WishyWashyWonder
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Transfered from S2 on November 28th 2005
Session Start (Esper:#tnpmeetings): Sat Nov 12 18:16:33 2005
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GoalVA: Hey www
www: hello
www: Hello
Heft: Following the old system, it would be WWW's job to publish the transcript?
Poltsamaa: Welcome WWW!!
Poltsamaa: The first issue is that of Mr.Gaunt and the telegram campaign!!
www: Hello everyone Heft invited me. Am I not suppose to be here?
Poltsamaa: You are supposed to be here!!
www: ok.
Poltsamaa: I'm interested in the MoD's views on this situation!!
www: Which one?
* Heft goes to glance at endocounts
Poltsamaa: The one I just mentioned a few posts up!!
Poltsamaa: Mr.Gaunt!!
Poltsamaa: Now, I realise its unlikely his doing, but I do not want to dismiss it off-hand!!
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Poltsamaa: Welcome Eras!!
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Heft: so, flem: 361....how many endo's you have eras? than how many does kitabo have?
Poltsamaa: Kitabo had 250!!
Erastide: i'm at 284
Poltsamaa: To me, thats too close just to ignore it!!
GoalVA: I agree.
Heft: And Gaunt said that the campaign to endo him isn't really working to effectively anyway, which wouldn't suprise me, it requires the person to actually find Kitabo and endorse him, an extra step that discourages people
Poltsamaa: And he has stated he is still endorsing other nations!!
www: I have to agree, its worring
Poltsamaa: I know, the threat is not great, but it is there!!
Erastide: can we ask him to simply stop endoing others?
Erastide: until we're past the transfer point
Heft: that would make sense
Poltsamaa: Yes, that would make sense!! It would also allow us to see if he is truly intent on obeying the law and rcognising the election!!
GoalVA: brb
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Poltsamaa: I wanted to run this past you as I've asked the NPIA to look at it...I doubt there is much they can find out, but anything do could be of assistance in dealing with the matter!!
Heft: Will do
Erastide: is there a schedule for meetings?
www: Has Gaunt been trouble before this?
Poltsamaa: Essentially, I want to set a precedent of dealing with all threats evenly!!
Poltsamaa: No, not that I'm aware of!!
Erastide: ah, okay
Heft: He can't be endotarting with the intent of becoming delegate anytime soon (or he isn't doing a very good job), as my UN has only been endoed by FEC (eras) and Sirixis
Poltsamaa: If we pick and choose which "threats" to take seriously it tends to look bad!!
Erastide: mmm
Erastide: he's endoed quite a few
Poltsamaa: Yes, but he did say that he is still gettign endorsements even though he has not sent a telegram..I assume that means he is still endoing nations at random!!
Erastide: he's getting endos because the TG asks for it I assume
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GoalVA: I apologise
Heft: brb, food.
Poltsamaa: Yes, I assume the telegram has some impact, but nonetheless he does not say he is not endorsing new nations!!
Erastide: so ask him kindly to stop for a week or so
Poltsamaa: Anyway, if the NPIA can look into it and the MoD can caution Kitabo/Mr.Gaunt about his endorsements during the changeover then thats fine with me for now!!
Poltsamaa: Yes, we will do that!!
GoalVA: Sounds fine to me.
www: sounds reasonable.
Poltsamaa: The other issue I had largely involved the MoIIA and the MoJ, so I'll leave that for now!!
Poltsamaa: Congrats to WWW and Eras on their election wins, too!!
www: thanks.
Erastide: thankies
Poltsamaa: Now, does anyone have any issues to raise at the moment?! Any ideas they think need consideration?!
www: Not that i can think of at the moment.
Heft: back
Heft: and I'll send Kitabo a TG
GoalVA: I'm good for the moment.
GoalVA: I need to get that legislature passed before I can do too much.
GoalVA: Well, I'll rephrase.
GoalVA: I'd like to get that legilature passed, so I can do some real work.
Poltsamaa: Yes, we will most likely have Goal's first piee of legilation to vote on in Cabinet shortly!! Those that are not familiar with it might want to read it and post any thoughts on the matter!!
GoalVA: It's in the RA legislative discussions.
Poltsamaa: *piece!!
Poltsamaa: WWW, have you contacted the other cabinet members about your weekly reports and what you want from each member of cabinet?!
www: Yes, I've gotten some responses. Most seem willing.
GoalVA: I'll have some stuff soon.
www: Thanks Goal.
GoalVA: Can I bring something up actually?
Poltsamaa: Yes!!
Erastide: I could hope I'll get the delegacy by next Thursday, dunno
GoalVA: Deputies.
Heft: heh
GoalVA: The ministers have seven days to find one, or they are in trouble.
Heft: I grabbed mine early on
GoalVA: How's everyone doing.
GoalVA: I've got one.
www: I'm still looking.
GoalVA: So has DD>
Poltsamaa: I think that "rule" is a little silly to be honest!!
Heft: Deikura has two applicants, I believe
Poltsamaa: I'd rather have no deputy than someone just for the sake of having one!!
Poltsamaa: I don;t need one!!
www: I agree there.
GoalVA: Poltsamaa: You odn't get one anyway
Poltsamaa: I know, but just adding my 2c worth!!
GoalVA: The Deputies don't do much, until you decide to jack in your position.
Heft: Yea, you're just jealous you don't get one
Poltsamaa: You are all my deputies!!
GoalVA: I get a deputy and an ambassador-general, aren't I lucky
Heft: I'm looking for a General currently
Heft: And just more people
Poltsamaa: Anyway, seems like most of you have the deputy situation sorted out!! I'm not really that fussed about it and if it takes longer than 7 days so be it!! I'd rather peopel focussed on something more productive if they have limited time!!
Poltsamaa: Heft: We will work on a new structure for the NPA, unless you are more than happy to do it on your own?!
Poltsamaa: Its your call!!
Heft: we need more people first, and I need a someone else who can deploy the NPA besides me (azazel is in a bad timezone for update purposes)
Poltsamaa: My timezone is good for it, but I am at work at the time so cannot guarantee anything!! If you are in a bind, then I'll do it!!
Heft: ok
Poltsamaa: I don;t have IRC at work so a PM on the s2 or a telegram on NS will be the only way to get in contact with me!!
Poltsamaa: Perhaps we need to set a goal for the number of troops before we implement a new structure, that way we can use that in recruitment drives for the NPA!!
Erastide: somebody going to grab DD?
www: Does anyone have any more recruitment ideas?
Poltsamaa: For the NPA or for the forum?!
Heft: How many members should we set as a target?
Erastide: for the meeting here
Heft: I sent DD a message on AIM
www: I was thinking NPA, but both is a wise thought.
Poltsamaa: Yes, both would be good!!
Poltsamaa: I'd say 15 or so would be a start, Heft!!
Heft: alright
Poltsamaa: In NS an army of 30 is quite large from any one region IMO!!
Heft: I'm going to be PMing all the newcomers to the forum
Heft: Yea
Erastide: Can I just offer general suggestions after the military discussion is over?
Poltsamaa: Thats good!!
Poltsamaa: Sure!!
Heft: Is the military discussion over?
Poltsamaa: I think so!!
Poltsamaa: go ahead, Eras!!
Heft: We got some immediate goals, I think we're good
Heft: Yes, go Eras
Erastide: this is mainly in the area of communication
www: I'm listening.
Erastide: it used to be regular practice that anytime someone new registered on the forum, a welcome thread was automatically started
Poltsamaa: Yes, maybe Honeysheep can do that?! Part of C&E?!
Erastide: it seemed kinda creepy to me early on, but it seems like a good idea now
Poltsamaa: Yes, it does give people a thread to start posting in if they are uncertain!!
www: Very good idea.
Heft: Yea, I can see how that would be good. S2 can be quite intimidating at first.
Poltsamaa: Maybe we can all keep an eye on it so people don't get missed!!
Heft: yea
Erastide: there's one right now, he's endorsed me and just registered on the forums
www: Sounds like a good idea.
Poltsamaa: mausepetal?!
Erastide: yes
Poltsamaa: Well, you can have the honour of opening their welcome thread!!
Erastide: I assume he read the TG, endorsed me, and then came to the forum
Poltsamaa: He can read, thats a good start!!
Heft: yes, literacy is always a plus....
Erastide: ummm... I think the New to Forums Area should be condensed a bit... 8 stickies? o.O
Heft: testing their literacy
Erastide: Or there could just be one thread with a list of links
Heft: I don't think I've ever read at least half of those stickies....
Poltsamaa: I'll get HS to look over it and see if she wants anything unpinned!!
Poltsamaa: A single thread with links...like a FAQ section would be better!!
Erastide: at least the 4 FAQ can be condensed into 1
Erastide: they're locked with no replies
Heft: Didn't Tresville start something like that with the Yellow Pages sticky?
Poltsamaa: Does anyone have good terms with our Root Admin to facilitate such changes?!
Heft: I've never talked to Twoslit....
Erastide: we can poke hers
Erastide: hers likes organization i think
Poltsamaa: Yes, he might be our best bet!! How about a solitary pinned "FAQ" thread with the links to the other threads inside, that way it makes it easier to get around and also looks less intimidating!!
Erastide: The yellow pages... it's good if some updates it, but otherwise it's useless
Poltsamaa: Yes, I haven't looked at it to be honest!!
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Poltsamaa: Welcome DD!!
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DD: Whew, it's about time my internet started working
DD: Hi Mr. Prime Minister!
Erastide: (Link: http://s2.invisionfree.invalid/The_North_Pacif...?showtopic=5634
Poltsamaa: Good morning!!
Erastide: A more standard one could be... with links and everything
www: Nice Job Erastide
DD: An automatic thread generator for new members?
Erastide: like to register, join the army, whatever
GoalVA: brb.
DD: Our a form greeting thread?
Poltsamaa: Yes, good job!! Maybe ask those questions but overwhelm them with links?!
Poltsamaa: Can those be made...automatic welcome threads?!
www: I'm not sure. I've never worked with php scripting.
GoalVA: They couldn't be done with IF.
GoalVA: Sorry.
Poltsamaa: OK, no matter..we can just keep an eye out for new forum members and open a thread!!
Erastide: oh
Erastide: next thing
Erastide: LOL
Erastide: people to regularly talk on the HQ
Erastide: like right now
Heft: Yea
GoalVA: Yeah.
GoalVA: Sixiris started doing something, but we could create a recruitment team
Heft: I've never been good about that....I'll have to work on that
Erastide: I don't think it should be recruitment necessarily
Heft: Didn't we already do something like that, goal?
Erastide: too much of that and you'll bring the mods down
Erastide: people need to be encouraged to talk
GoalVA: Not recruitment, just talking on the RMB
GoalVA: Keep the forum link on the RMB but never more than once a time.
GoalVA: Sometimes talk about how great being the NPA is or whatever.
Erastide: or talk about the current legislation
Erastide:
Poltsamaa: Well, you can have it on the RMB as many times as you like as it is the regional forum..if it is another forum then once a day is the limit as far as I'm aware!!
GoalVA: Fair enough.
Heft: bring back the poetry?
GoalVA: I liked the Poetry
GoalVA: Me and Eras should have another war on their
Poltsamaa: Perhaps a semi-regular update we can have on the s2 that we can post on the RMB if we see it has disappeared!!
GoalVA: *there
GoalVA: ><
Erastide: LOL
DD: Talking about it is all well and good but all in all most members are too lazy/busy to keep up posting
Poltsamaa: Yes, thats why I thought a "cut and paste" update would be easy enough!! No thought or creativity required!!
* Erastide posted a haiku
Erastide: anything that's not original would likely go to the once a day thing though
www: brb
Heft: We could have a handful of stock posts then, I guess
Erastide: You could make them about various areas
Erastide: like become a diplomat, army officer, volunteer for the gov't, join the forum, endo the delegate
DD: overthrow the seated government....
Erastide: get on IRC
DD: I would've sooner, but the internet was being "wonky"
Poltsamaa: Yes, we could have a few posts and peopel can always change them a bit!!
Erastide: i meant as a msg dd
Erastide: volunteer for the TNP news service
Poltsamaa: Yes, there are a number of messages we could use!!
Poltsamaa: If we get one or two people involved then its worth the small amount of effort!!
Heft: yea
Poltsamaa: DD, do you have any isssues you want to discuss?!
Poltsamaa: Or does Eras have some nore topics to discuss?!
www: I apologize.
www: I have returned.
Erastide: umm... TGing *all* the nations in TNP >_>
Erastide: and PMing all RA and RV when votes are happening
Heft: TGing all nations in TNP?!
Erastide: yes
Erastide: inviting them to the forum
Erastide: I TG'd roughly 700 on friday
Erastide: it's not *that* hard
Heft: Time consuming....
www: There is no mass TG thing set up is there? That would be handy.
Erastide: true
Erastide: heh
Heft: And there's 6000-something nations
Erastide: quite the opposite
Erastide: yep
Erastide: which is why it would take multiple ppl
Heft: get a crew together, find a script that lists every nation, give, say A-C to person 1, D-F to person 2
Erastide: LOL
Erastide: there's a "list all nations" link on NS
Erastide: that's how i've been finding my UNs
Heft: scripts with links would be easier
Heft: if you have multiple people
Heft: IMO, anyway
Erastide: true, a script would be easier
Heft: then you just have to get the script, though
Poltsamaa: It wouldn't be so hard to give people A-B etc and use the nation's list!! Just need to keep a record of who you sent a TG to!!
Heft: yea, but then whoever ends up with M-P or whatever has to click over to the 200th page or whatever maybe 3 pages at a time....and that's just inconvient
www: or use the nations list and go by so many pages.
Erastide: it's not that hard to sift through
Poltsamaa: You can use the direct link..go to the first page copy the link to that part of the page and then cut and paste it in the URL and change the number at the end!!
DD: What happens when the UN rankings change?
Erastide: get out of the frames and it's easy
Erastide: the list of nations is alphabetical
Heft: I never used the UN ranking list
Heft: Use the "list all nations" link
Poltsamaa: Yes!!
Poltsamaa: Anyway, Ill pass this on to the MoIIA as it falls under their domain!!
Poltsamaa: Sort of!!
Erastide: i thought goalvie was thinking of organzing something for it
Poltsamaa: Oh, I just thought it was under the MoIIA and didn;t want to cut their grass!!
Poltsamaa: Deikura said she cannot make the meeting!!
DD: I posted a haiku
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Poltsamaa: Welcome DM!!
DM: hey everyone
www: Hi DM
Heft: hi!
Poltsamaa: DM, you wanted to talk about a certain issue?!
DM: yes there was a Cabinet review in the cabinet section
DM: I also messaged the former Ministers about it
Poltsamaa: link?!
DM: the thing is that Byardkuria has asked the cabinet to look at the descion taken by Tresville
DM: (Link: http://s2.invisionfree.invalid/The_North_Pacif...iew=getlastpost
Heft: oh, that
DM: yes
DM: Well the new MoIIA has taken the decision to approve re-approve the applaication
DM: but it was a matter for this cabinet to decide
DM: if it was to be over-turned
Poltsamaa: Well, lets discuss it!!
Poltsamaa: I do like to give the ministers some room tomove in their ministries!!
DM: I do as well, however it was requested for review
Poltsamaa: That is true!!
DM: and in the area of continuity it fell to us to do so
Poltsamaa: Yes, so lets review it!!
DM: I have no with looking at the decision again and have everyone's input
GoalVA: I have no issue with Fedele.
DM: nor do I
www: Me neither.
DD: Same here
DD: except he gravedug
Poltsamaa: I see no reason to block the application under the laws of the region!!
DD: and I hate him for it
GoalVA: Or me.
Poltsamaa: lol @ DD!!
GoalVA: Necroposts are evil.
DM: shall we vote on over turning the descion by Tresville?
Poltsamaa: Yes, the vote starts now!!
www: yes, sounds good to me.
DM: I vote Yes
Poltsamaa: Aye!!
GoalVA: Is there a point, as the applicant reapplied and was accepted?
Poltsamaa: Just for closure!!
GoalVA: Fair enough
GoalVA: Aye.
www: Aye
DD: Aye
Heft: Aye
Poltsamaa: 6 Aye's!! Done!!
GoalVA: We need to contact the other ministers to get their vote.
Poltsamaa: Deikura and HS!!
DM: yep
DM: I wish Deikura was here as I want to know why FHL's Application is on Hold
Poltsamaa: Yes, so do I!! Either it is for review or its accepted!!
GoalVA: I assume we are waiting on the Security Council's stuff?
GoalVA: Speaking of which, can't you request some disclosure, Polts?
Poltsamaa: I will ask Wiz and he is now in charge of the SC is he not?!
DM: I need a mod to set up an area for evidence to be disclosed
GoalVA: Contact Hersfold.
DM: yep
DD: [20:41] RocMan15: How do you vote on the issue of overturning tresville's decision to revoke fedele's RV status
DD: [20:42] Kumi: What do you mean? It's moot. I've already done it.
DD: [20:43] RocMan15: Yeah, but they're doing it for closure
DD: [20:43] * Kumi sighs.
DD: [20:43] Kumi: For.
DD: There you go
DM: DD is she on Aim?
DM: wait.. obviously she is
DM: lol
GoalVA: Get her in here.
DD: She can do what she wants
DD:
Poltsamaa: <Kumiko> Like I said to DD, the point is moot. Aye.
Poltsamaa: She won't come in here!!
GoalVA: Why not?
Poltsamaa: *shrugs* because we want her to?!
DM: is each ministry giving an update on what is going on?
DD: Errrmmm, I guess I'll go first?
Poltsamaa: Do we have anymore items to discuss?!
Poltsamaa: Updates from the minsitries!!
GoalVA: I'm cool.
GoalVA: I need to recruit for the Diplomatic corps.
GoalVA: :S
Heft: we already went over all the defense stuff
www: I'm doing fine, but still need a deputy.
GoalVA: I want to do a review of Lion-Star with you, heft.
GoalVA: and that ADN thing.
Heft: alright, that would probably be good
GoalVA: Polts, our Ambassadors need new credentials.
GoalVA: I'll knock them up, if you wanna check them over for me?
DD: It's been pointed out that there is a lack of "arts" in my Ministry. So i'll be starting "MSpaint draw something or other" threads and see how that goes
GoalVA: DD, that would be ace.
DM: The MoJ is reviewing the current Cathyy Case and going to Drop it due to a lack of complaining party, however we are reviewing the Tresvill Complaint and will be filing charges at the end of that against
DM: Cathyy, IP and Shoeless Joe
DM: We are filing for Impeachment of Jsutice Thyatira
DM: *justice
DM: and we are posting the findings of the complaint Cathyy v Tresville
DM: and I am looking for a new Deputy
DD: Oh, I found my deputy.
DD: And why are we impeaching thy? Inactivity?
Heft: Yea
DD: Makes sense
DM: yes that is business left over from the previous term
DM: I am also going to submit the Statute of Limitations additions to the Constitution this week
DM: which will end the long term threat of trial over anyone
DD: Excellent
www: That sounds like a very good idea.
Poltsamaa: Sorry, phone call!!
Heft: sounds good, I'm going to want to look at changing the term limits....
DM: yes?
Poltsamaa: Goal: send me the info about the ambassadors and I'll sign off on them!!
GoalVA: Okay
DM: I will let Polts catch up
GoalVA: Heft: I've already been working on something.
GoalVA: Wanna work together on it?
Poltsamaa: I'm caught up, what changes to the term limitations were you thinking about?!
Heft: ok
GoalVA: Removing them all together
Heft: heh
www: lol
GoalVA: Why not.
Heft: or at least loosening them up quite a bit
Poltsamaa: Not a bad idea, if people do a good job then why kick them out?!
GoalVA: At the end of the day, we have to be voted back in anyway.
Poltsamaa: Yes!!
DM: Yes!!
Poltsamaa: If we had a stable, long-term Delegate then why kick them out after 2 terms if they want to continue and people vote them back in?!
GoalVA: Indeed.
Heft: yea
Erastide: my only concern on that is that term limits kinda limit the possibility of new people stepping up
Poltsamaa: Seems like pointless upheaval to me!!
GoalVA: the only problem I can see is that people might become entrenched in a position.
Erastide: relaxing term limits*
GoalVA: And we wouldn't get any new blood.
Erastide: heehee
Poltsamaa: True, but then Deputies should be more appealing and at the end of the day, people will move on!!
GoalVA: Indeed.
Erastide: there should be *some* limit
GoalVA: Perhaps.
Poltsamaa: Perhaps ectend it to 4 terms!!
Poltsamaa: extend*
Poltsamaa: !!
Erastide: a full year?
GoalVA: Sure, why not?
Erastide: what about 2 in the same position
Erastide: 4 across the government
Heft: I'm not sure if I would even want to be in the cabinet a full year
GoalVA: People might only want to run for one position.
GoalVA: or be good at one position/.
GoalVA: I'd suck outside of the EA
DM: what about adjusting the length of terms>
Poltsamaa: Well, three months is not long..once the elections finish and taking into account the beginning of new elections at the end of the 3 months, two terms could be as little as 20 weeks in the job!!
GoalVA: If it gets to be a problem, we could re-introduce them when we have more people.
GoalVA: At the moment all the term limits do is restrict our active and capable members for taking office.
Poltsamaa: The 4 term limitation would be a maximum, if people don't want to run again then thats fine!!
GoalVA: You can only ever have four terms in office ever?
Poltsamaa: No, consecutive as far as I'm aware!!
GoalVA: That's okay by me.
Poltsamaa: Sit one out and then run again!!
Heft: We could extend the terms another month, and have no more than two consecutive government terms
GoalVA: I was also considering that perhaps the Prime Minister should have held a ministry position previous to running for PM.
DD: I don't currently believe there are many interested in being Min of A&E
GoalVA: DD, at the minute, but there isn't many interested in EA either.
Poltsamaa: Extended length of term is another option, yes!!
Poltsamaa: Or PM for that matter...hell..I won!!
GoalVA: We've had a huge increase in apathy since SoS.
GoalVA: Which is a problem.
GoalVA: People aren't interested now we're at peace.
Heft: heh
Poltsamaa: I think people are scared to step up because of the "reception" they might get!!
GoalVA: Poltsamaa: Perhaps... although I was talking more about the RVs we have on the rolls here.
GoalVA: I was considering proposing an activity clause for our RVs/RAs
DD: I would agree with that
GoalVA: and the Ministers.
DD: and that
Poltsamaa: True, but it is true of most regions..a lot of peopel can't be bothered takign any responsibility!!
Poltsamaa: Good idea!!
GoalVA: Would make it simple to remove those officials who just disappear and would remove the worry of sleeper RVs that only appear at elections.
Poltsamaa: If there are no more items to discuss we can close the meeting, just need HS to vote on Fedele's RV review on the record!!
Poltsamaa: She said she'd be in ~9am GMT so a little while off!!
www: geeze GMT time throws me off.
Poltsamaa: lol, in 7 hours..so we won't hang around waiting!!
www:
Poltsamaa: If nobody has any objections, I'll end the transcript!!
www: no objection here.
GoalVA: None here
Heft: nopers
* Poltsamaa pokes Eras and DD
DD: End
Erastide: i have no objections, so i didn't post.....
Poltsamaa: lol, ok thanks for turning up to the frst cabinet meeting!! We won't have many IRC meetings..promise!!