening their free institutions, by bringing about a better understanding of the principles upon which these institutions are founded, and by promoting conditions of stability and well-being.

Article 3
In order more effectively to achieve the objectives of this Treaty, the Parties, separately and jointly, by means of continuous and effective self-help and mutual aid, will maintain and develop their individual and collective capacity to resist armed attack.

Article 4
The Parties will consult together whenever, in the opinion of any of them, the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the Parties is threatened.

Article 5
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of the member regions shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the member regions.

Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the heads of state of the member regions. Such measures shall be terminated when the heads of state have taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.

Article 6
Each Party declares that none of the international engagements now in force between it and any other of the Parties or any third State is in conflict with the provisions of this Treaty, and undertakes not to enter into any international engagement in conflict with this Treaty.

Article 7
The Parties hereby establish a Council, on which each of them shall be represented, to consider matters concerning the implementation of this Treaty. The Council shall be so organized as to be able to meet promptly at any time. The Council shall set up such subsidiary bodies as may be necessary; in particular it shall establish immediately a defense committee which shall recommend measures for the implementation of Articles 3 and 5.

Article 8
The parties shall recognize the democratically elected government of an allied region, as determined by that region's Constitution or Charter.

Article 9
This Treaty shall be ratified and its provisions carried out by the Parties in accordance with their respective constitutional processes. The instruments of ratification shall be deposited as soon as possible with the Government of each member region. The Treaty shall enter into force between the regions, which have ratified it as soon as the ratification process is complete. For the purposes of this agreement, the parties shall be limited to the North Pacific and the West Pacific. Additional parties may be added to this agreement but shall need approval from both of the original signatories to achieve membership in the pact.

Article 10
All affirmed signatories hereby agree to uphold this treaty for the duration of three months, after which member-regions may opt to revoke said treaty through the appropriate channels within their region or choose to reaffirm the treaty for another three months.
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I am more than willing to work on this treaty once more, as it was a terrific idea to begin with. I'd like to hear your thoughts on the current draft though. I'll be posting my own shortly.

I'm also interested in creating a military liason program between our two militaries so that they can coordinate better for joint operations. This isn't saying we're demanding military access, merely that we could accomplish much if our militaries coordinated with one another during certain missions and the creation of a liason program would ease the lines of communication during those circumstances.

I'm also interested in publication rights - the West will have a new news service coming out shortly and we're hoping to have it on some international newsstands.
 
I think most of that treaty seems ok. As far as military liasons go, if we're to go with the above, won't Article 7 (plus 3) cover that?
 
That it would, but if we chose people already embedded in units from either army our efficiency would surely increase. I'd still like to see Article 7 stay though as it is an essential part.

I'd also just like to make clear that I'd like this to be an open organization, one that could take on new members outside of the feeders. Perhaps it would be good to come up with a more inclusive name for the treaty than United Democratic Pacifics.
 
Haor invited me to participate in these discussion, and so I'll offer a few comments.
First, I have no problem with some sort of military liaison arrangement between the North and the West; however, if this treaty is to include other regions (which the original did), then the military liason arrangement could be a side agreement between our two regions.
Second, as to publication rights, I would recomment some sort of reciproacity, and the North Pacific, through its ministry of Communications, is working on various initiatives, and for the revival of The North Pacific Wire. Shasoria, if you have a specific proposal, I can forward it to our Minister of Communications, Upper Kirby, who, I think would be interested in any such proposal.
Finally, (other than the name) the only other concern is the three month opt out clause in Article 10. I thini that's a fairly short period; I personally think a longer period would be more appropriate.
I don't know that we need to change the treaty name at this point. A United Democratic Pacifics Council does not implify a limitation of membership. (OOC The RL examplw is how NATO has expanded into central and eastern Europe and has included nations that are located adjacent to the Mediterranean Sea, rather than the Atlantic Ocean; it does nit change the intent of a mutual self-defense organization. The same principle would aply here.)
 
That it would, but if we chose people already embedded in units from either army our efficiency would surely increase. I'd still like to see Article 7 stay though as it is an essential part.
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Sure thing. We might as we add/amend an article to include that rather than do it seperately IMO.

I'd also just like to make clear that I'd like this to be an open organization, one that could take on new members outside of the feeders. Perhaps it would be good to come up with a more inclusive name for the treaty than United Democratic Pacifics.
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Yup, I agree, also on that note- do we want an article to mention other regions being able to join? Something just to codify that this is an open organisation but perhaps to say that ratification of new member regions requires the unanimous agreement of existing signatories?


Haor invited me to participate in these discussion, and so I'll offer a few comments.
First, I have no problem with some sort of military liaison arrangement between the North and the West; however, if this treaty is to include other regions (which the original did), then the military liason arrangement could be a side agreement between our two regions.
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Even if the treaty expands to include other regions, I see no reason to conclude military liasons seperately. As mentioned above, ratification of new regions should require unanimous agreement so there shouldn't be issues and new member should be regions that we're looking for closer relations with and who we would benefit greatly from liasing with. To me it just seems more straight forward and sensible to include it in the one treaty.

Second, as to publication rights, I would recomment some sort of reciproacity, and the North Pacific, through its ministry of Communications, is working on various initiatives, and for the revival of The North Pacific Wire. Shasoria, if you have a specific proposal, I can forward it to our Minister of Communications, Upper Kirby, who, I think would be interested in any such proposal.
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I have spoken with UK, and I think (never quite sure what he means) that he was up for it. Originally I did think this might be best concluded seperately, but I think, looking at the treaty it might be better to roll it all into one, as the treaty already touches upon areas more cultural/social as well as military/political. And I think that's great. Obviously any agreement on publication rights would apply to all parties.


Finally, (other than the name) the only other concern is the three month opt out clause in Article 10. I thini that's a fairly short period; I personally think a longer period would be more appropriate.
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I agree. Personally I wonder if it might be better just to remove that article and just that way signatories can terminate the treaty if they choose at any point without having to continually re-agree to it. I would be happy just with extending it to 6 months though.


I don't know that we need to change the treaty name at this point. A United Democratic Pacifics Council does not implify a limitation of membership. (OOC The RL examplw is how NATO has expanded into central and eastern Europe and has included nations that are located adjacent to the Mediterranean Sea, rather than the Atlantic Ocean; it does nit change the intent of a mutual self-defense organization. The same principle would aply here.)
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Sure. Although there wouldn't be anything wrong with a snazzier name. Like the North-West Treaty Organisation (NWTO)...
 
Haor Chall:
I'd also just like to make clear that I'd like this to be an open organization, one that could take on new members outside of the feeders. Perhaps it would be good to come up with a more inclusive name for the treaty than United Democratic Pacifics.
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Yup, I agree, also on that note- do we want an article to mention other regions being able to join? Something just to codify that this is an open organisation but perhaps to say that ratification of new member regions requires the unanimous agreement of existing signatories?
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I would very much like another article to make clear that this is an open organisation. I also agree on the part that a region can only be admitted through a unanimous decision of all the existing signatories, for there mustn't be any conflict within the organisation.

Finally, (other than the name) the only other concern is the three month opt out clause in Article 10. I thini that's a fairly short period; I personally think a longer period would be more appropriate.
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I agree. Personally I wonder if it might be better just to remove that article and just that way signatories can terminate the treaty if they choose at any point without having to continually re-agree to it. I would be happy just with extending it to 6 months though.
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I think that just extending it to 6 months would be better, although I see no problem with 3 months, perhaps 6 months is better. This would be a good way to ensure that the efficiency of the treaty is active and ongoing.

I don't know that we need to change the treaty name at this point. A United Democratic Pacifics Council does not implify a limitation of membership. (OOC The RL examplw is how NATO has expanded into central and eastern Europe and has included nations that are located adjacent to the Mediterranean Sea, rather than the Atlantic Ocean; it does nit change the intent of a mutual self-defense organization. The same principle would aply here.)
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Sure. Although there wouldn't be anything wrong with a snazzier name. Like the North-West Treaty Organisation (NWTO)...
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North-West Treaty Organisation sounds fine to me..
 
north harmoneia:
I would very much like another article to make clear that this is an open organisation. I also agree on the part that a region can only be admitted through a unanimous decision of all the existing signatories, for there mustn't be any conflict within the organisation.
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Just noticed Article 9 does already cover what I said... :duh:
 
On the topic of the re-ratification clause, I believe we selected a shorter one as there was no immediate opt-out clause for the agreement, so that if a region joined, they would not fear binding themselves to an organization for 6 months if they found half-way through they were unsatisfied. However if you'd like to see a change there I am fine, though I think perhaps a number like 4 would be more appropriate, considering the above.
 
Ok. Four months would be fine.

What are your thoughts on the name? And also, how do we want to organise the Council and committees- I don't know to what extent it needs to be in the treaty- but is it going to be based on either of our forums, perhaps rotating system or what?
 
It is easiest to create a new base/forum for the organisation, but it seems sort of impractical to me.
Perhaps we could establish a forum or subforum on each of our bases then take turns?
 
May I suggest that in the beginning, that we rotate and/or share the hosting duties? Once the Council begins to expand then we can look to a separate forum. There are some practical reasons (accessibility and visibility) and the fact that over the nect few months everything is going to be Zetaboard-ed, and I think it'll be easier to set u a new forum for the organization one the Zetaboards get out of beta status.

The other point is whether that is an issue that even needs to be decided in order to get the treaty submitted?
 
Not necessarily, but it helps to put the treaty into effect right after it's ratification. :)

So here's the latest draft:

Democratic Union

The Parties to this Treaty reaffirm their faith in the purposes and principles of the NationStates and their desire to live in peace with all peoples and all governments. They are determined to safeguard the freedom, common heritage and civilization of their peoples, founded on the principles of democracy, individual liberty and the rule of law. They seek to promote stability and well-being in their respective regions. They are resolved to unite their efforts for collective defense and for the preservation of peace and security. They therefore agree to this Treaty of the United Democratic Pacifics:

Article 1
The Parties undertake to settle any international dispute in which they may be involved by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security and justice are not endangered, and to refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force in any manner inconsistent with the ideals of liberty.

Article 2
The Parties will contribute toward the further development of peaceful and friendly international relations by strengthening their free institutions, by bringing about a better understanding of the principles upon which these institutions are founded, and by promoting conditions of stability and well-being.

Article 3
In order more effectively to achieve the objectives of this Treaty, the Parties, separately and jointly, by means of continuous and effective self-help and mutual aid, will maintain and develop their individual and collective capacity to resist armed attack.

Article 4
The Parties will consult together whenever, in the opinion of any of them, the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the Parties is threatened.

Article 5
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of the member regions shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the member regions.

Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the heads of state of the member regions. Such measures shall be terminated when the heads of state have taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.

Article 6
Each Party declares that none of the international engagements now in force between it and any other of the Parties or any third State is in conflict with the provisions of this Treaty, and undertakes not to enter into any international engagement in conflict with this Treaty.

Article 7
The Parties hereby establish a Council, on which each of them shall be represented, to consider matters concerning the implementation of this Treaty. The Council shall be so organized as to be able to meet promptly at any time. The Council shall set up such subsidiary bodies as may be necessary; in particular it shall establish immediately a defense committee which shall recommend measures for the implementation of Articles 3 and 5.

Article 8
The parties shall recognize the democratically elected government of an allied region, as determined by that region's Constitution or Charter.

Article 9
This Treaty shall be ratified and its provisions carried out by the Parties in accordance with their respective constitutional processes. The instruments of ratification shall be deposited as soon as possible with the Government of each member region. The Treaty shall enter into force between the regions, which have ratified it as soon as the ratification process is complete. For the purposes of this agreement, the parties shall be limited to the North Pacific and the West Pacific. Additional parties may be added to this agreement but shall need approval from both of the original signatories to achieve membership in the pact.

Article 10
All affirmed signatories hereby agree to uphold this treaty for the duration of four months, after which member-regions may opt to withdraw from said treaty through the appropriate channels within their region or choose to reaffirm the treaty for another four months.
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Article 10
All affirmed signatories hereby agree to uphold this treaty for the duration of three four months, after which member-regions may opt to revoke withdraw from said treaty through the appropriate channels within their region or choose to reaffirm the treaty for another four months.
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In terms of the discussion in the last few posts i think we were addressing both instances of three months tht were in the earlier draft; also are we requiring a reaffirmation after the first four months? Do we really need to require an either/or choice at all? Can we just allow them not have to do anything unless the party affirmatively wants to opt out?
 
That is also a fine idea for me Gross, although, as I said earlier, I believe that apart from having a chance to withdraw due to dissatisfaction this would also be a good way to ensure the efficiency and activity of the treaty. But of course, if you want to change it to that, it is fine by me.
 
Since the members of our democratic institutions can change in 4 months, it seems fair to me to have that article in there. It also means, hopefully, that the treaty will not be forgotten by having to be reaffirmed every x months.
 
Yep, we just need to come up with some text for a new article. Perhaps something like this?

Article 3
In the spirit of greater co-operation and in the interests of improved communication, the parties agree to allow the posting of any material, published by the other parties, in their region.
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Does article 5 mean that TWP would be obliged to go to war with us against the npd? after all, folks are arguing that the NPD have attacked us.

the support of the WPLF would be invaluable in helping us against the npd hordes/ :w00t:
 
In all honesty, I doubt this treaty is retroactive, so I don't think TWP would feel obligated to response to antedated events.

If there is a new attack from some quarter, that would presuambly be a different matter under the treaty.
 
flemingovia:
Does article 5 mean that TWP would be obliged to go to war with us against the npd? after all, folks are arguing that the NPD have attacked us.

the support of the WPLF would be invaluable in helping us against the npd hordes/ :w00t:
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This is a private forum. I, for one, would appreciate it if you did not abuse your administrator status to try cheap political stunts. If you have something to say, you can always PM me or schnauzer.

I apologise to Shasoria and Harm for the interruption.
 
My sincerest apologies. One of the drawbacks of being admin is that you can see and post in every forum area, and therefore do not always notice what is a public area and what is not.

Not an abuse of admin power, but an honest mistake. It will not be repeated.

My apologies to all concerned once again.
 
No worries, we understand. :)

Anyway, this is what we have so far. I hope I didn't miss anything.

Democratic Union

The Parties to this Treaty reaffirm their faith in the purposes and principles of the NationStates and their desire to live in peace with all peoples and all governments. They are determined to safeguard the freedom, common heritage and civilization of their peoples, founded on the principles of democracy, individual liberty and the rule of law. They seek to promote stability and well-being in their respective regions. They are resolved to unite their efforts for collective defense and for the preservation of peace and security. They therefore agree to this Treaty of the United Democratic Pacifics:

Article 1
The Parties undertake to settle any international dispute in which they may be involved by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security and justice are not endangered, and to refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force in any manner inconsistent with the ideals of liberty.

Article 2
The Parties will contribute toward the further development of peaceful and friendly international relations by strengthening their free institutions, by bringing about a better understanding of the principles upon which these institutions are founded, and by promoting conditions of stability and well-being.

Article 3
In the spirit of greater co-operation and in the interests of improved communication, the parties agree to allow the posting of any material, published by the other parties, in their region.

Article 4
In order more effectively to achieve the objectives of this Treaty, the Parties, separately and jointly, by means of continuous and effective self-help and mutual aid, will maintain and develop their individual and collective capacity to resist armed attack.

Article 5
The Parties will consult together whenever, in the opinion of any of them, the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the Parties is threatened.

Article 6
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of the member regions shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the member regions.

Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the heads of state of the member regions. Such measures shall be terminated when the heads of state have taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.

Article 7
Each Party declares that none of the international engagements now in force between it and any other of the Parties or any third State is in conflict with the provisions of this Treaty, and undertakes not to enter into any international engagement in conflict with this Treaty.

Article 8
The Parties hereby establish a Council, on which each of them shall be represented, to consider matters concerning the implementation of this Treaty. The Council shall be so organized as to be able to meet promptly at any time. The Council shall set up such subsidiary bodies as may be necessary; in particular it shall establish immediately a defense committee which shall recommend measures for the implementation of Articles 3 and 5.

Article 9
The parties shall recognize the democratically elected government of an allied region, as determined by that region's Constitution or Charter.

Article 10
This Treaty shall be ratified and its provisions carried out by the Parties in accordance with their respective constitutional processes. The instruments of ratification shall be deposited as soon as possible with the Government of each member region. The Treaty shall enter into force between the regions, which have ratified it as soon as the ratification process is complete. For the purposes of this agreement, the parties shall be limited to the North Pacific and the West Pacific. Additional parties may be added to this agreement but shall need approval from both of the original signatories to achieve membership in the pact.

Article 11
All affirmed signatories hereby agree to uphold this treaty for the duration of four months, after which member-regions may opt to withdraw from said treaty through the appropriate channels within their region or choose to reaffirm the treaty for another four months.
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I personally am already fine with this. Any other concerns, though?
As for the name, I like Haor Chall's suggestion, North-West Treaty Organisation, just as I've stated before.
 
Ok. Those changes also mean some editing of the other articles. I've also added in a scentence on military liasions. I've also split the part about new signatories into a seperate article- it makes more sense and also makes it more obvious that you can have new signatories join.


The North-West Treaty

The Parties to this Treaty reaffirm their faith in the purposes and principles of the NationStates and their desire to live in peace with all peoples and all governments. They are determined to safeguard the freedom, common heritage and civilization of their peoples, founded on the principles of democracy, individual liberty and the rule of law. They seek to promote stability and well-being in their respective regions. They are resolved to unite their efforts for collective defense and for the preservation of peace and security. They therefore agree to this treaty and the establishment of the North-West Treaty Organisation.

Article 1
The Parties undertake to settle any international dispute in which they may be involved by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security and justice are not endangered, and to refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force in any manner inconsistent with the ideals of liberty.

Article 2
The Parties will contribute toward the further development of peaceful and friendly international relations by strengthening their free institutions, by bringing about a better understanding of the principles upon which these institutions are founded, and by promoting conditions of stability and well-being.

Article 3
In the spirit of greater co-operation and in the interests of improved communication, the parties agree to allow the posting of any material, published by the other parties, in their region.

Article 4
In order more effectively to achieve the objectives of this Treaty, the Parties, separately and jointly, by means of continuous and effective self-help and mutual aid, will maintain and develop their individual and collective capacity to resist armed attack. They will also appoint military liasions to each others armed forces to aid in improving communication and the collective military capability of the parties to this treaty.

Article 5
The Parties will consult together whenever, in the opinion of any of them, the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the Parties is threatened.

Article 6
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of the member regions shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the member regions.

Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the heads of state of the member regions. Such measures shall be terminated when the heads of state have taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.

Article 7
Each Party declares that none of the international engagements now in force between it and any other of the Parties or any third State is in conflict with the provisions of this Treaty, and undertakes not to enter into any international engagement in conflict with this Treaty.

Article 8
The Parties hereby establish a Council, on which each of them shall be represented, to consider matters concerning the implementation of this Treaty and the North-West Treaty Organisation. The Council shall be so organized as to be able to meet promptly at any time. The Council shall set up such subsidiary bodies as may be necessary; in particular it shall establish immediately a defense committee which shall recommend measures for the implementation of Articles 4 and 6.

Article 9
The parties shall recognize the democratically elected government of an allied region, as determined by that region's Constitution or Charter.

Article 10
This Treaty shall be ratified and its provisions carried out by the Parties in accordance with their respective constitutional processes. The instruments of ratification shall be deposited as soon as possible with the Government of each member region. The Treaty shall enter into force between the regions, which have ratified it as soon as the ratification process is complete.

Article 11
For the purposes of this agreement, the parties shall be limited to the North Pacific and the West Pacific. Additional parties may be added to this agreement but shall need approval from both of the original signatories to achieve membership in the pact.

Article 12
All affirmed signatories hereby agree to uphold this treaty for the duration of four months, after which member-regions may opt to withdraw from said treaty through the appropriate channels within their region or choose to reaffirm the treaty for another four months.
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Ah, really sorry about this guys. I'll bring this to our CoM anyway, and I guess Shas can just review the treaty there, I'll let you know if anything comes up. :)
 
Rather surprised at the poorness of this treaty considering the minds at work.

Legalese requires specificity. At present, the wording for some of these clauses are in such a way that they may result in unintended catastrophes - for instance, as I mentioned in the Council of Ministers, Article 3 would allow people to post confidential information from either our governments in an unrestricted fashion, even though its intent is for media sharing. Or, the use of the word 'international' over terms and phrases that limit the scope of this treaty and it's articles to the signatories, as it should be.

I apologize for coming in so late in the game to say so, but I was hoping such things were common knowledge when working these things out. Scrub this doc down, watch for funky interpretations and the like. Word things in such a way that they can only mean one thing, while using as few words as possible. NH will keep you updated with suggestions from the CoM.
 
I decided to take a crack of cleaning up the inconsistent language and style of the document (international when its actually inter-regional; treaty versus agreement versus pact, etc. I also tried to rework Article III to reflect the concept of allowing media entities in a region to function on equal terms, which is what I think the communications folks actually wanted.

The North-West Treaty

The Parties to this Treaty reaffirm their faith in the purposes and principles of the NationStates and their desire to live in peace with all peoples and all governments. They are determined to safeguard the freedom, common heritage and civilization of their peoples, founded on the principles of democracy, individual liberty and the rule of law. They seek to promote stability and well-being in their respective regions. They are resolved to unite their efforts for collective defense and for the preservation of peace and security. They therefore agree to this treaty and the establishment of the North-West Treaty Organisation.

Article 1
The Parties undertake to settle any international inter-regional dispute in which they may be involved by peaceful means in such a manner that international inter-regional peace, and security and justice are not endangered, and The Parties undertake to refrain in their international inter-regional relations from the threat or use of force in any manner inconsistent with the ideals of liberty.

Article 2
The Parties will contribute toward the further development of peaceful and friendly international inter-regional relations by strengthening their free institutions, by bringing about a better understanding of the principles upon which these institutions are founded, and by promoting conditions of stability and well-being.

Article 3
In the spirit of greater co-operation and in the interests of improved communication, the Parties agree to allow the posting of any material, published by the other parties, in their region. to permit the media organizations based in a region that is a Party to this Treaty to operate and disseminate its work on the same basis as domestic media organizations in the region of any other Party to this Treaty.

Article 4
In order to more effectively to achieve the objectives of this Treaty, the Parties, separately and jointly agree, by means of continuous and effective self-help and mutual aid, that they will maintain and develop their individual and collective capacity to resist armed attack. Each Party They will also appoint military liasions to each others the armed forces of every other Party to aid in improving communication and the collective military capability of the parties to this treaty.

Article 5
The Parties will consult together whenever, in the opinion of any of them, the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the Parties is threatened.

Article 6
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of the member regions shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the member regions.

Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the heads of state of the member regions. Such measures shall be terminated when the heads of state have taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.

Article 7
Each Party declares that none of the  international inter-regional engagements now in force between it that Party and any other of the Parties or any third State Region is in conflict with the provisions of this Treaty, and undertakes not to enter into any  international inter-regional engagement in conflict with this Treaty.

Article 8
The Parties hereby establish a NorthWest Treaty Organisation Council, on which each of them shall be represented, to consider matters concerning the implementation of this Treaty and the North-West Treaty Organisation. The Council shall be so organized as to be able to meet promptly at any time. The Council shall set up such subsidiary bodies as may be necessary; in particular it shall establish immediately a defense committee which shall recommend measures for the implementation of Articles 4 and 6.

Article 9
The parties Each party shall recognize the democratically elected government of an allied region every other Party, as determined by that region's Constitution or Charter.

Article 10
This Treaty shall be ratified and its provisions carried out by the Parties in accordance with their respective constitutional processes. The instruments of ratification shall be deposited as soon as possible with the Government of each member region. The Treaty shall enter into force between the regions who are the original signatories, which have ratified it as soon as the ratification process is complete.

Article 11
For the purposes of this agreement Treaty, the original signatory parties shall be limited to the North Pacific and the West Pacific. Additional parties may be added to this agreement adhere to this Treaty, but shall need approval from both of the original signatories to become a Party to this Treaty achieve membership in the pact.

Article 12
All affirmed signatories hereby agree to uphold this treaty for the duration of four months, after which member-regions may opt to withdraw from said treaty through the appropriate channels within their region or choose to reaffirm the treaty for another four months.
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I have to be fair, Schanuzers is good at this stuff. Looks a lot better.

Shame its taken so long to point out these little bits and peices but there we go, at least we're getting there.
 
Inter-regional again does not work. It is a term that now allows for a broad interpretation of region-to-region conflict rather than a conflict between parties to this treaty as implied. This treaty shouldn't hold us back as far as our own foreign policy except in cases where people are signed into this treaty. If you're going to use it, stipulate what constitutes "inter-regional" in a definitions section perhaps. But as is, it implies all regions in the game, rather than within this alliance.

Article 7: Each Party declares that none of the  international inter-regional engagements now in force between it that Party and any other of the Parties or any third State Region is in conflict with the provisions of this Treaty, and undertakes not to enter into any  international inter-regional engagement in conflict with this Treaty.
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This should be more concise and to the point. "Each Party declares that the current diplomatic agreements maintained by their respective governments are not in conflict with the provisions of this treaty, and undertakes not to enter into any inter-regional engagement in conflict with this treaty."

As well,
Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the heads of state of the member regions. Such measures shall be terminated when the heads of state have taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.
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This line seems iffy. We should stipulate who does what and when rather than leaving it broad-based. Let the attacked regions be in charge of operations or at least sanction actions when possible, with a declared contingency for whenever they are unavailable, after which control would again go back to the attacked region.

Article 10:
This Treaty shall be ratified and its provisions carried out by the Parties in accordance with their respective constitutional processes. The instruments of ratification shall be deposited as soon as possible with the Government of each member region. The Treaty shall enter into force between the regions who are the original signatories, which have ratified it as soon as the ratification process is complete.
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Again, seems awkwardly worded. Should try to limit the amount of words used and abandon the fancy language, as it only confuses the meaning if not done right.

The term "adhere" in article 11 doesn't seem right to me. Perhaps instead, 'affirm' should be used.

As well, we might be better off changing the name to a more inclusive name for other democratic regions.

And as for it taking a while, I apologize, but April tends to be a bad month. Regardless, make sure you're wearing your critical thinking caps for the remainder of the negotiations, and we'll definitely get this done a lot faster.
 
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also, why not sp[ecify the membership of the council...have the chiefs of defense and intel as well as the head of the region...so 6 seats.
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(Article 8)
This seems like a good idea, although I'm not so sure about the "6 seats" thing, I think that the MoC and FAM should also be included, but that might make the council too big and slow. What do you guys think?


About the name, I'm fine with North-West Treaty Organisation, but I'm also okay with a change.
 
The North-West Treaty

The Parties to this Treaty reaffirm their faith in the purposes and principles of the NationStates and their desire to live in peace with all peoples and all governments. They are determined to safeguard the freedom, common heritage and civilization of their peoples, founded on the principles of democracy, individual liberty and the rule of law. They seek to promote stability and well-being in their respective regions. They are resolved to unite their efforts for collective defense and for the preservation of peace and security. They therefore agree to this treaty and the establishment of the North-West Treaty Organisation.

Article 1
The Parties undertake to settle any dispute between them by peaceful means in such a manner that peace, security and justice are not endangered. The Parties undertake to refrain in their relations with each other from the threat or use of force in any manner inconsistent with the ideals of liberty.

Article 2
The Parties will contribute toward the further development of peaceful and friendly inter-regional relations by strengthening their free institutions, by bringing about a better understanding of the principles upon which these institutions are founded, and by promoting conditions of stability and well-being.

Article 3
In the spirit of greater co-operation and in the interests of improved communication, the Parties agree to permit the media organizations based in a region that is a Party to this Treaty to operate and disseminate its work on the same basis as domestic media organizations in the region of any other Party to this Treaty.

Article 4
In order to more effectively achieve the objectives of this Treaty, the Parties, separately and jointly agree, by means of continuous and effective self-help and mutual aid, that they will maintain and develop their individual and collective capacity to resist armed attack. Each Party will also appoint military liasions to the armed forces of every other Party to aid in improving communication and the collective military capability of the parties to this treaty.

Article 5
The Parties will consult together whenever, in the opinion of any of them, the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the Parties is threatened.

Article 6
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of the member regions shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the member regions.

Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the heads of state of the member regions. Such measures shall be led and sanctioned by the appropriate authorities from the attacked Party. In the event that the attacked Party is unable to lead or sanction action, the other Parties may take the steps they believe are necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security until such times as the attacked Party is avalible.

Article 7
Each Party declares that the current diplomatic agreements maintained by their respective governments are not in conflict with the provisions of this treaty, and undertakes not to enter into any inter-regional engagement in conflict with this treaty.

Article 8
The Parties hereby establish a NorthWest Treaty Organisation Council, on which each of them shall be represented, to consider matters concerning the implementation of this Treaty and the North-West Treaty Organisation. The Council shall be so organized as to be able to meet promptly at any time. The Council shall set up such subsidiary bodies as may be necessary; in particular it shall establish immediately a defense committee which shall recommend measures for the implementation of Articles 4 and 6.

Article 9
Each party shall recognize the democratically elected government of every other Party, as determined by that region's Constitution or Charter.

Article 10
This Treaty shall be ratified and its provisions carried out by the Parties in accordance with their respective constitutional processes. The instruments of ratification shall be deposited as soon as possible with the Government of each member region. The Treaty shall enter into force between the regions who are the original signatories which have ratified it as soon as the ratification process is complete.

Article 11
For the purposes of this Treaty, the original signatory parties shall be limited to the North Pacific and the West Pacific. Additional parties may join this Treaty, but shall need approval from both of the original signatories to become a Party to this Treaty.

Article 12
All affirmed signatories hereby agree to uphold this treaty for the duration of four months, after which member-regions may opt to withdraw from said treaty through the appropriate channels within their region or choose to reaffirm the treaty for another four months.
 
Notes:

Changed Article 7, as Shasorias suggestion.

Altered language of Article 1 "settle any dispute between them".

Changed Article 6, not sure about the wording but I think that the meaning wanted.

Article 10 and 11 I've tidied up a bit as well.

About the name, I'm not particularly bothered either way. I don't think it's a major issue (there are non-European states applying to the EU and NATO has lost its geographical link) but if you've got a name you'd rather use, then just say.

Harm, we could put something like that in there, but - especially if there is to be potential for expansion - it might be better to leave it open at this stage. I'm not sure that you necessarily want the "admin" type detail in the treaty itself. Following the NATO/EU example it might be better to leave it flexible for the moment. Perhaps we could add in something saying that "the Council will establish guidelines for its organisation"?
 
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