[SC - Passed] Commend Duxburian Union

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  1. Gorundu

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    Commend Duxburian Union
    Category: Commendation | Nominee: Duxburian Union
    Proposed by: Kuriko | Onsite Topic

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    I am curious to hear about the votes here, this seems like a solid commendation, why not vote for it?
     
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    As the author I am also curious as to why. I know I'm not a TNPer, but I would like to know why people are against commending Vinny.
     
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    By my count it’s 5-3. Voting For.
     
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  16. Pallaith

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    Going to go ahead and officially add my vote now.

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    My vote is for, but I am curious to the arguments on both sides.
     
  18. Robespierre

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    The proposal itself doesn’t seem to feature any subject material that especially warrants a commendation for the nominee. That being said, I do believe that the nominee in question (Duxburian Union/Vincent Drake) deserves to be commended, however this laundry list of a proposal is not the resolution to do just that as it provides insufficient support in my opinion. Make no mistake, the proposal itself is written will enough. By no means is the author’s quality of work being called into question here, as the language itself is serviceable for the purpose intended. However, when looking to get the nominee commended (which I do think we should do), I think that it’s important for proposals to include clauses that support the motion being presented. In this case, the motion presented before the World Assembly is to commend Duxburian Union/Vincent Drake. That’s why we, the World Assembly, would be passing this resolution in theory. Instead, what World Assembly voters seem to be presented with is a neatly formatted rendition of past accomplishments the target nation possesses.


    I will admit that these accolades are impressive and that the longevity for which the nominee has has this level of an impact is significant. But commendation proposals should contain material that demonstrates excellence and prowess in a nominee’s undertakings (whatever those undertakings may be). For this proposal specifically it seems as if the first half of the resolution is unrelated to the second half of the resolution. By that I mean, for the first four clauses of the proposal it provides a detailed record of past positions the nominee operated in the capacity of; while the next five clauses reference their world as a defender in the Order of the Grey Wardens and elsewhere.

    Particularly, the following two clauses stand as being especially good to me:

    ^^ In both of these clauses we can see clear connectivity between the idea that the nominee ought to be commended and that they ought to be commended for these exceptional deeds. In large part, the rest of this resolution revolves around past position citations and while it’s an extremely detailed record of former service it’s not something that warrants international recognition for being especial. Would that service be especial to a particular region or sphere? Absolutely, it would. But nothing here shines out in a way that flows with what the rest of the proposal is highlighting.

    Once again, that is my opinion and subject to my judgement. Of course, you are free to disagree with me and to say the nominee is deserving is a fair stance to take. I too believe that the nominee is deserving, but this is not the resolution to accomplish that.

    Additionally, I would suggest that the author focus more on the second half of the proposal as opposed to persisting on with the first half of this proposal. The sheer amount of defending that Vincent Drake has done is noteworthy and should be admired. Elaborate on that in a way that’s similar to clause 8, and if must then I suppose the mentioning of high-ranking positions in the Order of the Grey Wardens is acceptable. But don’t list every posting they had in a user-created region and then proceed to say that keeping a region’s population at a stable level while Commissioner of Internal Affairs is something that an international community should recognize.

    This is becoming more a lengthy post then I’d intended, but basically what I’m saying is that there a far greater deeds done by the nominee with much more impressive outcomes then what’s mentioned. To have those types of clauses be included here would make for much more supportive material when trying to get a commendation passed and wouldn’t be overly reliant on a laundry list to establish merit. Restructure the resolution so that gameplay becomes the main course and UCR region loyalty and longevity is subsidiary.

    Lastly, I believe that the target nation of this resolution need be adjusted. The second half mentions Vincent Drake almost exclusively, not Duxburian Union who we’re supposedly supposed to be commending. Sure, I understand the two go hand and hand, but don’t you think the name ‘Vincent Drake’ is more internationally relevant and reputable? By making the nation of Vincent Drake the actual target nation for a commendation resolution you could eliminate the need for clause one and instead open up more space for you to write about their impacts as Vincent Drake. Just establish the central point and be consistent in the means to achieve that point. This proposal is too region-specific and because it focuses so much on Europeian Union I feel as if it excludes other material that’s more commendable internationally.

    That, in detail, is why I’m against
     
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    Per Standing Policy,

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