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The North Pacific is one of the oldest and most powerful regions in NationStates. We pride ourselves on our strong democracy, openness, and transparency.

The region is affectionately called TNP. TNP is home to over 4,000 nations, called TNPers, and we are always looking for more to join us. We are glad to see you here and hope you decide become a TNPer yourself!

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The North Pacific is a constitutional democracy. We have a constitution, a bill of rights, and a legal code, which you can read here. Our government has four branches:

The Legislature consists of the Regional Assembly (RA), which votes to enact and amend legislation. Discussions in the RA are moderated by the Speaker, who is elected from among the RA members, and their Deputies. Everyone with a nation in the region can apply to join the RA.

The Executive consists of the Delegate, Vice Delegate, the Cabinet of Ministers, and the Executive Staff. The Delegate and Vice Delegate are elected by the RA, and are accountable to it. The Ministers are appointed by the Delegate, and each one of them manage their own staff. Together, the Executive runs the day-to-day affairs of the government. Broad areas the Executive is responsible for include home affairs, foreign affairs, World Assembly affairs, communications, culture, and our military. Everyone with a nation in the region can apply to join the Executive Staff and work in one of the Ministries.

The Judiciary consists of a single court, which has two Associate Justices and one Chief Justice. All Justices are elected by the RA, and are accountable to it. The court can authoritatively answer questions of law, void actions of other officials that have been brought for review, and decide criminal cases. Interacting with the Judiciary is the Attorney General, also elected by the RA, who serves as the chief prosecutor in criminal trials and as legal counsel to the Executive.

The Security Council is generally considered as a separate branch. It is a body of members that monitor the region for security purposes. They help protect the in-game delegacy, help with delegacy transitions during elections, and also provide a mechanism of response in the case of an illegal in-game delegate. They are accountable to the RA.

You can find a list of current government officials here.

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If the description of the government has enticed you, you should definitely consider contributing in the various branches! As a citizen, you can take part in the Regional Assembly, where you can legislate and scrutinize the government. You can also apply to join the Executive Staff, and get involved in any Ministry that interests you.

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You can participate in our Role Play section, where you can write the story of your nation, interact with your neighbours on The North Pacific map, and join the Democratic Union.

You can drop by our World Assembly section, to discuss resolutions at vote, draft your own resolutions, and determine how our WA Delegate represents us in the World Assembly.

If you want to experience and learn about the military gameplay, one of the most exciting aspects of the game, you can enlist in the North Pacific Army and start serving TNP as a proud soldier!

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Spillover from the Poolside
Topic Started: Oct 6 2017, 03:41 PM (606 Views)
St George
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For longer posts that emerge from the Poolside channel on the TNP discord server.
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(17:04:22)<Severisen>lol I was just thinking about DOS players being like the ghosts of NS...and madjack is like Casper
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To backtrack naziism a step back and then compare it as the example of all socialism and ask if Israili socialism looked exactly the same is a bad argument. That's like Talking about cars and saying a Chrysler isn't a car because it's not exactly like a Ford. We can tell they're both cars.... but because one isn't EXACTLY the same but might tick all the right boxes.... it's not a REAL car. Naziism was one of the socialst/marxist/communists 1000 flavors of socialism that when they fail they're 'not real socialsim'

Socialists like to claim Germany was calitalist because corporations appeared to be left in private hands. This was just smoke and mirrors.

Economists pointed out that under the National Socialist German Workers' Party of Germany; that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only. The German government and not owners exercised the powers of owhership. The government determined what to produce in what quantity, by what means / methods, where to ship the products, and at what price. They also determined what wages would be paid, dividends or income the 'owners' would receive, and eventually that income was reduced mostly to receiving a government pension.
Socialism is collectivism, Naziism is collectivism. De facto control of the means of production was embraced by the NAZI party as the common good comes before the private good, and the individual exists as a means to the ends of the State. With the individual as a tool of the state, so too is his property.

The NAZI party overprinted and inflated money to pay for their socialist plans since 1933. This inflation helped to pay for public works, subsidies, and rearmament among other things. By 1936 they imposed price and wage controls, creating de facto socialism, to cover up the damage they were doing to the nation through their unsustainable socialist policies.
With inflation, price controls, and wage controls come shortages. (This is a common theme in socialist nations.) Germany experienced these shortages and the resulting rationing and economic chaos. When products are disconnected from price and thus not controlled by demand, the shortages can become dangerous with life sustaining or saving items becoming in short supply while foolish novelties are in great supply. It can also lead to huge stockpiles in some aras and nearly nothing in others because it's not dictated by demand.

This is where governments like the NAZI government, turned to control of what is produced, in what quantity, by what means, what methods, where it is distributed.

This was the German take on socialism slightly different than the Russian version.
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Socialism: a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
(in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism. (a.k.a. first phase communism)
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Hitler was a self avowed socialist, he employed innovative government work schemes, gave workers benefits, increased jobs by increasing the state, wage controls because all were to work for the state and all would have a job. Free education, free daycare, Nationalized healthcare, 80% tax, gun control, Radically pro abortion, blaming the 1% (the Jews of Germany). None is right wing, none is libertarian.
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Providing an abortion to an Aryan woman was a capital offence. Not sure how that's 'radically pro-abortion'.
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Oct 6 2017, 04:03 PM
Hitler was a self avowed socialist, he employed innovative government work schemes, gave workers benefits, increased jobs by increasing the state, wage controls because all were to work for the state and all would have a job. Free education, free daycare, Nationalized healthcare, 80% tax, gun control, Radically pro abortion, blaming the 1% (the Jews of Germany). None is right wing, none is libertarian.
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Free education


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free daycare


sounds good

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Nationalized healthcare


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80% tax


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gun control


debatable but ok

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Radically pro abortion


Cool - although, on the offhand, how is this not libertarian? Is this not the /opposite/ of state control? http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Libertarian_Party_Abortion.htm

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blaming the 1% (the Jews of Germany)


Hmm maybe it's the Holocaust people dislike about Nazi Germany. Maybe this is the really bad part. Maybe this is why people call the NSDAP right-wing - because their most visible policy is fundamentally a right-wing policy because it aimed to create a racial hierarchy wherein some races were permitted to own property and some were not (and some were just killed), and hierarchy based on property-rights is a really goddamn bad thing.

"But but but left-wing policy will create a racial hierarchy!"

That's /not what the argument is/. The argument is that the process of finding a racial hierarchy desirable requires that one adopt a right-wing philosophy.


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I'd like to open it up to the floor, though. Of all of these things, what was the worst thing about Nazi Germany? Besides gun control, of course. Don't want all the answers to be the same, right?
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Hereditary Health Court ruling (Hamburg; March 1934) Abortion on the grounds of racial health was not an offense. This ruling referenced the Weimar Supreme Court from 7 years prior, that allowed the procedure for "medical Necessities." This ruling overruled the capital offense penalty for abortions for Aryan women so long as they were fit under this category.

Sterilization laws (June 1935) were amended allowing abortions on eugenic grounds followed by sterilization, dependent (technically) on the woman's consent.
Heinrich Himmler stated that the tragedy of abortion for German women was that afterwards women often could not have children.

However NAZI Germany planned and implemented the use of sterilization, abortion, birth control, and promoting homosexuality in eastern Europe to to carry out eugenic policies against the eastern nations and particularly the Slavic people. The NAZIs aim was keeping Slavic women for slave labor and weakening the reproduction of Slavic people.

Under the NAZI eugenic policies the party targeted persons deemed "life unworthy of life." This included prisoners, dissidents, those with congenital cognitive and physical disabilities including the 'feeble-minded' epileptic, schizophrenic, manic-depressive, cerebral palsy, muscular dystrophy, deaf, blind, homosexuals, 'idle,' insane, and weak among other reasons. They placed them in public and private institutions and performed abortions, sterilizations, and euthanization.
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The claim that Nazism is a genus of socialism is ahistorical and has little basis in fact. Nothing in Nazi ideology, nor actions, supported a socialist ideology.

Neither state interventions in the economy (such as production quotas), nor welfare spending, a socialist make. That the Nazi regime attempted to tightly control the national economy, again, does not make them socialist.

A socialist is one who believes in the democratic, or popular, control. Nazism supported, and was compatible with, private profits (for the regime's self-interest).

Again, though, I believe that this discussion is pointless. Nazism's economic policies are frankly irrelevant when assessing it as an ideology. It's not opposed for its economic prescriptions. It's opposed for the terrible crimes it committed. And what they arise out of - violent racial nationalism - is undoubtedly more closely associated with the right-wing.
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Left and right isn't actually about ideology much of the time but about coalitions and polarization.

Nazism was a radical ideology of heroic nationalism and xenophobia.

Communism is or was a radical ideology of egalitarian internationalism and class struggle.

Liberalism was a radical ideology of political equality and liberation. It more or less took over the world, so it doesn't count as radical anymore. We're milquetoast centrists now, I suppose.
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