The Executive Accountability Act

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  1. Wonderess

    Wonderess A lowly member of the faithful Supporter Citizen

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    The Legal Code is to be amended as follows:

    Section 7.2: Regional Officers
    6. Regional Officers may only be appointed and granted powers as explicitly allowed under this section.
    7. The Serving Delegate may assign any Regional Power, with the exception of Border Control, to any government official or nation created for the purpose of performing government functions.
    8. The Serving Delegate may assign Border Control powers to any of the three members of the Security Council earliest in the Order of Succession.
    9. In the event of a Delegate Emergency, or with the permission of a majority vote of the Regional Assembly, the Serving Delegate may assign Border Control powers to any member of the Security Council.
    10. The WA Delegate will promptly grant all Regional Powers to the Serving Delegate and assign additional powers to other government officials or regional nations as instructed.
    11. The Delegate, Vice Delegate, and Executive Officers are required to present a summary report of the actions of their office to the Regional Assembly on a monthly basis in which the elapsed time is no more than 30 days after their previous report. The inclusion of sensitive information may be omitted at the discretion of the report author.

    I see this legislation as a way to increase communication between those who serve and represent the interests of our region and the citizenry. These reports will allow citizens to engage the Executive and remain educated on the functions and whereabouts of the region. This requirement also increases transparency and may even be a way for ministers to recruit new and active members to their ministries.
     
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    Against. You aren't using the in or the out tags.
     
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    In what manner do you propose the officers present their reports?
     
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  4. Wonderess

    Wonderess A lowly member of the faithful Supporter Citizen

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    I was thinking we would have a dedicated sub-forum where they are posted, and then people can comment in them, ask questions, make comments, etc.
     
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    Trust me, no amount of recruitment will help me recruit to HA...


    In all seriousness though, I don’t personally find this necessary. However, I tend to see more of what is going on than an average citizen (from cabinet chats and so on). So, I’d like to hear from some more citizens on whether they feel it’s necessary.
     
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  6. mcmasterdonia

    mcmasterdonia TNPer Administrator Supporter NPA Citizen

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    Against. 100% unnecessary legislation.

    The Speaker should attempt to do his own job properly - particularly re: daily citizenship checks, before attempting to create unnecessary bureaucratic problems for the executive.
     
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  7. Dinoium

    Dinoium Hard Contributor of Communications NPA Deputy Attorney General Citizen

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    :agree:

    I'm also against such legislation. Also what happens if the Exeuctive Officers fail to do so? What if the Ministry wasn't very active that active that there was nothing to report on?

    I like transparency but if we were to do apply some transparent for Executive Officers, I rather it be the Regional Assembly asking questions to nominated Executive Officers and then voting on them. I think they give enough transparency that they can give in thejr opening statement, closing statements, and others. I would like to point out a part of the Bill of Rights.
    This is, of course, not the full writing of the section in the Bill of Rights but it does guaranteed. I however want to point out the rest of that section:
    I see Article 9 of the Bill of Rights as an Article that while promotes the transparency of Government officials, this is also mainly for the purpose of making sure a Government Official doesn't have too much power and deny any rights of our Residents and Citizens. Another question is since I pointed out that a Bill of Rights Article already promotes transparency and much more, do you think we should expand this idea to other Government Officials?

    Honestly the Speaker, while a Citizen and member of thr August body, shouldn't be proposing legislation themselves while serving as Speaker. I don't see anything illegal with this as far as I know but it doesn't see right. People could definetly object to a vote and if you try to move for a vote, i'm objecting to it.
     
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  8. St George

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    This is a rather silly objection to have. I have no firm opinion on the proposal but the speaker has always been able to propose legislation and if they see a way to improve the region or our laws the fact they are speaker shouldn't be an obstacle to proposing it.
     
  9. Syrixia

    Syrixia The one, the true, the great. Supporter Citizen

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    For. As someone who's worked in the Government- the Cabinet no less- I really don't see how this would be needless bureaucracy. I think it's important that, however short or long the reports may be, Government officials be held accountable and their actions known to the general public. As well, we already do something similar in the form of term opening statements; and I think these reports would be decently easy to type and get out.

    @Wonderess I should note, though, I don't think a new subforum is needed- I think it could very easily happen in the Delegate's Government subforum, in the public subfora for each Ministry.

    Finally, it has to be said- I very much believe the outcry against a citizen of The North Pacific proposing legislation is both disgusting and very disappointing. Just because Wonderess is the Speaker does not mean he has no right to propose legislation. A prohibition against him doing so can be found nowhere in the Constitution.
     
  10. Crushing Our Enemies

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    This is a fallacious argument. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque

    That being said, while I like the idea of ministers being more accountable, and providing more information to the assembly about their ministry's activities (I, for one, have no idea what HA does, for instance, except that it has something to do with "rows"), I'd rather see this implemented voluntarily by the Executive, instead of mandated in the law. If we were to mandate it in the law, I think monthly is probably too often. Maybe just once at the end of the term? If that went to vote, I'd likely abstain. As it stands, I'd vote nay.
     
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    Nothing is stopping a resident of TNP from inquiring about the daily activities of the Executive. I'm sure most Ministers and Delegates would be more than happy to explain their current projects, future plans, and past accomplishments for their Ministries. Additionally, every ministry has objective markers to measure activity (e.g. WA has IFVs, Comms has TNL, TNS, and NBS, Culture has events and programs, HA can be measured in nations being brought to the forum and joining new areas of our community, press releases, and other programs, FA can be measure in diplomatic presence abroad and response to events concerning TNP on a global scale, Defense through number and quality of ops, etc.). If a ministry is not performing up to par, it will show.

    I worry a mandatory report every 30 days will only detract from the executive's true function. If a government official decides they want to post a report every month, that's great. But I believe the executive deserves some autonomy in this department.
     
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  12. Syrixia

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  13. Crushing Our Enemies

    Crushing Our Enemies TNPer Supporter Security Council Attorney General Election Commissioner Citizen

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    Maybe if we just removed the time requirement altogether, replacing it with a "from time to time" sort of language, like the US constitution has concerning the President's state of the union address. That would at least normalize the practice of reporting to the RA, but leave the frequency up to the executive. So some may report more or less frequently than others, and that can be one metric by which they are judged.
     
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    Syrixia The one, the true, the great. Supporter Citizen

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    I'm down with this. It will also help serve as an indicator for whether executive officials or truly dedicated or not.
     
  15. Wonderess

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    Ok, so I am now going to layout why it is I believe this legislation is beneficial. It in no way is to act as some form of punishment on the Executive Branch. I understand Siwale's point that people can easily join a ministry and find out for themselves or inquire through messaging, but not everyone can do everything the region has to offer. I believe a written record and discussion on the happenings of the ministries is excellent as an archivable record of the region's activities all in one place and as a place where the ministers can be talked to publicly by any citizen regardless of whether they are in that respective ministry or not.

    I also think this is an excellent opportunity for the Regional Assembly. I do not want the chamber to die down just because someone has not found a new way to tweak the law. I would very much like to see the efforts and gifted members of the Regional Assembly instead take an interest in how the region is doing at present and taking part in a process that is similar to Prime Minister's questions found in Westminster systems of government is a way to do that (though hopefully we can skip the drama usually found therein.) I want to improve the communication between the Executive and the Regional Assembly because they can mutually benefit from one another. Ministries can layout what they have done for others to come to know and appreciate the hard work they are putting into their offices while also presenting their office publicly for possible recruitment of staff. The Regional Assembly gets increased activity and is able to have a continuing conversation about what is being done in the region which I believe is within its purview and right as the collection of citizens.

    On the question of time, I think monthly is a good amount of time because by the time the term is over, all discussion loses its hold as the Minister may not be there after the general election. I would be open to a system where the Ministers, Delegate, and Vice Delegate are stagnated where their report is due one after the other with a week gap which allows for more consistent lines of discussion but does not burden the Executive offices on a monthly basis. Here is an example of this proposed system:

    Delegate Reports: 1st Monday of January

    Vice Delegate Reports: 2nd Monday of January

    Minister of Culture Reports: 3rd Monday of January

    Minister of Home Affairs Reports: 4th Sunday of January

    Minister of Defense Reports: 1st Sunday of February

    etc.
     
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  16. Dinoium

    Dinoium Hard Contributor of Communications NPA Deputy Attorney General Citizen

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    Even if we were to apply such a law surrounding transparency for the Executive, I would like to say that Minister positions aren't defined by law. They are established by Article 3. Delegate and Vice Delegate:
    I'm not saying these positions will be abolished under the next Delegacy, i'm just saying the Delegate could freely appoint and dismiss Executive Officers in which run an Executive Body (Ministry) within the Executive Branch. There is a section in Article 7 of the Legal Code that does state Ministries that have to exist by law:
    This is, of course, just stating that a Foreign Affairs, Military Affairs, and Internal Interest ministry has to exist by Law. Of course, this does mean other Ministries could be created out of thin air.
    As a final note, The Attorney General and their Deputies are part of the Executive Branch as per Section 4 of Chapter 7. I could not find a specific part of it stating it's part of the Executive under the Chapter it is classified under is the Executive Branch and the opening subsection of it states:
    Will they also be questioned?
     
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    I never said they couldn't, I said they could as they're Citizens and members of the Regional Assembly but I think that the Speaker should be doing their duties than proposing legislative to the body he runs. There's no law saying he can't, i'm just saying in my opinion that he should be doing his duties as Speaker than proposing legislation. My opinions aren't facts, nobody's opinions are facts. Here is specifically what I said:
    I said it's not illegal or any law against that, i'm just saying the Speaker should do their duties than propose legistation to the body he runs. He's the head of the body. The Delegate could propose legistation as he is a Citizen, so is the Speaker.
     
  18. Crushing Our Enemies

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    Dino, I think you're totally off base here. People can do more than one thing, as you well know, judging by your signature. Saying the Speaker should be attending to Speaker duties instead of proposing legislation would be like if you brought an idea to one of the ministries you're a part of, and they told you "Shouldn't you be attending to your NPA duties?" One has nothing to do with the other, and you can do both without sacrificing either.
     
  19. Syrixia

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    To add an anecdote, @Dinoium, I'm primarily an RPer. By your logic, shouldn't I be writing posts instead of posting in the RA?
     
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  20. Wonderess

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    @Dinoium it is this definition being employed in my current draft of the bill so this includes the ministers who are appointed as well as the Delegate and the Vice Delegate which are also included in my legislation. As for Advisors, I am not completely sure. I believe my employment of the term "Executive Officer" encompasses the ministers who are the main subjects that I propose this legislation for.
     
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  21. Brendog

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    Whilst I like the idea behind this legislation, I am against how it is a mandatory monthly basis. Agreeing with COE, it should be based on the Minister's / Delegate's discretion. Some ministries have more to report than others. A report shouldn't be based on routine functions of a ministry but should encompass elements that are a one off.
     
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    Artemis Oracler Speaker Security Council Election Commissioner Citizen

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    Perhaps a mid-term report and a End of Term report maybe instead of monthly? Surely by the mid term and end of term each ministry would have something to report back?
     
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    While I'm against this mostly due to the "mandatory" part, I like Artemis' idea and I would be favourable to a End of Term report as a compromise.

    Though Siwale is right when he says that "Nothing is stopping a resident of TNP from inquiring about the daily activities of the Executive". I don't really believe this piece of legislation is needed, but like I said above, I'd be open to a compromise.
     
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  24. Crushing Our Enemies

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    I don't think citizens should have to submit individual inquiries to know what their government is up to. I think mid-term and end-of-term is a good idea (and is already a compromise from the original bill).
     
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    I do not have a problem with this arrangement, but I would like to further discuss the frequency so that we may come to some informal consensus. I ask you all, what timetable do you think would best serve the region?
     
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    It depends.

    As other has previously you can't assign a "one size fits all" to reporting the activities of the Executive.

    When I was MoFA, I made weekly reports as the workings of the MoFA tend to be more obfuscated than other Ministries. Ghost privately made monthly reports as the Ministry's workings were more publicly visible through the posting of IFVs. If IFVs were not being posted, it would be more noticeable by residents than many of the functions the MoFA does. Similarly, the MoD publicly reports all operations once completed. Their activities is quite visible. If I was the MoD I would be satisfied with a reduced rate of reports to potentially a beginning of term, mid-term and end of term report.
     
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  27. Brendog

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    I would be happy to a mid-term and end of term report, and any non-compulsory reports in the middle.
     
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    Ultimately the ministers/delegate could require more frequency at their discretion, I do think it would be beneficial for a mid-term and end of term report. Helps keep a formal and easy to read record of what was done during a term. Should make it easier for Ministers to use for future runs of office or consideration for future appointments. It will be helpful to pull inspiration for future endeavors.
     
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    Should we then enforce a particular number of days into the term or particular dates as publishing days?
     
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    Artemis Oracler Speaker Security Council Election Commissioner Citizen

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    The 8th week and the 16th week.
     
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