Using The Wire to pay for s13?

Tresville

Tresville

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Sooo.....

I was looking through the Wires Control Panel and came upon this:

What is AdSense? AdSense is an advertising program run by Google which enables you to place content-relevant advertisements on your blog. These ads generate revenue for you on a per-click basis. Learn more about placing ads on your blog.

Use the form below to enter information about how you would like to be paid. You will receive an email with instructions for finishing the account creation process.
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So, i was thinking that if we can generate some revenue through the Wire we could use that money to pay to make s13 an Invision forum (as opposed to an Invision Free forum).

I'll look a lil more into this. Please post your comments about this here.
 
Tresville:
Sooo.....

I was looking through the Wires Control Panel and came upon this:

What is AdSense? AdSense is an advertising program run by Google which enables you to place content-relevant advertisements on your blog. These ads generate revenue for you on a per-click basis. Learn more about placing ads on your blog.

Use the form below to enter information about how you would like to be paid. You will receive an email with instructions for finishing the account creation process.
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So, i was thinking that if we can generate some revenue through the Wire we could use that money to pay to make s13 an Invision forum (as opposed to an Invision Free forum).

I'll look a lil more into this. Please post your comments about this here.
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That'd be great. I actually own a IPB license. But there is one small problem.

Whoever is the root admin could, in theory, read the PM's between nations if they went into the database. I remember we had a similar discussion back on the s11 forum about this idea.

But otherwise, I really like the idea, especially the money part. If not, the adsense profits could always be used for ad-free continuing on here.

Also, if we did get an IPB board we'd have to pay IF for our database file so we could transfer the posts, etc.

EDIT: or we could put it towards a domain name.
 
Well I have offered before to pay for this but....really got no yes or no response.


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Ator can I see your IPB License? I bet the pic came out bad...lol
 
Democratic Donkeys:
Didn't blackshear have a domain name?
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Yes I did. Caused quite a stir in some circles, I seem to recall. I'm not sure if my ownership of thenorthpacific.com has lapsed yet or not.

Update: Yup, I still control the domain name. I have no problem handing it over if there is any interest.
 
Tresville:
So, i was thinking that if we can generate some revenue through the Wire we could use that money to pay to make s13 an Invision forum (as opposed to an Invision Free forum).

I'll look a lil more into this. Please post your comments about this here.
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How much traffic would there need to be to generate enough revenue to become IPB? How much does it cost? :unsure:
 
IPB costs $69.95 for a year license which means we can run it forever, but only get free updates for a year. This is the type I use for my forum.

There is also a $185.00 version with lifetime updates.


We'd also have to host it.

The 1&1's Linux Beginner package costs $2.99 a month ($36 a year) and comes with a free domain name, 5,000 mb space (more than enough for a forum) and 250GB a month bandwidth.

Their Home package costs $4.99 a month ($60 a year) and comes with two free domain names, 10,000 mb of space and 500GB of bandwidth.


If we got a hosted IPB like this, then we'd also be able to host a "site" with static pages (for our Constitution and such) and even integrate it into the IPB design.
 
In relation to Adsense, and speaking as someone who 'pays' to use such sites - or at least IP's companies do.

If you want to make money ie get 'me' to want to place my ads on your site then you have to have a good number of users and be related to a specific advertisable product.

If I sell blue widgets then I would be looking to advertise on a site that talked all day every day about blue widgets because then not only would Google show my ads but I'd know that the liklihood would be that people who clicked on the ads (and which I would therefore pay you for) would be interested in purchasing blue widgets from me.

Just my thoughts...

EDIT: Spelling
 
INdeed. We would do best to build up circulation for the Wire and THEN think about advertising space. You cannot sell what you have not got.
 
Personally, I'm just fine with the old s13 domain. I suppose an actual address would be nice to have, though.

I personally have very little knowledge about domain controls, though. Someone would probably have to walk me through the process in Admin CP if we did this, or I'd have to find a manual on IF Support.

There's also the hosting issues, as Ator pointed out. We'd have to find someone willing to host a server capable of holding the traffic we get here. It's a pretty active forum.
 
I think it would be a good idea to put the ads on. If we don't get a lot of traffic at first, thats fine, but they're still there. What have we got to lose? We can increase the popularity of the Wire, hopefully increase profits, and save up to maybe have enought to buy IPB and maybe a host sometime in the future. Might as well start early...
 
Just as long as you remember you get paid for people who click on the ads, not just for showing them.

You could show my add a 1000 times a day but if no-one ever clicked on it then you would get no revenue from it.

It's also against Google rules to post things like 'please click on the above to support our site', since the advertisers who are paying want to pay for clicks that generate sales not 'random' visits.
 
Yes, I understand. But there is always a chance people will click. We can use the words: Sponser, or advertiser: if we want to show the ads.
 
Would it be possible to direct any revenue from this to a community PayPal account? We could use it to pay for the convenient lack of ads here. The forum software in use is supposed to be upgraded soon anyway, so there's little point in paying for something that would be basically the same thing for free.
 
Hersfold:
Would it be possible to direct any revenue from this to a community PayPal account? We could use it to pay for the convenient lack of ads here. The forum software in use is supposed to be upgraded soon anyway, so there's little point in paying for something that would be basically the same thing for free.
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Well I doubt IF 2.0 would be anything like IPB 2.1.4, but it will be better than what we have now.

And I agree with Hersfold about the paying for no ads part of it.
 
Of course, this does all depend on how much we get off it. I do believe Cathyy is right here - this isn't going to get us very much moolah unless we appoint a few people to, every now and then, click through about ten or twenty of the ads. Somehow I think that may be illegal, though....

Edit: (I've got to stop saying only half of what I want to say....)

The ad removal does come with a minimum cost of $5.00 - it's 15 cents per 1,000 page views, so all that comes out to an awkward 33,333 page views at minimum purchase. From what I can tell from the Admin Logs (which, annoyingly enough, aren't very clear for this first one), $5.00 will last us, on average, about 2 weeks. I'm guessing Flem's most recent purchase (of $10.00) will last us until April 4-6.

Anyway, if we do do this, we're going to have to have about the same activity level we have here on the Wire... only with people actually clicking the ads.

Edit 2: Actually, I've just found an option that could extend the life of the removal. I've disabled the ad removal for all guests and restricted or banned members (not that any of them have actually logged in for a while....). Anyway, this keeps us from losing ad credits while us registered people are toddling around without logging in. (HINT HINT)
 
Hersfold:
Of course, this does all depend on how much we get off it. I do believe Cathyy is right here - this isn't going to get us very much moolah unless we appoint a few people to, every now and then, click through about ten or twenty of the ads. Somehow I think that may be illegal, though....
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I'm quite sure that Google would consider that that broke its rules.

And as an advertiser I would be furious if I believed Google tolerated it.

Google needs advertising money and I know they have some very sophisticated methods of detecting 'rogue' clicks.

But before you even get to that stage you have to 'persuade' an advertiser to 'place' their adverts.

When I select sites to show my ads (which are known as content related ads) I am presented with a huge list of sites who allow Goggle adverts. I get to see how many hits they get per day and of course an idea of what key words might be relevant.

Let's say this forum was an 'Elvis Presley Appreciations Society' and you get a good number of hits per day then if I sell old Elvis Presley memorabilia I may well click to say 'yes please, show my ads on this site'.

So, my question really still remains - what specific, advertisable product would make an advertiser choose this site?
 
We don't even need advertisers if we want to start off small. IIRC, there are links such as "Download Firefox" that give us $1 per unique installation from our link.

I used an "Adsense preview" tool on the Wire site and found that there are a few different ads that would at least come up if we got the service. I never heard of waiting for advertisers to pick your site...but then again I've never used the service - just read the TOS, policies, and FAQs.
 
Guest:
We don't even need advertisers if we want to start off small. IIRC, there are links such as "Download Firefox" that give us $1 per unique installation from our link.

I used an "Adsense preview" tool on the Wire site and found that there are a few different ads that would at least come up if we got the service. I never heard of waiting for advertisers to pick your site...but then again I've never used the service - just read the TOS, policies, and FAQs.
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That was me ^^^^

sorry bout that
 
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