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Cheers, we live and learn. I'll definitely make time to read the proposal but right now it's sack time. Evening all.

Time to show my ignorance here, what is the WFE?

Tres, I'm well aware of the original thread because I got caught up in the endotarting purge at the same time. "I still don't see how my message to him was offensive in any way. Especially taking into account our past dealing with him. " I think you hit the nail on the head with that quote...

Hell, I step out to watch Match of the Day and it all kicks off. Look Tres, I'll be as blunt about this as you are, your attitude stinks. You are aggresive, attempt to be intimidating, and about as welcoming to new players as a rottweiller with piles. You need to understand that this is not...

I have a few questions which may put things in perspective. 1) How many states make up TNP? 2) How many are active, and by that I mean seek endorsements or participate in debates? 3) If, as I suspect, the answer to 2 is significantly lower than 1 then what is the cause?

I suppose in part it comes down to how you perceive the game should be played. I for one genuinely don't have the time to commit myself to a serious political position but I do like to dabble with acquiruing endorsements. Isn't there room in the game for both camps?

How can discussing a serious issue bug you Tres, I thought that was the point in having a forum? As for having a good system, it obviously isn't that good if it's not working.

Seems like a very sensible arrangement to me.

I fully agree and support your view. Debate beats dictatorship any day of the week.

Morning all, can I just add my comments. It's good to hear your thoughts on this issue are positive and constructive. I would class myself as one of those members who for one reason or another do not have the time or inclination to truly get involved in the politics of TNP. But that doesn not...

Ye what? Speak English boy.

Don't know about Tormin but I just thought it was the idea to get a decent score and get off minnow. Must be the competitive gene in me.

Thanks, that's very kind of you.

Hardly something to be proud of is it.

Eluvatar, I take my hat off to you. Well I would if I wore one. :worship:

Not protest, genuine concern. I don't really give a monkey's leathery hoop about what other regions may or may not do, I'm in North Pacific and plan to stay so I think it only reasonable that I voice my concern. As it is, they have been resolved through reasoned debate and not blindly...

Crisis, what crisis :cry: Just shows the power of debate.

I fully agree ignorance is no defence, and that's coming from someone who was very ignorant. I do agree as a new member and suspected uber-tarter that communication could have been better. To put it bluntly I was well P@@@ed off. But now the situation has been explained I can understand...

Well I'm glad we finally agreed our roles in this performance. By the way Kandarin, have you ever considered that someone may actually raise their voice in dissent and actually have something of value to say without wanting to become a despot?

Final message from your friendly loudmouth VP for tonight, honest. Yes I agree it was a very intersting session especially as it seems to have run over several forums. A good and frank exchange of views which I hope have led to a stronger Region and certainly a greater understanding of whats...

Happy to continue the debate but not tonight. Think it's time for some sleeps.

Hello Heft glad you could join us at this late stage but the matter, as I said, has beed sorted. But to clarify my position: "The situation has been explained to you sufficiently. If you continue to endo-swap at this point, then the only reasonable assumption we can make is that you are a...

Nation: Vaticania Prime Zone: F Colour: Red Comments: The bottom end of the penninsula looks nice and friendly. Anywhere with a nice beach would be appreciated.

Thanks Kandarin but I still disagree with you. You can't call it a complex model and then agree with simplistic actions, that is just fanciful nonsense. I agree this is not reality but the general principles remain the same so I stick to my guns and argue that pre-emptive strikes and threats...

And apologies if I have come over as being a bit abrasive. Contrary to how I run my state I do strongly believe in free speech and democracy so I get a little upperty when I think, rightly or wrongly, that my rights have been threatened. Onwards and upwards. Mother Church will remember you in...

Yes a very enthralling debate, heated at times but ultimately very constructive and educational. It's certainly got me more engaged with the forum.

Excuse my ignorance but what's this map business?

Sorry Eluvatar but you are again missing the point. Mistrust is when you have reason not to place your trust in them but there is a middle ground which I suggest it may be of value in occupying. Let's hope we have all gained a little trust from this debate.

Tresville, I appreciate your offer and I'm happy to accept it in the spirit of co-operation. I can't promise that some of my already given endorsements wont trigger return endorsements in the future but until it's otherwise announced I will not be offering any further endorcements...

I am always looking for alternate means of resolution.