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The Nasanian Military Statistics(work in Progress). For every 1 Soldier, there is 5 in Logistics. Logistics ratio can vary from 1:7 & 1:11. Only in wars should Active duty exceed 10% of total Military. Army size should never comprise more than 10% of Population. Pay is ten times the normal amount in wartime. Nasanian Population is 91 Million for RP statistics

Naval Combat Ships
Air Craft Carriers[c]Amphibious Warfare Ships[c]Cruisers[c]Destroyers[c]Frigates[c]Corvettes[c]Missile Boats/Gunboats[c]Patrol Boats[c]Nuclear Submarine[c]Submarine[c]Minesweepers[c]Seamen[c]Reserves[c]Paramilitary[c]0[c]4[c]1[c]5[c]12[c]40[c]40[c]25[c]0[c]2(both HK)[c]15[c]16140 [c]15333[c]50[c]2 Billion Dollars Each[c]300 Million Dollars Each[c]2 Billion each[c]1 Billion each[c]200 Million each[c]125 Million each[c]25 million each[c]30 million each[c]5 Billion each[c]1 Billion each(500 Million for HK subs)[c]25 Million Each[c]N/A[c]N/A[c]N/A[c]72 Million to Upkeep per year[c]33 Million Upkeep/year[c]9 Million upkeep/year[c]8 Million Upkeep/year[c]17 Million upkeep/year[c]6 Million Upkeep/year[c]3 Million Upkeep/year[c]4 Million Upkeep/year[c]20 Million Upkeep/year[c]10 Million Upkeep/year(5 Miilion for HK Subs)[c]5 million Upkeep/year[c]110,000/year[c]110,000 year[c]110,000 Year
Naval Auxiliary Ships
Replenishment[c]Transport[c]Repair[c]Harbor[c]Research/Reconnaissance[c]2[c]40[c]3[c]15[c]10[c]200 Million Each[c]25 Million Each[c]125 Million Each[c]25 Million Each[c]150 Million [c]20 Million Upkeep/year[c]5 Million Upkeep/year[c]15 million Upkeep/Year[c]3 Million Upkeep/year[c]30 Million Upkeep/year
Navy Merchant Marine
Large Cargo Ship[c]Medium Cargo Ship[c]Small Cargo Ship[c]50[c]100[c]200[c]200 Million Each[c]125 Million Each[c]50 Million Each[c]20 Million upkeep/year[c]15 Million Upkeep/year[c]10 Million Upkeep/year

Air Force
Jet Fighters[c]Heavy Bombers[c]Helicopters[c]Transport[c]Support[c]Stealth Bomber[c]Reconnaissance[c]Tanker[c]Airmen[c]Reserves[c]Paramilitary[c]Stealth Fighter[c]400[c]5[c]400[c]10[c]15[c]0[c]5[c]2[c]2135[c]2028[c]10[c]0[c]100 Million Each[c]200 Million Each[c]50 Million Each[c]150 Million Each[c]100 Million Each[c]2 Billion Each[c]300 Million Each[c]125 Million Each[c]N/A[c]N/A[c]N/A[c]1 Billion Each[c]10 Million Upkeep/year[c]3 Million Upkeep/year[c]5 Million Upkeep/year[c]10 Million Upkeep/year[c]5 Million Upkeep/year[c]40.8 Million Upkeep/year[c]30 Million Upkeep/year[c]30 Million Upkeep/year[c]100,000 Upkeep/year[c]100,000 Upkeep/year[c]100,000 Upkeep/year[c]300 Million Upkeep/year

Army
Main Battle Tanks[c]Artillery[c]Trucks[c]Ground Vehicles[c]Soldiers[c]Reserves[c]Paramilitary[c]500[c]1000[c]1000[c]1000[c]25000[c]15000[c]250[c]4 Million each[c]3 Million Each[c]1 Million Each[c]3 Million Each[c]N/A[c]N/A[c]N/A[c]20,000 Upkeep/year[c]15,000 Upkeep/year[c]13,000 Upkeep/year[c]10,000 Upkeep/year[c]125,000 Upkeep/year[c]125,000 Upkeep/year[c]125,000 Upkeep/year

Nuclear Weapons
Big Nuclear Bomb[c]Medium Nuclear Bomb[c]Small Nuclear Bomb[c]0[c]0[c]0[c]1 billion each[c]200 Million each[c]100 Million Each[c]50 Million Upkeep/year[c]20 Million Upkeep/year[c]2 Million Upkeep/year
 
Im sorry but no.... just no. You do not have 4.7 Million troops with an RP population of 91 Million. You especially do NOT have 1.5 Million Troops in your navy when you don't even have 100 ships (including a lack of Carriers). (Just look at the US Navy 288 combat ships including 10 super carriers and 72 Submarines and they maintain only 325,000 active troops in the navy)

You also pay each solider 10,000? You do realize if you are a large enough economy to support that much military infrastructure then you are not paying them 10,000 each cuz that would be poverty levels.
 
Lord Lore:
Im sorry but no.... just no. You do not have 4.7 Million troops with an RP population of 91 Million. You especially do NOT have 1.5 Million Troops in your navy when you don't even have 100 ships (including a lack of Carriers). (Just look at the US Navy 288 combat ships including 10 super carriers and 72 Submarines and they maintain only 325,000 active troops in the navy)

You also pay each solider 10,000? You do realize if you are a large enough economy to support that much military infrastructure then you are not paying them 10,000 each cuz that would be poverty levels.
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I must agree, the citizen-army ratio is off.
 
Thanks for the input,

I was more focused on the number of vessels and costs thereof, than troop numbers when I made the above lists. I have recalculated the statistics based on personnel per item.

Operation of Craft
Sailors=16140
Airmen=2440
Soldiers=5000

On Logistics side of things
Sailors=80700
Airmen=12200
Soldiers=25000

Now as for having a military of 4.7 million with a population of 91 million, that actually is possible. Here are the statistics for Vietnam. However, their navy is about 50,000 sailors for 60 ships. The two Koreas have an even higher troop to population ratio.

As for Military Pay, I was basing it off of this. This site on the other hand says 40,000. So 40,000 is the new minimum pay. Some nations actually pay even less than 1000. Nepal pays a colonel the equivalent of $309.213. Recruits barely get $100. Also I was basing the pay on this. The value added per worker is 9676. Probably shouldn't have used the calc because its GDP per capita is ridiculously low compared to the amount in the budget.

Here are the sources:

Canada Warship cost

RP Population Realism guide

Guide:Building Your Military

list of countries by military personnel

Stealth Bomber basic information

B2 Bomber costs 3.2 million/month google search

Nuclear Bomb Cost

China is cheap in supplying its military

Han Dynasty Military Pay

China soldier cost

China's cheap Soldier cost

Tank Cost list

US military equipment cost

How to make a military guide

Air Force maintenance Costs

Navy Upkeep costs

Warship Manufacture Costs
 
Aircfraft Carrier[c]Aphibious WarfareShip[c]Cruiser[c]Destroyer[c]Frigate[c]Corvettes[c]Missile Boats/Gunboats[c]Patrol Boats[c]Submarine[c]Minesweeper[c]Landing Craft[c]Replenishment[c]Repair[c]Harbor[c]Research/Recon[c]Big Cargo Ship[c]MediumCargo Ship[c]Small Cargo ship[c]Yacht[c]Jet Fighter[c]Heavy Bomber[c]Helicopter[c]Transport[c]Support[c]Recon[c]TankerArcraft[c]Main Battle Tank[c]Artillery[c]Trucks[c]Ground Vegicles[c]3000 total crew[c]1000 crew[c]330 crew[c]158 crew[c]215 crew[c]30crew[c]30[c]20[c]141(100 HK)[c]50[c]5[c]365[c]100[c]16[c]20[c]30[c]10[c]3[c]70[c]2[c]5[c]5[c]3[c]5[c]1[c]5[c]5[c]2[c]2[c]3[c]300 officers[c]60 officers[c]30 officers[c]18 officers[c]17 officers[c]5[c][c][c]14 officers[c]5 officers[c][c][c][c][c][c][c][c][c]15[c][c][c][c][c][c][c][c][c][c][c][c]3000[c]600 people[c][c][c][c][c][c][c][c][c]400[c][c][c][c][c][c][c][c][c][c][c][c][c][c][c][c][c][c]20[c]

This site has basic information on Naval ship crews
 
Nasania:
Now as for having a military of 4.7 million with a population of 91 million, that actually is possible. Here are the statistics for Vietnam. However, their navy is about 50,000 sailors for 60 ships. The two Koreas have an even higher troop to population ratio.

As for Military Pay, I was basing it off of this. This site on the other hand says 40,000. So 40,000 is the new minimum pay. Some nations actually pay even less than 1000. Nepal pays a colonel the equivalent of $309.213. Recruits barely get $100. Also I was basing the pay on this. The value added per worker is 9676. Probably shouldn't have used the calc because its GDP per capita is ridiculously low compared to the amount in the budget.
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Yes 4.7 is possible, but it is unneeded and as you see no RL country has those types of active troop numbers. And the Koreas are not an accurate representation since they are active wartime states that both fear an attack on their society will happen at any moment.

Also you might want to not use Nepal as a comparison for how you pay your soldiers. Nepal is for lack of a better word backwater country that has a stunted economy where the cost of living is minimal.

But really comparing your equipment with your personel... you have a massive amount of soldiers and etc just sitting around watching paint dry.
 
Lord Lore:
Nasania:
Now as for having a military of 4.7 million with a population of 91 million, that actually is possible. Here are the statistics for Vietnam. However, their navy is about 50,000 sailors for 60 ships. The two Koreas have an even higher troop to population ratio.

As for Military Pay, I was basing it off of this. This site on the other hand says 40,000. So 40,000 is the new minimum pay. Some nations actually pay even less than 1000. Nepal pays a colonel the equivalent of $309.213. Recruits barely get $100. Also I was basing the pay on this. The value added per worker is 9676. Probably shouldn't have used the calc because its GDP per capita is ridiculously low compared to the amount in the budget.
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Yes 4.7 is possible, but it is unneeded and as you see no RL country has those types of active troop numbers. And the Koreas are not an accurate representation since they are active wartime states that both fear an attack on their society will happen at any moment.

Also you might want to not use Nepal as a comparison for how you pay your soldiers. Nepal is for lack of a better word backwater country that has a stunted economy where the cost of living is minimal.

But really comparing your equipment with your personel... you have a massive amount of soldiers and etc just sitting around watching paint dry.
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I may have many troops, but they are necessary(at least the army is). Nasania is currently engaged in hostilities with separatists in the interior. Have been fighting them off and on since the 1970's. In addition to this, Nasania fought a civil war(2-3 years ago) that caused damage to infrastructure of which the military has been repairing. Other fallout from the civil war is that our country is currently administered by a military junta and our military forces.

In regards to overall numbers of soldiers, we are counting civilians affiliated with the armed services, not all uniformed service men and women are operating equipment. Their focus is research, manufacture of materials, administration, logistics, reserves etc. Our government also has universal conscription which is going to increase the size of our army substantially.

Hmm. Would it be proper to use Thailand as a model nation? The Thai Navy has 64,000 personnel for a total of 59 Ocean ships. 248 including the river-boats. 1200 naval airmen, 27,000 conscripts, 20,000 Marines, 15,800 sailors. We have a total of 144 ocean going vessels. So, I will adjust the navy personnel number further by putting them in the Army for the sake of balance.

Here are the Thai vessel and crew number.
Aircraft carrier : 1(3000 crew)
Frigates : 8(1720 crew)
Corvettes : 7(210 crew)
Patrol vessels : 22 (440 crew)
Fast attack craft : 9 (270 crew)
Amphibious warfare ship : 3 (3000 crew)
Landing Craft Utility : 9 (45 crew)
River ships : 189 complement is 30 so 5670 crew

So Thailand's total Navy personnel on their ships is no more than 15000 (about 8685 on ocean) troops.

Regarding my new numbers of 117900 troops, my personnel per 1000 per capita should be within reason. The figures I used in the table is 1.3 as this list of Personnel per 1000 per capita shows, the world average for newly industrializing nations is shown here.

May I ask that you please supply some numbers that you see as valid for a nation of my type? If I increase my population to 160 million, how many soldiers?
If I increase my Naval vessels? By how much?
Which nation(statistics) are you using as a basis for your judgement of troop ratio?
 
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