Election Commission Statement on the Del Election

[Gracius Maximus]

Unfortunately, the Election Commission can not validate the election of Flemingovia as Delegate of The North Pacific.

While Flemingovia did receive a majority of votes cast it did not receive a majority of the Regional Assembly membership, which stood at 39 members at the beginning of the election cycle.

The nation Flemingovia received 16 of the 21 votes cast for Delegate. 20 votes are required to be elected Delegate per the Constitution:

9. Election of the Delegate and Vice Delegate shall require a majority vote of the Assembly.

A new vote for the position of Delegate only will begin immediately with the same criteria necessary.

 

[Outer Kharkistania]

 

[Govindia]

could you please post the full vote tallies sir?

 

[Gracius Maximus]

could you please post the full vote tallies sir?

Here? This topic is concerning the vote for Delegate, which was disclosed in the opening statement.

Those voting for the Delegate of The North Pacific voted 16 for Flemingovia and 5 for Tresville. The total vote output for Delegate in the election was 21 votes.

This will serve as official posting of the Delegate vote tally.

 

[Govindia]

And the votes for the other candidates? I.e. how many abstained here and for the other candidates?

 

[Kor]

My sentiments exactly. -_-

 

[HEM]

Can we just have a re-vote and all RA members vote for Flem? It seems he is the popular choice, and we need to resolve this quickly.

 

[Namyeknom]

My sentiments exactly. -_-

I saw the number of threads about the election results and thought "Not again!"...

 

[Outer Kharkistania]

Didn't Cisco say not to vote for him?

If he drops out, will we not have to run this again?

 

[Namyeknom]

Didn't Cisco say not to vote for him?

If he drops out, will we not have to run this again?

Well, were going to have to re-run anyway. Unless anyone fancies a retro-active constitutional shredding vote.

Technically speaking a relatively small group of people could effectively prevent us from ever having a delegate, simply by having a nation they keep active once a month and never voting in delegate elections.

 

[Govindia]

Does that mean it's time to take up drinking again?

 

[Outer Kharkistania]

Didn't Cisco say not to vote for him?

If he drops out, will we not have to run this again?

Well, were going to have to re-run anyway. Unless anyone fancies a retro-active constitutional shredding vote.

Technically speaking a relatively small group of people could effectively prevent us from ever having a delegate, simply by having a nation they keep active once a month and never voting in delegate elections.

 

[Gracius Maximus]

And the votes for the other candidates? I.e. how many abstained here and for the other candidates?

Please see the main election thread for the complete tallies.

 

[Namyeknom]

Does that mean it's time to take up drinking again?

In TNP, its always time to take up drinking.

 

[Rhindon Blade]

Once again the red tape muffles its victims...I don't believe there is much that can be done. Lets get this vote going again...

 

[Kor]

Fail law is fail.

 

[Falconias]

That's a ridiculous bit of legislation we have here. Anyone who didn't vote should be regarded as 'abstain' and I could be mistaken but I was under the impression we have passed a bill or were discussing a bill to take away abstain votes from the tally. I would like to see a retroactive bill take effect as such -- it's not my problem as a citizen of this region that 13 people couldn't be bothered to get off their ass and vote. If they are not active or aware enough to notice that we were having elections, then they should not be in this Assembly.

 

[Rhindon Blade]

I agree to a point. This will need to be addressed, but lets get the elections over and done with first.

 

[Gracius Maximus]

Abstaining does not remove one from the Regional Assembly and the right of not voting is just as valid as the right to vote.

The voting tally for Delegate was 21 votes out of 39 possible. Abstains had no bearing on the total counted. They were not considered part of the voting total.

 

[Eluvatar]

I shall be doing a check of who is actually a valid member of the Assembly at this time, as well as informing Assembly members of the election.

Please bear with me, this should be done by the Tenth.

 

[Eluvatar]

I shall be doing a check of who is actually a valid member of the Assembly at this time, as well as informing Assembly members of the election.

Please bear with me, this should be done by the Tenth.

All done with my side of this.

For the curious, behold!

There are 41 registered Assembly members, so the requisite majority would be 22 votes.

By the by, thank you Gracius Maximus for attracting my attention to this subject.

 

[mr_sniffles]

I shall be doing a check of who is actually a valid member of the Assembly at this time, as well as informing Assembly members of the election.

Please bear with me, this should be done by the Tenth.

All done with my side of this.

For the curious, behold!

There are 41 registered Assembly members, so the requisite majority would be 22 votes.

By the by, thank you Gracius Maximus for attracting my attention to this subject.

First off, the public rolls listed in the Public Halls are but a snapshot of the total list. The one posted publically was done on Dec 12th as required by law to check activity monthly. The list given to Gracius Maximus was given during the Holidays with additional last minute entrants added in; Knockavale and Grand Admiral if I`m not mistaken.

The final list given to Eluvatar was heavily scrutinized and weeded out clerical mistakes I seemed to have made throughout the year, I've never been good with spreadsheets and mainly involved uneven rows, missing nation links, members on the list that were removed and not masked or those removed but not masked.

For clarification, 39 is not the official number of RA members. It is the number of members as of Dec 13, Elu is right with the number 41. The list given to GM was partial and only contained info needed to be validated as an RA member, because it was a copy and paste job, it was not numbered.

Sorry if I had any role to play in this confusion.

And to GM, you`ve prosecuted the law arbritrarily with no concern for the orginal intent or prior precedent. Congrats, you`ll make a fine judge yet!

 

[Gracius Maximus]

Prior precedent was erroneous if you are inferring that the Delegate vote should have included only those voting and not taken the whole of the Regional Assembly into account.

Having precedent isn't the same as having law. The law is clear. The vote is to be a majority of the RA, not a majority of those from the RA voting.

If previous votes failed to follow the law then they were mistaken. Continuing to adhere to failed legal interpretation in the face of clear understanding isn't arbitrary, it is simply a willingness to follow the law even if some disagree.

As to the voting roll, the official number of members eligible to vote at the beginning of the election cycle was certified as 39. Any changes of status or additions or even subtractions after that point are moot in this context. Clerical errors that took place prior to the election cycle beginning have no bearing on this either.

 

[Al Homa]

I wish I had placed good money on there being a technical difficulty with this election. The North Pacific wouldn't be the same without it.