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Firstly:
Thel says he will field questions about Carbonari.
IRC #tnp:
IRC with Biyah:[09:53:28] <Eluvatar> Well the EP initial battle looked very different than the Empire does now
[09:53:30] <Eluvatar> That it is.
[09:53:34] <Biyah> And intelligent. They're mostly using proxies, even on their home board.
[09:53:38] <Eluvatar> Have you ascertained Phedre's identity?
[09:53:40] <Eluvatar> Heheh
[09:53:45] <Biyah> I've got an IP trap set up, I'm not pulling much
[09:53:51] <Eluvatar> ditto
[09:54:02] <Biyah> All I got so far was a couple weak hits on individuals who could be on the board regularly, and Govindia
[09:54:21] <Biyah> They usually go invisible, and when they post there are always more people online, enough to confuse whose IP is whose
[09:54:36] <Eluvatar> I've caught a few in the act of posting.
[09:55:00] <Biyah> I've caught several, but there is always a delay from the time they post, to when they pull my sig image
[09:55:14] <Eluvatar> Often yes there's a delay.
[09:55:17] <Biyah> If they didnt know about this trick, I'd have had all their identities by now.
[09:55:25] <Biyah> So there are old ADN'ers in ther, somewhere.
[09:55:27] <Biyah> This was a TWP trick
[09:55:35] <Eluvatar> Yes I know
[09:55:40] <Eluvatar> pulled by Dilber against NPD
[09:55:48] <Eluvatar> that's when it became widely known I think.
[09:55:50] <Biyah> Sleepy, actually, during Dilber's reign
[09:55:59] <Biyah> Yeah, when Moldavi was found out
[09:56:01] <Biyah> and Tygaland
[09:56:03] <Eluvatar> yup
[09:56:14] <Eluvatar> so I'm fairly sure of Lady Anastasia's identity
[09:56:17] <Biyah> oh?
[09:56:42] <Biyah> I have a direct IP hit
[09:56:44] <Biyah> It's Govindia
[09:57:06] <Biyah> His mewing about how its someone else at his company is pathetic, at best
[09:58:20] <Eluvatar> 2 things.
[09:58:44] <Eluvatar> Lady Phedre, in my opinion, sincerely hates Gov.
[09:58:50] <Eluvatar> er, several.
[09:59:12] <Eluvatar> continuing the hatred-- it would not mesh with what I know on that subject at all.
[09:59:35] <Eluvatar> Next, Govindia is not that smart. Look at the language of Anastasia's posts vs his?
[09:59:41] <Biyah> Anyone can work with him, if it means gaining information.
[09:59:53] <Biyah> He had just enough status in the FRA to tell the Empire when troops were moving.
[10:00:10] <Biyah> I've also seen Phedres, Rahls and Anastasia's posting styles change.
[10:00:16] <Biyah> there are multiple people involved.
[10:00:23] <Eluvatar> Now that makes more sense.
[10:00:29] <Biyah> Gov is not stupid, just very immature.
[10:00:42] <Biyah> I've seen him post things that made me blink and reread for their insight, on TWP
[10:00:47] <Eluvatar> Perhaps but the first point does remain.
[10:00:49] <Biyah> he's hated. And, one of the most misunderstood people in the game.
[10:01:09] <Biyah> Also, that works against him. He's that hated... would he not go somewhere he would be wanted?
[10:01:25] <Biyah> JAL was like that once. Nasi accepted him, he became a stalwart anti-PRP agent
[10:01:38] <Biyah> Pope just gave him a pat and a smile, and suddenly the man was all smiles.
[10:01:49] <Eluvatar> It seems extraordinary for Phedre to accept Gov on the one hand while being angry at Loop for accepting Gov on the other.
[10:01:58] <Biyah> I have this suspicion that Phedre really is a woman. Gov would do anything for a chick (even one who hated him)
[10:02:01] <Eluvatar> JAL's amusing.
[10:02:06] <Eluvatar> Phedre is a she.
[10:02:10] <Biyah> That's easy to explain. Gotta keep up appearances
[10:02:24] <Biyah> Same as Rahl neither confirming nor denying Gov's identity on the forum. How best to keep us guessing?
[10:02:28] <Eluvatar> Yes.
[10:02:30] <Biyah> I have this feeling you know who she is
[10:02:33] <Eluvatar> I do.
[10:02:36] <Biyah> ...
[10:02:38] <Biyah> and?
[10:02:39] <Eluvatar> I've promised to keep it secret.
[10:02:43] <Biyah> Bah
[10:02:48] <Eluvatar> I have a sense of personal integrity.
[10:02:51] <Biyah> You're the third person to tell me that.
[10:02:56] <Eluvatar> Yes we have quite the club.
[10:03:03] <Biyah> It's making me think I must be stupid for missing it
[10:03:06] <Eluvatar> Phedre was.. not happy.
[10:03:21] <Eluvatar> Try asking Gates right when Gates is desperate for WAs
[10:03:29] <Eluvatar> Not that I did that O:-)
[10:03:37] <Biyah> I've heard several possibilities. The latest, which seems to have some proof, is Neenee.
[10:03:49] <Biyah> I've been trying to track down Zorn's Equilism WA
[10:04:15] <Eluvatar> I will neither confirm nor deny any theories.
[10:04:19] <Biyah> I find that one hard to believe, but it's gathering more support
[10:05:12] <Eluvatar> Phedre was quite displeased that so many knew her identity.
[10:05:19] <Biyah> I would imagine so.
[10:05:25] <Eluvatar> There also appears to have been a leak on Loop's part, which is apparently accidental.
[10:05:40] <Biyah> The Carbonari
[10:05:43] <Eluvatar> (A masking issue *shakes head*)
[10:05:47] <Eluvatar> The who what now?
[10:05:53] <Biyah> You know what it is as well as I do.
[10:05:59] <Biyah> An old NS group.
[10:06:08] <Eluvatar> ahh!
[10:06:11] <Biyah> Which I suspect has found itself new fertile ground
[10:06:15] <Eluvatar> Thel got in trouble for that once
[10:06:16] <Biyah> Loop and Thel were the old founders
[10:06:53] <Eluvatar> mm-hmm
[10:06:53] <Biyah> I still had the old board, I found new signups. I was, hmm, quite amazed
[10:06:56] <Biyah> Then I got to thinking about it
[10:07:04] <Eluvatar> Mm-Hmm
[10:07:08] <Eluvatar> That's interesting.
[10:07:33] <Biyah> And then Loop posted that Rahl PM'd him about it. I would assume that was one of Rahl's little secrets that he was looking for satisfaction on.
[10:08:00] <Biyah> Rahl sent Dali a PM too, it has Equilism more then a bit unhappy
[10:08:14] <Biyah> I was CC'd on it. He threatened outright war
[10:08:23] <Biyah> Rahl is pissing me off.
[10:11:17] <Eluvatar> Rahl is a character designed to piss people off.
[10:11:33] <Eluvatar> This whole thing has plot-hatched-in-Neutral-Territory written all over it.
[10:11:41] <Eluvatar> The motivator is obviously "Activity"
[10:11:53] <Eluvatar> meaning that every aspect is oriented in that direction.
[10:12:00] <Eluvatar> What's the easiest way to create "Activity?"
[10:12:04] <Biyah> War.
[10:12:04] <Eluvatar> Make everybody hate you.
[10:12:06] <Eluvatar> Yes.
[10:12:27] <Eluvatar> Gatesville gave TNP no choice but to fight, for example.
[10:12:29] <Biyah> At differing times, both Rahl and Darkseid remind me of Moldavi
[10:12:37] <Eluvatar> I doubt it's Ivan.
[10:12:39] <Biyah> None better at inspiring hate them him
[10:12:40] <Eluvatar> brb food
[10:12:42] <Biyah> Yup
[10:18:44] <Eluvatar> back, I am.
[10:19:39] <Biyah> watch to much Star Wars, you have
[10:19:55] <Eluvatar> Anywho, if I were you and I thought Phedre was somebody in my region, I might just ask them.
[10:20:12] <Biyah> Not yet. I'll see if I can find the WA first.
[10:20:25] <Biyah> IF there is going to be a *cough* Inquisition in Equilism, I'll need all the ducks in a row first
[10:20:38] <Eluvatar> You may want to talk to Naivetry as well.
[10:20:51] * Biyah narrows his eyes
[10:20:54] <Eluvatar> Though I suspect you may have already.
[10:22:49] <Biyah> A moment, something occurs to me.
[10:23:00] <Biyah> We traced TNP nations in TEP, supporting. Did you know about this?
[10:23:05] <Eluvatar> Yes.
[10:23:16] <Biyah> So you know the Delegate, and you like/trust her.
[10:23:19] <Eluvatar> If you read closely our counter-declaration, we did.
[10:23:19] <Biyah> or did
[10:23:28] <Eluvatar> That would be the implication, wouldn't it.
[10:23:42] <Eluvatar> Some things changed when Rahl made his first post on our forums.
[10:24:29] <Eluvatar> "Indeed, the North Pacific even supported them before it was outright threatened by The Empire's Lord Rahl. "
[10:24:46] <Eluvatar> "In fact, TNP nations, including government members, had provided material support to the Empire from the beginning, "
[10:25:07] <Eluvatar> As you might see from me, I like the truth.
[10:25:09] <Biyah> To hell with subtlety
[10:25:17] * Biyah goes to track down Nee
[10:25:22] <Eluvatar> There you go!
[10:25:35] <Eluvatar> Confront the speculation head-on!
[10:25:36] <Eluvatar>
[10:29:54] * Notify: Dalimbar is online (dream.esper.net).
[10:30:50] * Notify: Dalimbar is offline (dream.esper.net).
[10:35:35] <Biyah> This is like pulling teeth.
[10:42:29] <Eluvatar> Oh?
[10:42:31] <Eluvatar> how so?
[10:42:49] <Biyah> [09:39] Neenee: Where is this conversation going to go from your end?
[10:42:49] <Biyah> [09:39] biyah5252: Into my vault.
[10:42:49] <Biyah> [09:40] Neenee: ok.
[10:42:49] <Biyah> [09:40] Neenee: Let's get one thing clear first
[10:42:49] <Biyah> [09:41] Neenee: I was on edge. Any other time, I'd have told you. But I'd already had one leak, and was paranoid about another.
[10:42:51] <Biyah> [09:42] biyah5252: You've got to be fuckin' kidding me. You ARE Phedre?
[10:42:51] <Biyah> [09:42] Neenee: Yea, I'm Phedre. I've even got an AIM name for her. want me to IM you from it?
[10:42:53] <Biyah> [09:42] biyah5252: the address will do.
[10:42:53] <Biyah> [09:42] Neenee: Empress Phedre
[10:42:55] * Biyah sighs
[10:43:18] <Eluvatar> Well then we can speak freely.
[10:43:37] <Biyah> more then you know. Loop speaks fairly free to me, I know you're on the Carbonari
[10:43:46] <Biyah> Mr Sevant, happy to meet you.
[10:44:28] <Eluvatar> You are Mr Sevant?
[10:44:48] <Biyah> And I have a fair guess that you're Nechuin
[10:45:00] <Eluvatar> Yes, yes I am. I'd prefer you kept that quiet.
[10:45:06] <Biyah> No problem.
[10:45:10] <Biyah> We have a problem.
[10:45:13] <Eluvatar> Rahl.
[10:45:18] <Biyah> Nee is connected throughout the NS world
[10:45:23] <Eluvatar> Yes.
[10:45:25] <Biyah> And Zorn is in Equilism
[10:45:29] <Eluvatar> Yes.
[10:45:37] <Biyah> [09:44] biyah5252: So, Zorn is Phedre as well, or Rahl?
[10:45:37] <Biyah> [09:44] Neenee: Zorn isn't involved.
[10:45:37] <Biyah> [09:45] Neenee: This was my risk to take, not his.
[10:45:37] <Biyah> [09:45] biyah5252: I find that reather hard to believe
[10:45:37] <Biyah> [09:45] Neenee: I'm sure you do, it's your nature. But Zorn is not involved, neither Neenee nor Phedre approached him.
Thel says he will field questions about Carbonari.
