Criminalising Espionage in Our Partner Regions

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  1. St George

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    I'm debating removing lines 9 and 10 entirely just to lessen the load on the Speaker, but other than that, I think this is ready to go - we should be criminalising commiting espionage in all our treaty partners, regardless of whom the espionage is undertaken for, if they're a citizen here, they shouldn't be doing it against our treaty partners.
     
  2. Crushing Our Enemies

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    I agree that we should generally prohibit spying on our allies. However, I think a bill of this nature also needs to take steps to clarify who our allies are. For instance, you've included The Rejected Realms on that list - presumably because we have a non-aggression pact with them. The intention of that document was not to consider them a treaty ally, and thus they are not on the list of regions that it is a crime to commit treason against. This bill would create an inconsistency there, as it currently stands.

    I think the ability to negotiate multiple levels of diplomatic documents is important. We should be able to have a formal relationship with a region without considering them an ally, and thus criminalizing treason and espionage against their governments. This is a vagueness in our law, and I think we should take steps to clarify it, rather than double down on the vagueness.

    In short, I agree with the spirit of this bill, but the execution needs more consideration.
     
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    I agree with COE, maybe it could be worded with something along the lines of "treaty allies"? Allowing us to define our allies, I would also not include the list tbh, just have a definition and people can upkeep a list elsewhere.
     
  4. Dinoium

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    As a note, this of course as the title of the spoiler says, is a suggested new draft for this resolution. This is what I think should be included/excluded. As a note, I used organization instead of group due to the fact that organization is a more universal term in NationStates and an organization could simply be defined as an alliance or organized grouping such as Antifa, UDL, etc. I also decided to remove the non aggressive pacted regions. Of course, credits to MadJack for proposing the orginial draft I used to base off above. :P
     
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  5. King SillyString

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    The phrasing of "group" instead of "organization" includes sharing with *non-organized* groups and is, therefore, desirable.

    For example, espionage includes leaking information from the Cabinet to the public, or from the Court to a private backroom unofficial server. Your suggestion would exclude both of those.
     
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  6. Dinoium

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    I guess that would make sense. I'll remove that from my suggestive draft.
     
  7. St George

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    I note the suggestions and will be updating the bill in the coming days.
     
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    @St George Will you be moving forward with a new draft?
     
  9. St George

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    Not whilst I lack voting rights. I fully intend to come back to this once I have served my sentence.