At Vote:Abortion Legalizatrion Convention [Complete]

Honeysheep

Honeysheep

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Abortion Legality Convention
A resolution to restrict civil freedoms in the interest of moral decency.


Category: Moral Decency
Strength: Mild
Proposed by: Omigodtheykilledkenny2

Description: The United Nations,

REAFFIRMING Article 5 of The Universal Bill of Rights, that no one may be subjected to cruel or inhuman treatment,

RECOGNISING that both scientific and moral opinion remains, and is likely to remain, irreparably divided over the issue of at what stage human life begins,

ACKNOWLEDGING that there are many societies within the NSUN that would consider a fetus, and especially a developed fetus in the third trimester, to possess human characteristics and be deserving of special protection, whilst others would not,

REGRETTING that such divisions render global resolution over abortion unlikely,

SEEKING to establish a fair compromise:

1. DECLARES that states have the right to declare abortion legal or illegal, and to pass legislation extending or restricting the right to an abortion;

2. RECOMMENDS that in cases of rape, incest, severe fetal abnormality or where the continuation of the pregnancy poses severe medical risk to the mother, states permit abortion procedures;

3. URGES states to prevent the Intact Dilation and Extraction (IDX or 'partial birth') procedure;

4. CALLS FOR increased international research in fetal development, so as to develop greater understanding of the ramifications of abortion;

5. REMINDS states that in the absence of completely reliable contraception, there may always remain a demand for abortion, and that legalisation and regulation is more likely to provide sanitary abortion possibilities.

Authored by Gruenberg
 
This resolution is currently up for vote in the UN.

Please post your views and stance on this resolution below. Note, however, that you must have a UN nation in The North Pacific, or on active NPA duty, in order for the Delegate to count your vote.
 
I think my nation will vote FOR since if this does not pass, the other resolution forcing abortion on all nations will make it to quarum.
 
The city-state of Neo Tyros votes against this resolution. We are in favor of a woman's right to control her own body.

~ Mayor Varo Novak, Neo Tyros
 
This resolution SIMPLY states the obvious.

Of course nations have the power to regulate abortion in any way, shape or form within their own borders (as long as they follow things such as human rights norms, etc).

The clause on posing risk to the mother is also redundant. Of course doctors can and should have the power to make these decisions with the prospective mother if there is a serious danger to her health.


AGAINST.
 
wizardofoz01:
This resolution SIMPLY states the obvious.

Of course nations have the power to regulate abortion in any way, shape or form within their own borders (as long as they follow things such as human rights norms, etc).

The clause on posing risk to the mother is also redundant. Of course doctors can and should have the power to make these decisions with the prospective mother if there is a serious danger to her health.


AGAINST.
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Yes, this resolution may seem redundant but it is meant to perserve nations' rights to deciding this issue for themselves. It is not exactly a restriction on nations, but a law for the UN.

It would settle the whole "abortion" debate because to legalize (or for that matter illegalize) abortion UN wide, this resolution would first have to be repealed.

I urge UN members to vote in favor of this resolution.
 
Those who feel that abortion is being thrust upon them have other forms of recourse than passing a non-bill in the UN. Those who feel that abortion rights are restricted can pass legislation in their own nations.
 
wizardofoz01:
Those who feel that abortion is being thrust upon them have other forms of recourse than passing a non-bill in the UN.
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What are the other forms of recourse? If this bill does not pass, it is more than likely the next one will, FORCING abortions to be legal in all UN nations. We'd be right back where we started before the repeal. :no:


And I see no problem with the UN passing rules for itself in the form of bills. This is not a "non-bill," but rather a bill regarding the operation of the UN. According to Wikipedia, a bill is

Wikipedia:
A bill is a law introduced within a legislature to be read as part of procedure to become a law.
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This law will require the UN to guarentee the right to restrict abortions in individual nations, based on the decision of each nation.
 
Ator People:
wizardofoz01:
This resolution SIMPLY states the obvious.

Of course nations have the power to regulate abortion in any way, shape or form within their own borders (as long as they follow things such as human rights norms, etc).

The clause on posing risk to the mother is also redundant. Of course doctors can and should have the power to make these decisions with the prospective mother if there is a serious danger to her health.


AGAINST.
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Yes, this resolution may seem redundant but it is meant to perserve nations' rights to deciding this issue for themselves. It is not exactly a restriction on nations, but a law for the UN.

It would settle the whole "abortion" debate because to legalize (or for that matter illegalize) abortion UN wide, this resolution would first have to be repealed.

I urge UN members to vote in favor of this resolution.
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Yes it outlines a nation's right but what about a woman's right? Do you honestly think that you, me, and the pope have any right to tell a woman what to do with her uterus, vagina, and fetus?

I wouldn't let the moral majority tell me what to do with my penis, I sure as well wouldn't let them tell a woman what to do with their private parts either.
 
Ator People:
What are the other forms of recourse? If this bill does not pass, it is more than likely the next one will, FORCING abortions to be legal in all UN nations. We'd be right back where we started before the repeal. :no:
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If the UN passes an abortion bill for or against, and certain nations feel strongly about this, they can choose to leave the UN -- that is one means of recourse.

Secondly, let us assume there is a majority amongst UN nations that want abortion. The argument has been floated that this bill will somehow prevent that -- make no mistake, it will not. If there is a majority FOR a pro-abortion bill, there is also theoretically a majority to REPEAL this resolution (assumng it passes). All that would be done is to delay the outcome.

This logic works the same way if there is a majority in the UN that does NOT want abortion.

If there is no majority for either case, no pro- or anti-abortion bill will be passed and this resolution is itself meaningless.
 
wizardofoz01:
Ator People:
What are the other forms of recourse?  If this bill does not pass, it is more than likely the next one will, FORCING abortions to be legal in all UN nations.  We'd be right back where we started before the repeal. :no:
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If the UN passes an abortion bill for or against, and certain nations feel strongly about this, they can choose to leave the UN -- that is one means of recourse.

Secondly, let us assume there is a majority amongst UN nations that want abortion. The argument has been floated that this bill will somehow prevent that -- make no mistake, it will not. If there is a majority FOR a pro-abortion bill, there is also theoretically a majority to REPEAL this resolution (assumng it passes). All that would be done is to delay the outcome.

This logic works the same way if there is a majority in the UN that does NOT want abortion.

If there is no majority for either case, no pro- or anti-abortion bill will be passed and this resolution is itself meaningless.
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I can say that if the next resolution does pass, mandating abortion, then (unless we can find a loophole) I may very well be forced to leave the UN.
 
Okay, after reading the replies in this thread, I have to agree with wizardofo01 on this, this resolution seems to be stating the obvious, that nations have the right to regulate abortion within their own borders?

There is no need for this resolution as Resolution #145 States: "this repeal will not prohibit any abortions, but permit it to be a daily issue in which a nation may decide this issue for themselves."

I vote AGAINST this resolution because it is superfluous.

Besides, I am assuming, I cannot find a constitution of the UN anywhere, or any resolution like this, but that the way the UN works is much like the tenth ammendment to the United States Constitution that "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." or to apply to the case of the UN, basically, if there is no resolution covering it, then the policy is left to the member states. If this is true, then again, there is no reason for this piece of legislation, as there is no reason to formally state something that is already true.
 
Voting on this resolution has ended.

Thanks to those nations who cast their votes. Your participation is a great help to the region.

This topic has been locked and sent to the Archives for safekeeping. If you would like this topic to be re-opened for further discussion, please contact the UN Delegate, a Global Moderator, or an Administrator for assistance. Thank you.
 
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